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Posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jul 26 12:22:30 2014 news video: .mp4 video formatThe city has seven Select Bus Service lines, which promise speedier rides with tweaks to how to pay fares and hop on. So what's the next big thing for bus riders? It's called Bus Rapid Transit. And supporters say it's just like riding the train. "It is really like the reliability and comfort and dignity of a train experience for the cost of implementing bus service,” said Elena Conte of the Pratt Center for Community Development. But you won't find it here in New York, at least not yet. True BRT service, like what you see in cities like Bogota, Colombia, requires roads with at least six lanes, bus-only spaces and a center median for stations. There, riders can pay fares before boarding a bus at platform level. The former mayor of Bogota says it's worked in his city, where the TransMilenio opened in 2000. "People who used to take three hours now take 40 minutes in their transport. Basically, TransMilenio works exactly as a subway,” said Enrique Peñalosa, the former mayor of Bogota. As a member of the MTA's new Transportation Reinvention Commission, he's now touting the idea as one that could serve the city well. "It's not the traditional, very slow buses where you go almost faster walking. This is a totally different system,” said Peñalosa. And where in the city might you see what transit advocates like to call world class Bus Rapid Transit? It could be Queens, where city Department of Transportation officials say they're considering the Woodhaven and Cross Bay Boulevard corridor for BRT. That route could conceivably link the Rockaways to LaGuardia Airport, and to subway lines along the way. "We could connect a community like the Rockaways that has narrower roads to some real bona fide world class transit service if the Bus Rapid Transit that's being contemplated extends out there,” said Conte. As for Select Bus Service, officials say it's been a hit. "To be able to say that along these SBS routes, we've seen a decrease in travel times of 20 percent while seeing an increase in ridership of about 10 percent says a lot about the success of Select Bus Service,” said MTA spokesman Kevin Ortiz. http://www.ny1.com/content/news/transit/212766/mta-explores--bus-rapid-transit--to-reduce-commutes/ |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 27 01:08:02 2014, in response to MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jul 26 12:22:30 2014. TransMilenio, dignified? HAH! |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Sun Jul 27 11:10:11 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by NIMBYkiller on Sun Jul 27 01:08:02 2014. Yep, some of MTA consultants thinks that... dreaming |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by vfrt on Sun Jul 27 13:36:06 2014, in response to MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jul 26 12:22:30 2014. The original S79SBS plan was for a monstrosity like this along Hylan Blvd which absolutely no elected on SI supported. |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 28 09:26:38 2014, in response to MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by Gold_12th on Sat Jul 26 12:22:30 2014. MTA keeps lying and distorting. The decrease of 20 percent in travel times is for someone who gets on at the first stop and gets off at the last stop. It does not include the extra time to walk to a bus stop which in some cases are one mile apart. The extra time walking to and from the bus often eats up all your time travel savings.They also do not mention that this supposed increased service comes at the expense of reduced headways on the complementary local route. On the B44 local bus service south of Avenue U has been cut by 75 percent since the implementation of SBS. The slower trips for those passengers have been ignored. SBS has saved the average rider making a 2.3 mile trip only six minutes. |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by petabread2 on Mon Jul 28 11:07:24 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 28 09:26:38 2014. But that isn't lying. You are saying it yourself, it's a fact from start to finish. Haven't heard anyone complain they had a long walk. That decrease in service for the local south of Ave U is justified by the lack of people who ride the service south of Ave U. Even the SBS has less people south of Ave U. Running buses every 7 mins would just render 1 pax per 2 buses. Waste of money and resources. |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 29 20:34:06 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by petabread2 on Mon Jul 28 11:07:24 2014. Yes it is lying.To say we have seen a decrease in travel times of 20 percent implies the average passenger saves 20 percent. He is not saying the bus travels from end to end 20 percent quicker which would be true. As far as if the reduced service south of Avenue U is justified, that is another issue. Yes, not only is the reduced service on the local justified, but the SBS service south of Avenue U is also a waste with an average of six passengers per bus. That is because hoards of riders did not switch from the Brighton Line to the 2 and 5 as the MTA predicted. What is wrong with the reduced local service is that the MTA never told the community that existing local service would be cut so severely forcing longer walks to bus stops. People aren't complaining about the long walks to SBS because they switched from te Limited to the local since the time it takes for the additional walk isn't worth the SBS time savings for many. It is only worth it if your trip is like 5 miles and the extra walk is only at one end. If you have an extra five minute walk at each end, you would need to save at least 10 minutes on the SBS just to break even, not to mention the inconvenience of walking in hot, cold, windy, rainy or snowy weather. So a five minute longer local bus ride may be more comfortable. The MTA is only considering SBS riders who save time and ignoring local and former Limited riders who now have longer trips because of longer waits. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 29 20:43:56 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 29 20:34:06 2014. I agree. |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 29 22:15:35 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 28 09:26:38 2014. Actually, a six minute savings on a two mile trip is pretty good IMO. The problem isn't that the savings is only a relatively small amount of time, the problem is that they're ignoring those whose trips are now longer. (That, and the small amount of people who are missing buses that they would've otherwise caught because they were fumbling for a MetroCard, but that probably only takes a minute off the average savings. It's probably fair to assume that people barely missing the bus make up less than 1/6 of the total passengers). |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:44:07 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 29 20:43:56 2014. I strongly disagree. |
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Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 29 23:45:24 2014, in response to Re: MTA Explores (true) 'Bus Rapid Transit' to Reduce Commutes... (Q52/Q53 routes), posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 29 20:34:06 2014. Yes it is lying.Not it's not. To say we have seen a decrease in travel times of 20 percent implies the average passenger saves 20 percent.No it doesn't imply that. He is not saying the bus travels from end to end 20 percent quicker which would be true.Wrong. That is EXACTLY what it is saying! |
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