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Posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012 My mind has been hitting history and old school..especially regarding the days of the Grumman 870 buses and the double decker buses that ran on Madison Avenue. I'm trying to remember what depots had the Grummans and what were used to replace them when they left? I remember that UP had some and wound up with 1300's and 1400's RTS buses. What other depots had the Grummans? I know UP,ENY(i think),HUD,54th,Walnut,QV,CAS. Any help would be appreciated. And when they were pulled, they were pulled the same day at all the depots? Even the ones that were running? |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 13 20:55:11 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. Castleton had Grummans? |
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Posted by r17-6599 on Wed Jun 13 21:04:15 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. Kingsbridge, Coliseum, Amsterdam for sure. Maybe even 54th St.jrc |
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Posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 21:36:33 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Jun 13 20:55:11 2012. I remember they did. My dad and i once took the last Express X10 on a Saturday (2pm) back from Castleton Avenue and Jewett Av. It was a Grumman |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. Here's one from Fresh Pond possibly?: And Ulmer Park:   Fifty Fourth Street:  And LaGuardia Depot :-) : 
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Posted by mr mabstoa on Wed Jun 13 22:01:12 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. 126 St also had them. I rode them on the M22.When they were recalled I also remember riding WAMTA buses on the M22 also. |
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Posted by CJ on Wed Jun 13 22:43:23 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. God I miss these buses when they were all over the place around here. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 22:52:01 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. Most but not all depots had Grummans. The one depot that comes to mind that had no Grummans was Gleason, Fifth Ave. back then.Fresh Pond originals were 322-342, PA70-PA77, 526-533. The 500's were later transferred out elsewhere. When FP became a Grumman/ non-RTS depot, they recieved PA6-PA23,PA78-PA84, PA131-PA137 and 209-229 from various depots. PA6-PA23 from ENY?, PA78-PA84 FLU and/or 126 St., PA131-PA137 OA units from 100 St. The 200's from ENY? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 22:53:30 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 22:52:01 2012. Flatbush never had Grummans either. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 22:57:13 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 22:52:01 2012. I forgot to add, the day they were finally taken out of service, I was signing papers for a car in Bay Ridge, just blocks from the ARMY Terminal yard where they were sent. What a sight to see hundreds of buses in convoys throughout that morning. |
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Posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 23:10:58 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 22:53:30 2012. I knew there was another. Funny thing though, a driver who lived in my neighborhood back then drove the B41. I once asked him how he liked the Grummans, I didn't know at that time FLA had none. Think he told me that they were OK. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 13 23:55:08 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. Most TA/OA depots rec'd Grumman 870s, but a few didn't. At OA, OHS and WF didn't get Grumman 870s. After WF closed, Walnut also didn't get Grummans. To my delight, my home depot, KB had a bunch (I think it was approx 81) of Grumman 870s.At TA, I recall XT, FI and FLA as those depots that didn't receive any Grumman 870s. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 00:00:46 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 22:52:01 2012. I'm pretty sure those OA buses (PA131-PA137) came from AMS. 100st was one of the OA depots that didn't get Grumman 870s (The other was WF). I also recall that the '77 Grumman Flxibles (9000-9309) were transferred to those depots that didn't get Grumman 870s. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jun 14 07:24:50 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 21:36:33 2012. I don't know what's more crazier, Grummans on an express line, or the X10 finishing up at 2 in the afternoon on a weekend. |
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Posted by sloth on Thu Jun 14 09:05:20 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. the Q-31 had grummans for awhile, but i don't think the flushing lines ran them. the Q-26 and Q-27 went straight from the old 7100 series to the RTS's-- 1200s and 1500s. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jun 14 09:44:46 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by B53RICH on Wed Jun 13 23:10:58 2012. Maybe he didn't want to ruin your day by admitting that Flatbush had none! :-) |
