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Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Feb 23 04:20:13 2015, in response to Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by gbs on Sun Feb 22 23:09:25 2015. Maybe it shows that the bus goes back to the depot after finishing its run or something. |
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Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 23 11:22:20 2015, in response to Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by gbs on Sun Feb 22 23:09:25 2015. I don't know, but if we are talking about the current weekday schedule, which places a bus at 108th St at 7:00 terminating at Main Street at 7:08, then 7:01 seems to be an early time to be passing 126th St, which appears significantly closer to Main Street. The weekend schedules would make even less sense. If you revisit the bus stop, can you let us know the context, i.e. the preceding and following arrival times? |
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Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 23 11:27:37 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 23 11:22:20 2015. Never mind, just realize the original poster probably meant p.m. times, which would make sense. In that case, it would likely be a completion of a run. After 7p.m., departures from Flushing change frequencies for the lower. |
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Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Mon Feb 23 17:18:47 2015, in response to Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by gbs on Sun Feb 22 23:09:25 2015. The most I can figure is that the trips with the footnote drop off on Roosevelt (facing east) and pull in, while the trips without the note make their turnaround loop to the layover area on Roosevelt (facing west). |
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Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Tue Feb 24 02:20:00 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Mon Feb 23 11:27:37 2015. I have question about the Q 48, ahouldn't the MTA look to extend this route more to Eastern Queens? Maybe combining with the Q 26 and extending to Rosedale LIRR via F Lewis Bl and 225 St just for starters. It is the most underutilized route in my opinion and when they do eventually start an Airtrain to Mets Station in 2025 (j/k), this route would be useless. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 24 03:08:47 2015, in response to Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Feb 24 02:20:00 2015. I can't see there being any significant transfer traffic between the Q48 and any other bus route in Flushing. Permanently merging the Q48 with another route would simply reduce the flexibility in scheduling and service levels that separate routes permit. (For this same line of reasoning, consider whether routes Q25, Q34, and Q65 ought continue to be through-routes, or if each should be broken at Roosevelt Avenue.)In any event, I think Q48 will continue to serve a purpose in providing service in the 108th Street corridor. Now, it may well be that service ought to be provided by merging routes Q48 and Q23, so that there is a continuous route along the full length of 108th Street, and to eliminate turns and a rather slow portion of the Q23 along the narrow streets of Corona, but that portion of Q48 between Roosevelt Avenue and Ditmars Blvd. will remain important regardless of what happens (or does not happen) with respect to any AirTrain proposal. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 24 15:42:55 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 24 03:08:47 2015. Merged lines have their benefits too. . .1) Less deadheading (deadhead time) (even if a depot is mid-route or if one part of the line requires higher frequencies, you can just have short-turning) 2) Less need for three-legged transfers by passengers (i.e. J train riders would need to go to Flushing rather than Jamaica for their buses to certain parts of College Point without the Q25/34/65 as they are), 3) At night when traffic is not so much a factor, longer routes are much more optimal. Less layovers means the buses and drivers are in service more (Yes, a Night Bus system would be the best, but NYC is far away from that idea). |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 24 23:23:30 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Feb 24 15:42:55 2015. My guiding principle on this issue is that bus routes should be as long as they ought to be, and no longer.That is, so long as there is enough through passenger traffic, a bus route should cover the full length of the journeys of those passengers (or at least a significant proportion of those passengers), and not compel a transfer. And if there are two routes for which there is substantial transfer activity, then merging those two routes ought to be considered. But if nearly everyone gets off a bus route at some mid-route point, and a whole new crowd boards, then consideration ought to be given to breaking the route at that point, and allow each of the two new routes to benefit from better on-time performance (given that each route will now have some recovery time before departing from that new terminal point), greater regularity from isolating delays in one route, and more flexibility in scheduling headways for each of the two new routes. