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Posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014 New York State Route 878 - Wikipedia articleNews article... Calling for the immediate overhaul of the Nassau Expressway, County Legislator Howard Kopel (R-Lawrence) and State Assemblyman Phillip Goldfeder (D-Howard Beach) have scheduled a rally at Five Towns Mini Golf & Batting Range, at 570 Rockaway Turnpike in Lawrence, on Sunday at 10 a.m. to press their point. More than 3,000 people, according to Kopel, have attached their names to a letter sent to Gov. Andrew Cuomo concerning the status of construction work on the roadway — otherwise known as State Route 878 — in two areas where it is known by different names: Rockaway Boulevard, in Queens, and Rockaway Turnpike, in Nassau County. The entire expressway runs from the Belt Parkway and Conduit Avenue, in Ozone Park, Queens, to the Atlantic Beach Bridge, in Lawrence. Kopel and Goldfeder want the expressway to be completed, with its northern section, near the Belt Parkway and the Van Wyck Expressway in Queens, connected to its southern portion, which runs from the Atlantic Beach Bridge to Rockaway Boulevard. The legislators said that connection would allow traffic — 40,000 vehicles per day, according to nycroads.com — to bypass Rockaway Boulevard, easing congestion and ideally creating a safer emergency evacuation route. “I hope we can garner some real action,” Kopel said. “Politicians respond to votes, and this [rally] is right before an election. I would like to see some real, honest commitment to it.” The New York State Department of Transportation is scheduled to spend $6 million of the $61 million in the state capital budget that has been set aside for an overhaul of the expressway. While the smaller project, which will include road repair and drainage upgrades along the section that runs from Lawrence to the Atlantic Beach Bridge, is slated to begin later this month, according to DOT officials, the second phase of the overhaul — which would use the remaining $55 million — isn’t expected to get under way until 2025. “In my district, we have had two full evacuations in three years, both on short notice,” Goldfeder said. “These roadways can’t handle rush hour traffic, let alone a massive evacuation. If it’s a matter of funding, let’s discuss it during budget time. We continue to kick the can down the road, and it’s getting more expensive.” Marty Rosen has owned Five Towns Mini Golf & Batting Range since 1978, and in that time he has seen the area’s population grow substantially. Rosen, who said he was part of a group that got the traffic lights on Rockaway Turnpike synchronized years ago, explained that the volume of traffic on the expressway that funnels onto Rockaway Turnpike has increased to the point where that traffic-signal pattern is now outdated. “At the Five Towns Shopping Center, there are two [traffic] lights that allow [motorists] to enter and exit the center, while at the same time traffic is building on the roadway,” Rosen said. “This causes traffic jams, and puts everyone on the [roadway], as well as businesses, at a disadvantage.” Lawrence Mayor Martin Oliner has for several years also sought solutions to alleviate traffic congestion on Rockaway Turnpike. Oliner said he thought the rally would accomplish “very little,” but added that anything that brings attention to the issue is a step in the right direction. “I don’t think anything will get done until there is a transportation bill and we make sure we don’t get shafted,” he said. “The rally is a good idea. Everyone should focus on this project. But we can’t have half measures.” Cedarhurst resident Monica Rzewski said she hoped the rally and the accompanying letter campaign would push the overhaul project forward. “Yeah, it’s a nightmare on that road,” she said. “Every day I come home from work and it’s backed up for 20 minutes between Kas Carpet [on Rockaway Boulevard] and Costco [on Rockaway Turnpike]. It’s terrifying that it’s our hurricane evacuation route.” liherald.com New York State Route 878 - Wikipedia article |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 00:32:34 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. Wow, a new expressway. That would be nice. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 00:45:52 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 00:32:34 2014. lol u h8 tr41nz caught ya ☺ jk |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 00:47:19 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. SR 878? No more ambition to make it part of I-78 anymore?Oh BTW: not specific to buses? OTChat. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 16 01:29:24 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. Would this include building the westbound roadway which was never built? |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Oct 16 02:15:39 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 00:47:19 2014. you could repost it over there. |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Oct 16 10:50:59 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 16 01:29:24 2014. Variations of NY878 and I-78/I-878 have been proposed for years. Do the current NY878 sections carry 'NY878' route signs? |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Thu Oct 16 11:15:34 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 00:45:52 2014. HOW ABOUT WRITING IN ENGLISH FOR THOSE OF US WHO DON'T TEXT AND KNOW THAT SHORTHAND ! ! ! ! !An old timer and proud of it ! |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 11:15:58 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 16 00:47:19 2014. I-78 in Queens was dead an buried decades ago. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Thu Oct 16 11:16:34 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Dan on Thu Oct 16 10:50:59 2014. Yes. Read the Wikipedia article. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 16 13:48:54 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Hart Bus on Thu Oct 16 11:15:34 2014. LOL! "u h8 tr41nz" = You hate trains. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 16 15:29:06 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by N6 Limited on Thu Oct 16 01:29:24 2014. Also a good iDea. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 16:09:08 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. The Nassau Expressway was originally proposed as a a limited access Federal interstate highway. This proposal is an upgrading of existing local roads to make it a NYS highway. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 16 16:18:37 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 16:09:08 2014. Not the portion planned to be completed. I-78 would have branched off onto the southern Clearview Expressway at around Farmers Boulevard, which is where the current western portion ends. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:11:20 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 16 16:18:37 2014. Thanks for clearing it up. I didn't realize the Nassau Expressway ends and the remainder would turn into a state highway. |
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Posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:35:42 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. Interstate highway I-878 was first proposed by Robert Moses in 1947. It was to go to Lido Beach and connect with the Loop Parkway. Local opposition ended interstate highway plans in 1967, and it eventually became NYS state road 878. |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu Oct 16 22:26:39 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Dan on Thu Oct 16 10:50:59 2014. TO clarify only between Belt Pkwy/Conduit entrances to Rockaway Blvd merge and then resumes in 5 towns between Rockaway Tpke to the Bridge.They should have link the roads as an unofficial tour route, really makes no sense that the route is "incomplete" around the airport |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:38:23 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:35:42 2014. First, "I-878" wasn't proposed in 1947 because the Interstate Highway system wasn't established until 1956.Second, any Long Beach Expressway would not have been numbered I-878 because it would have been a spur and not a loop, and thus would have used an odd number. To my knowledge, no interstate number was planned. |
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Posted by northshore on Fri Oct 17 16:14:35 2014, in response to Pols want NYS DOT to complete full "Nassau Expressway" or State Route 878, posted by Gold_12th on Wed Oct 15 20:57:36 2014. The Seaford-Oyster Bay Expressway has a similar history to the Nassau Expressway. It was to be part of I-287 and connected to Connecticut via the proposed Bayville-Rye Bridge.Fierce local opposition killed the bridge and the SOB is now just a NYS highway. |
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Posted by Hart Bus on Sat Oct 18 13:17:59 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Fri Oct 17 16:14:35 2014. Also the southern end of the SOB expressway was supposed to lead to a bridge that would go to Ocean Parkway/Jones Beach. If you ever get off at the Merrick Road east exit, you'll see the main road is blocked by barricades and beyond them the road way extends for about a block or two. Trivial fact. NYS owns several acres beyond the end of the concrete.I do love heading east on Merrick and then go north on the SOB. You first go south for about a block and then loop under an overpass to go north. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 18 21:42:24 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Hart Bus on Sat Oct 18 13:17:59 2014. No. It would have merged with the Wantagh Parkway. There would not have been another bridge. The ROW owned by the state that you mentioned and clearly visible on aerial photos. Even though a full street grid has been cut through, there are no houses on the ROW but there are everywhere else. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 14:35:51 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:11:20 2014. You're usually wrong. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 14:35:56 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Oct 16 16:18:37 2014. pwn3d |
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northshore wrong again -- Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 14:44:46 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:35:42 2014. Why are you wrong so often? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 14:45:01 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:38:23 2014. PWN3D!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 14:46:31 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Oct 18 21:42:24 2014. Thanks for providing the truth. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 19 19:23:46 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Thu Oct 16 18:35:42 2014. Interstate highway I-878 was first proposed by Robert Moses in 1947. It was to go to Lido Beach and connect with the Loop ParkwaySeriously?????????? Do you really know your American history??????? Eisenhower signed the Interstate Highway Act, not Truman. And this Expressway was planned all the way into Manhattan and to the Holland Tunnel. FAIL |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 19 19:34:16 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 19 19:23:46 2014. The earlier stuff would have been state routes or parkways, too early for interstates for sure. But the "Lower Manhattan Expressway" was pushed in the early 60's and Moses and company were looking for it to be considered part of I-78. Heavy community opposition killed it, and its fraternal twin the "Mid Manhattan Expressway" Midtown Tunnel to Lincoln Tunnel. |