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Posted by caine515 on Thu Jun 14 11:00:30 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. Great shots!!!! I remember the first time i rode them aroud 82-83 when they were assigned to the B3. Here is where i remember them being:Brooklyn: 5th Av Ulmer Park ENY Fresh Pond Do know that Green,Triboro and Queens Transit had them. Anyone know why Command never recieved them? p.s. any more shots?? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jun 14 11:06:56 2012, in response to Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Wed Jun 13 20:47:43 2012. You may be able to ride one August 12th ... on a Transit Museum trip. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 15:49:17 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Thu Jun 14 11:00:30 2012. In Brooklyn 5th Ave, Crosstown and Flatbush definitely didn't get any Grumman 870s. |
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Posted by TCO on Thu Jun 14 16:03:19 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 00:00:46 2012. Indeed WayneJay, Old 100th Street Depot used to have high 9100's to low 9200's Flxibles buses until newer RTS 3000's came in late 1983. |
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Posted by mci guy on Thu Jun 14 16:45:09 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 00:00:46 2012. grumman had nothing to do with 77 flxibles. rohr owned them then. |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Thu Jun 14 18:15:39 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by sloth on Thu Jun 14 09:05:20 2012. ALL Queens Depots had Grummans.Flushing had some 300s along with two-digit numbers (I forgot) Jamaica had 200s Queens Village had 300s and 500s. Also, bus #199 (ex-100?) ran out of QV. When the Grummans left, I know Queens Village AND Jamaica got a bunch of RTS and GMC New Looks (NON-WMATA) |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 14 18:27:47 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. First pic:Correct. B57 @ Flushing/Broadway. Terminating at that time at High St. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 14 18:33:09 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Wed Jun 13 23:55:08 2012. I'm not sure if Crosstown was open during the Grumman era.I do remember their last night of service, the day David Gunn declared that when they pulled in for the night, they weren't coming back out the next day. I was living along the B24/29 route (maybe it was re-designated by then) around Meeker/Kingsland Avenues. I saw one on the route and it was a FP assigned bus. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 18:52:52 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 14 18:33:09 2012. You're probably correct as I don't remember exactly when XT closed either. |
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Posted by Brooklyn67 on Thu Jun 14 19:04:20 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 18:52:52 2012. Crosstown ceased serving as an in-service depot November or December, 1981, I believe. It had to be somewhere relatively close to that time because I recall my father having to change depots in 1982 around the time of a family event (or I wouldn't have remembered it at all). |
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Posted by B53RICH on Thu Jun 14 19:09:10 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jun 14 09:44:46 2012. He was a nice guy, always had a smile. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 19:13:08 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by The TransitMan on Thu Jun 14 18:15:39 2012. ALL Queens Depots had Grummans.Agreed Flushing had some 300s along with two-digit numbers (I forgot) Jamaica had 200s Queens Village had 300s and 500s. The TA/OA Grumman 870s were sort of in 3 groups. The first (and largest) group were (TA) 201-452, (OA) 601-810. The second group were the "PA" units which were PA1-PA175 and the last 200 buses which were delivered after the A-frame retrofit were the lift-equipped buses. Those units were (TA) 453-552 amd (OA) 811-910. Originally, (IIRC) all depots with Grumman 870s rec'd buses from each group. Also, bus #199 (ex-100?) ran out of QV. Yes. I heard NYCTA was allowed to keep the demo bus to replace a '77 Flxible that was destroyed by fire. Then of course the TA got the 13 buses that were originally destined for Ave B, E Bway (but they folded) which were #553-565. This is why NYCTA had 851 Grumman 870s. 837-bus order, plus 1 demo and 13 Ave B E. Bway buses. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 19:15:37 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Brooklyn67 on Thu Jun 14 19:04:20 2012. Thanks a bunch. IIRC, didn't Crosstown become a paint shop afterward? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 14 19:27:04 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by WayneJay on Thu Jun 14 19:15:37 2012. Yes it did.In recent times, it became a vendor location for warranty work on New Flyers. It is still used by The Dept. of Subways Car Equipment Division as the base for the emergency trucks. They'll respond to trains laying down and other unusual incidents. There is somewhat of a war going on if the property will remain a TA facility. The Hipsters were promised a park some time ago and the trucks were supposed to be moved to a site near the WillyB, but for some reason this is being held up, so they remain in Greenpoint for now. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Thu Jun 14 20:57:59 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by r17-6599 on Wed Jun 13 21:04:15 2012. 54th St had them. After they were pulled, the bone yard was raided for ANYTHING with wheels! (windows were optional) 54th St went from having shiney buses to a ragtag fleet of old Flxibles and a handful of old GMC fishbowls. Ahhhhh, those were the days!Knuckle buster shifters, 8 and 40 AC, and no power steering! STILL LOL@DA GOOD OLD DAYS |