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Wed Feb 25 00:56:51 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 24 23:23:30 2015. I agree with you, but unfortunately MTA have several routes where one route has two different passenger flows at their midpoint. First one that comes in mind is the B 49. In regards to the B 49 Foster Av begins and ends two diffrent passneger flows and I agree should be split into two routes to provide better service, on - time performance and flexibility. (I suggested back when the B44 Select was being created, a B 48 extension to replace to the B 49 along Bedford and Rogers, and reoute of the current B 49 to be extended along Ocean Av, and the current B 48 route to Fulton St.)But I can see that theory also being a bad case in regards to the B 6 anohter route that has a change of passenger flow at Nostrand/Flatbush Avs). Using your priciples, spliting the route there would be disaster, but if partial service started there compare to Ave J/CI Av may actually be more beneficial (similar to alternating B 103s ending at Brooklyn College Station) |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Wed Feb 25 01:00:34 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by BusMgr on Tue Feb 24 03:08:47 2015. The reason I suggested the Q 26 is that is useless part - time service that, if combined can provide new passenger service from SE Queens to Flushing and LGA as a one seat ride. I agree the Q 23 is better candidate to provide 108 St service, but who knows when a MTA NYCT/MTA Bus combination would ever be allowed within the next 10 years. (It would be a great start as split depot/division idea like how the Q 32 was. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by Q46 LTD Glen Oaks on Wed Feb 25 18:26:07 2015, in response to Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Feb 24 02:20:00 2015. A combined Q26/48 run would be about 50-60 mins which is fine but I would say the last couple of runs shouldn't go east of Flushing. As for a southeast extension past Hollis Court, it would be longer run than the Q27 and wouldn't have the ridership or service levels for LTD service. Reliability would be shot, and F Lewis would have way too much service north of Hillside. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by sloth on Wed Feb 25 19:25:43 2015, in response to Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by B49 Limited on Tue Feb 24 02:20:00 2015. I think a 26/31 combo would be more beneficial. Specifically the Flushing end of the 26 and the Bayside end of the 31. The 27 needs a relief valve along 46th / 48th Ave. And the 31 is more or less duplicated by the 30 and the 76 anyway. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 26 13:09:32 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by B49 Limited on Wed Feb 25 00:56:51 2015. A lot of such routes could probably be benefit from being split but with some overlap. Not that you would have three route designations but you would effectively have three routes. A route from one far terminal to just past the midpoint, and a route from the other far terminal to the other side of the midpoint, and a route that covers the whole distance.Of course, the logistics and planning are more intense but there are times when this is probably the best system for both the agency and the passengers. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 26 13:18:50 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by sloth on Wed Feb 25 19:25:43 2015. The 31 is very well needed along Utopia Pkwy, especially near SJU.Sending the 31 to Flushing instead would help only the 27. Bayside doesn't really need it because of the 13 and 28. Maybe a Q26 branch to QCC would help, or a reconfiguration of the Q27? |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Feb 26 20:30:44 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 26 13:18:50 2015. I haven't lived there in a few years but it seemed to me most of the ridership on the 31 north of the LIE was to Bayside and Francis Lewis high schools.The 27 is definitely in need of a reconfiguration. The limited should use the slightly superior 26 route to Flushing and make its first eastbound stop at Parsons / 46th. And a few short turn trips to Bell and Northern, kind of like the Horace Harding trips but without getting close to QCC, would also help. |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Feb 27 00:17:49 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by New Flyer #857 on Thu Feb 26 13:09:32 2015. One example of this working out pretty well are the buses along Richmond Avenue. The S59 runs the full length of the corridor, while the S44 and S79 cover the northern and southern portions, respectively. Delays get isolated to different portions of the route (if there's a problem north of the mall, the S79 covers those south of there, and vice versa with the S44), and on top of that, riders along Richmond Avenue have one-seat access to more destinations.Of course, there's times when the buses could be scheduled to be spread out more evenly. (Southbound in the evening, S44 & S59 buses tend to be scheduled within minutes of each other, with 25-30 minute gaps between them). |
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Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri Feb 27 11:34:54 2015, in response to Re: Q48 Re: Q48 Guide-a-Ride question, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Fri Feb 27 00:17:49 2015. Something like that, yes.But the S44 and S79 have other fish to fry than Richmond Ave. I'm suggesting, on my imaginary line, that two routes begin at each outer terminal. One would be the route that goes the whole length of the line, the other would end at a suitable point past the midpoint. None of the shorter lines would be extended. The reason why the S44 and S59 get scheduled as such is because the S44 has other obligations and other schedules to fit (e.g. the ferry). But if you have a line where three routes are all committed exclusively to the same corridor, without going past the outer terminals in either direction, then you can have a little system and set the schedule exactly as desired. |
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