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Posted by northshore on Sun Oct 19 19:58:35 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 19 19:23:46 2014. Many these expressways were planned years before the interstate highway program was enacted. The BQE and LIE among others were already in the construction phase before the legislation. Check the facts and the dates. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Oct 19 20:29:57 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Sun Oct 19 19:58:35 2014. YOU need to CHECK yourself! |
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Posted by pragmatist on Sun Oct 19 21:14:39 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Sun Oct 19 19:58:35 2014. Going back for federal funds to rebuild or extend and "re designating" a highway part of the interstate system was very common in that era..... |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 19 23:49:15 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Sun Oct 19 19:58:35 2014. You are wrong.You posted Interstate highway I-878 was first proposed by Robert Moses in 1947 Robert Moses planned and built expressways, not interstate highways in 1947. He didn't build roads to Interstate standards. (10 feet wide lanes, 12 feet shoulders, minimum vertical clearance, etc.). Like Brian said, you are always wrong. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 00:35:47 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Sun Oct 19 23:49:15 2014. The BQE is now Interstate 278, but built years earlier. The Queens-Midtown Expressway is now Interstate 495, but built years earlier. The Cross-Bronx Expressway is now Interstate 95, but built years earlier. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 00:56:43 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 00:35:47 2014. All of these highways were built in stages and completed years after they received the appropriate Interstate Highway number. Once again you are wrong. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 01:06:57 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 00:56:43 2014. The interstate designations were given after completion. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 01:09:52 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 01:06:57 2014. The Queens-Midtown Tunnel was planned in the 1930's and completed 1940. Provision was made for the Queens Expressway and the Midtown Manhattan Expressway when built, as evidenced by it's entry areas. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 08:16:04 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 01:06:57 2014. The interstate designations were given after completion.Brooklyn-Queens Expressway Planned in 1947, desiginated I278 in 1958, completed in 1960 Long Island Expressway Planned in 1954, given I495 in 1958 (shared with NYS Route 24 for some time), completed in 1972 (through Riverhead) Cross Bronx Expressway and extension Original expressway planned in 1945, assigned I95 in 1957, Completed in 1972 with the realignment of the Bruckner Interchange (originally completed in 1963). Your incorrect statements continue to amaze me. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 10:18:54 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 08:16:04 2014. As you point out, all these roads were planned before the Federal interstate highway program began.Thank you for proving me correct. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 13:30:07 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 10:18:54 2014. Nope, you are wrong. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 20 13:34:28 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Oct 17 09:38:23 2014. Second, any Long Beach Expressway would not have been numbered I-878 because it would have been a spur and not a loop, and thus would have used an odd number. To my knowledge, no interstate number was planned.According to nycroads.com, the City portion was briefly signed I-878 in 1989, and was listed as I-878 in the 1998 FHWA Route Log. In fact, it's still listed as I-878 in the 2013 FHWA Route Log. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 14:35:14 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Mon Oct 20 13:30:07 2014. I am right. |
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Posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 20 14:42:01 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 14:35:14 2014. You are both right. It's all semantics. |
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Posted by northshore on Mon Oct 20 14:47:29 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 20 14:42:01 2014. Thank you. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Mon Oct 20 23:26:01 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Oct 20 13:34:28 2014. I know about that. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 21 14:15:44 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by italianstallion on Mon Oct 20 14:42:01 2014. No, North Shore is wrong. He claims that the Interstate numbers were assigned after completion, not during construction as I correctly stated with the links I provided. |
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Posted by northshore on Tue Oct 21 15:31:06 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Tue Oct 21 14:15:44 2014. No you miss my point. The roads were planned before the interstate program began, but the interstate numbers were assigned during construction, when the interstate program began. |
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Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Oct 22 14:16:00 2014, in response to Re: Pols want NYS DOT to complete full ''Nassau Expressway'' or State Route 878, posted by northshore on Tue Oct 21 15:31:06 2014. No you were wrong in your pervious post - - I didn't miss your incorrect point because now you just said the correct statement. |
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