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Posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Thu Jun 14 21:58:50 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. At least the CTC Grummans lasted until the early to mid 90's.(actually finished at GBL) |
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Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Jun 14 22:07:42 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Q11-Woodhaven on Thu Jun 14 21:58:50 2012. CTC? Don't you mean TCC? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:19:08 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu Jun 14 18:27:47 2012. Thanks Bill! |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:29:56 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Thu Jun 14 11:00:30 2012. p.s. any more shots??Orchard Beach, The Bronx:  207th Street & 10th Avenue Manhattan:  Jewett Ave & Victory Blvd Staten Island:  Parsons Blvd Jamaica (I Believe):  Parsons Blvd Jamaica:  Far Rockaway (I Believe): 
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Posted by caine515 on Fri Jun 15 07:23:54 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:29:56 2012. Watchouge and Jewett to be exact for route S112 which eventually became S62. That was the days in Staten Island when the S6(now the S66) was the only bus running on Victory Blvd all times-every other bus was a rush hour run and terminated at Victory-jewett Middays. |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 15 07:52:39 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:29:56 2012. Goot alove those first generation Luminator headsigns! :)Great pics. |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Jun 15 10:25:20 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 15 07:52:39 2012. I remember that Coliseum had the higher-numbered Grummans. |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jun 15 10:33:55 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Jun 15 10:25:20 2012. I remember that Coliseum had the higher-numbered Grummans.Agreed. In each group COL had the higest numbers which would be 810 for the first group, PA175 for the "PA" buses and 910 for the lift-equipped buses. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 13:18:43 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jun 15 07:52:39 2012. Thanks! |
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Posted by mci guy on Fri Jun 15 16:16:05 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by caine515 on Fri Jun 15 07:23:54 2012. slightly before my arrival here. s6 used to service willowbrook before it was closed after geraldo rivera exposed it believe in the 70s. |
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Posted by hound on Fri Jun 15 20:26:37 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jun 14 11:06:56 2012. Do you think they'd let me drive one? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri Jun 15 22:39:57 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by hound on Fri Jun 15 20:26:37 2012. Nope, you work for that other company now :-) |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Jun 15 23:54:59 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by hound on Fri Jun 15 20:26:37 2012. Weren't you around when they had them and the Metros? I couldn't stand driving either one, especially the Grummans, because their steering was so light you could turn the wheel with your pinky finger and could never really feel the road, especially dangerous in the rain. The Metros had "heavier" steering, but still not to my liking. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 16 01:03:21 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. How long did the PBL 870s last? I know that those at Jamaica Buses lasted about 20 years, but what about everyone else? |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 16 01:09:26 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Jun 16 01:03:21 2012. I'm not sure. Maybe somebody else might know. |
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Posted by Bounad Hanhic on Sat Jun 16 01:48:33 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jun 16 01:09:26 2012. I think until 1993 or 1994 when the TMC RTS buses came. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Sat Jun 16 07:34:37 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Wed Jun 13 21:37:42 2012. first pic was actually Broadway/Flushing..that super market chain been gone from around north Brooklyn for years...use to be my favorite market place to shop.. |
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Posted by Pelham Exp on Sat Jun 16 10:26:14 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Fri Jun 15 01:29:56 2012. Coliseum had the 700's I remember riding that series on the Bx12, Bx40, Bx22, Bx23 etc |
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Posted by caine515 on Sat Jun 16 12:48:12 2012, in response to Re: Grumman 870 history in NYC, posted by Pelham Exp on Sat Jun 16 10:26:14 2012. Ulmer Park had the 200's,300's and some PA numbers from what i remember. |
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