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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Nov 29 12:41:42 2011, in response to MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Nov 29 01:25:21 2011. How many of the bus service cuts involved routes with overlapping subway service? I'm not surprised that some bus passengers now take the train if available, but many of the bus cuts impacted areas with no neraby subway service as a backup. |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 29 13:30:24 2011, in response to MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Nov 29 01:25:21 2011. So this is where we're going:-Bus cuts all the way down to routes that are making money only, without having frequencies exceed 30 minutes -Increase in subway frequencies to system capacity, using money gained back from bus cuts -Anyone not fortunate to live near a subway or a bus route making money must walk, buy a car, or find a friend who owns one |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 13:37:42 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Nov 29 12:41:42 2011. but many of the bus cuts impacted areas with no neraby subway service as a backup. Such as? And with no other buses within a reasonable walking distance? And how many people did those cuts affect? |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Nov 29 15:11:18 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 13:37:42 2011. The article isn't talking about nearby bus service - it gives the impression that passengers whose routes were cut are now riding the subway. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 16:11:28 2011, in response to MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Gold_12TH on Tue Nov 29 01:25:21 2011. Bus ridership hasn't dropped; there's just an increase in farebeating which isn't accounted for too much on the buses. So the buses are carrying around what should be called "deadweight" of passengers. This is where SBS is coming in - fare control and faster service. |
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Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Nov 29 18:58:51 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Nov 29 15:11:18 2011. Makes sense even for routes that do not duplicate the subway. If you suddenly need to drive to a better bus route, well you're already in the car, may as well go to a subway station.I'd be curious to see if anyone's noticed a drop in parking availability near subway stations... |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 19:15:16 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Tue Nov 29 18:58:51 2011. Personally due to bus service I am no longer satisfied with, I recently started to take my car to a station along the line I work. I leave for work early enough in the morning where parking is not an issue.Of course as an employee I don't count! For my money, Jay Walder descimated our bus system. 8 minute headways became 10 minutes; 10 minutes became 12; 12 became 15. All because loading guidelines were adjusted. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Nov 29 20:02:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 16:11:28 2011. Where does the article mention anything about farebeating?A rider is counted as a rider no matter how (or if) they pay. The drivers just press F5 to count farebeaters. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Tue Nov 29 20:09:26 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Nov 29 20:02:27 2011. F5...aka the button used on the ess fo fo route and any other bus route that passes through the stankin island norf sho'...hey checkmate by B/O friend on that route presses that button from the turn into the mall all the way out...lmfao. When they probe the box it must show at least 200 beats lol...no money no problem take a shit, err...I mean seat lol. Hell, he's not gonna get stressed out or make himself made look like a fool over $2.25, he just want the moms and her six kids to get on so he can drive them to the next fare beat stop, a.k.a. bus stop. Smh lol. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:24:49 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Nov 29 20:09:26 2011. wow..who else do you not like? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:16:28 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 19:15:16 2011. Jay Walder descimated our bus system. 8 minute headways became 10 minutes; 10 minutes became 12; 12 became 15. All because loading guidelines were adjusted. What bus loading guidelines were adjusted? I'm not aware that any were. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:26:05 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 16:11:28 2011. Bus ridership hasn't dropped So you're claiming that even though there were all kinds of bus service cuts, bus ridership hasn't dropped? How in the world would that make any sense? Furthermore, you're claiming that NYCT doesn't know how to do ride checks to do independent counts to verify what the fare box is reporting and account for fare beaters even if the fare box isn't? |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 21:27:25 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:16:28 2011. More standees per bus. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:27:25 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Nov 29 15:11:18 2011. Huh? You've lost me. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:32:59 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Nov 29 21:27:25 2011. Are you sure? |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 23:01:53 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:26:05 2011. Well, yeah... I am claiming what I posted. Being an operator myself, I see exactly what goes on, and how many people are being accounted for. Those checkers aren't out there 24/7, so unless you have constant counting, on each bus, everyday, then it's hard to have an accurate number. Not all of us use the F5 function which accounts for farebeaters (though I do). |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 23:05:16 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Nov 29 20:02:27 2011. Yes, but as I noted in another post in this thread to user TS, that not everyone is always accounted for. There'd have to be folks counting on every bus, every minute of the day to get an accurate count; not just sometimes where I've seen myself. I may've seen checkers on the routes I operate maybe once a month perhaps? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:48:30 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by LRG5784 on Tue Nov 29 20:09:26 2011. This is how I'd rank the North Shore routes in terms of farebeating (most to least)S46 S44 S40 S48 To me, I really could care less. As long as the bus gets to where it needs to go, I don't care if anybody else paid. (I have a Student MetroCard, so I don't even have to pay) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:49:21 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:32:59 2011. It was something like 80% of the seats had to be full off-peak, and it was raised to 100%. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:51:02 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 29 21:27:25 2011. He's saying the drops were most profound in routes near the subway, rather than bus routes that just parallelled other bus routes. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 00:57:23 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:49:21 2011. Something like? Are you really sure? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 00:59:20 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:51:02 2011. Who? The article? The article doesn't say that at all. And I think you've completely gotten away from the question I originally asked you.Such as? And with no other buses within a reasonable walking distance? And how many people did those cuts affect? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 01:08:27 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 23:01:53 2011. Well, yeah... I am claiming what I posted. Oh, well then I'm claiming that you're completely wrong, based on logic and NYCT's own reports and also don't forget the historical trends. Being an operator myself, I see exactly what goes on, and how many people are being accounted for. I mean no disrespect, but no, as an operator, who is only operating one bus at a time and doesn't know what is going on on the other buses and on all the other routes, you don't know "exactly what is going on". Which is why there is an Operations Planning department and why the bus operators don't do the planning! Those checkers aren't out there 24/7, so unless you have constant counting, on each bus, everyday, then it's hard to have an accurate number. Incorrect. The checkers do not have to be out there 24/7 doing constant counting on each bus in order to get an accurate picture of what is going on. They need only to collect enough data for a statistically significant sample. Not all of us use the F5 function which accounts for farebeaters (though I do). That's why there are traffic checkers. |
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Posted by ntrainride on Wed Nov 30 03:03:08 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by New Flyer #857 on Tue Nov 29 13:30:24 2011. "-Anyone not fortunate to live near a subway or a bus route making money must walk, buy a car, or find a friend who owns one."This seems to be a not-so-undesirable state of affairs to achieve. For one, this is densly populated New York City. Adjacent, parallel bus line options are going to be located much closer than what most American bus riders experience. There's a limit to how much service can be provided though, even here. Location to transit lines always has been key to what kind of rent you will pay, or how quiet a neighborhood you want to live in. Zf you want to live down at the end of Flatbush Avenue say, and work in downtown Brooklyn, it's going to limit you to how many different ways you can get to work than if you lived near or north of Prospect Park, for example. Personally, I prefer to live on transit routes, bus or rail. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Nov 30 05:48:06 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 00:48:30 2011. Yeah but you're only limited to three rides a day though, weekdays only.The S46 is, without a question, fare beat central. My friend uses that line to get to her school in the Teleport and she's told me crazy stories about what happens every morning on that route. And when you have passengers that don't pay (they'll even get on the bus and just sit down, as if the operator doesn't even exist), they are usually the most disruptive. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Wed Nov 30 09:35:28 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Edwards! on Tue Nov 29 20:24:49 2011. Um, I'm not LGA Driver, okay? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 10:59:45 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 00:59:20 2011. Well, to answer that question, the Q76, Q79, S54, S76 and B4 reductions all put some people beyond 1/2 mile of a bus route. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 11:01:55 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Nov 30 05:48:06 2011. Generally, that's all I need. I have legs you know. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 12:35:01 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 10:59:45 2011. And do you think those cuts that you mentioned effected very many people? |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 21:18:09 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 12:35:01 2011. Well, overall, the cuts affected something like 15% of bus riders. True, some of the routes carried a handful of riders, but the point is that if the bus is no longer convenient to use, ridership will drop.Yes, a lot of the routes didn't justify their existance ridership-wise and were rightfully eliminated, but the point is that we're discussing the fact that bus ridership dropped. If somebody had a whole bus to themselves before the reductions and the bus was eliminated and they no longer ride buses, the point is that ridership still dropped by 1 person (in that instance). It wasn't justified to use resources transporting that one person but the point is one person is no longer riding the buses. And you can look up the exact ridership numbers for the routes on this spreadsheet, copied directly from the MTA's stats (which unfortunately are no longer up, but the numbers are exactly the same): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aha-LfXMlWNBdGplTGJUVm9oZ25DT3JLRWRjbzZkT2c# The Q76 Saturday elimination affected over 2,000 riders. The Q79 elimination affected 650 riders on weekdays and 160 riders on Saturdays. The S54 elimination affected 1,100 weekend riders. As there was no proximate alternative for any of those routes, most of the ridership just disappated. Add there were eliminations where there was still service in the neighborhood, but it was more inconvenient, which caused ridership to drop. Between the above mentioned eliminations with no proximate alternative (except for riders with certain specific origins and destinations) and the ones where the alternatives were more inconvenient, that explains the drop in ridership. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 00:05:36 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Wed Nov 30 21:18:09 2011. Yes, a lot of the routes didn't justify their existance ridership-wise and were rightfully eliminated, but the point is that we're discussing the fact that bus ridership dropped. If somebody had a whole bus to themselves before the reductions and the bus was eliminated and they no longer ride buses, the point is that ridership still dropped by 1 person (in that instance). It wasn't justified to use resources transporting that one person but the point is one person is no longer riding the buses. But that point is irrelevant when it is just one person on the bus. That's my point. The Q76 Saturday elimination affected over 2,000 riders. The Q79 elimination affected 650 riders on weekdays and 160 riders on Saturdays. The S54 elimination affected 1,100 weekend riders. As there was no proximate alternative for any of those routes, most of the ridership just disappated. Those numbers seem pretty small. So it's not like this is a big deal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 00:07:08 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Tue Nov 29 23:01:53 2011. bumpRe: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway (249787) |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 01:08:12 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 00:05:36 2011. "But that point is irrelevant when it is just one person on the bus. That's my point."And my point is that these numbers add up. A couple of people on each bus decide not to use transit anymore, and your ridership will take a slight dip. "Those numbers seem pretty small. So it's not like this is a big deal." Well, I'm sure they played a role. I remember the MTA said that ridership decreased something like 0.5% as a result of the service reductions, which isn't a whole lot when you look at the big picture, but the issue is that ridership overall is still decreasing even on routes that saw little to no reductions, and the MTA is content to allow that to happen. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 06:47:41 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 01:08:12 2011. slight dip. No, that's MY point. A slight dip. Small. Insignificant. Well, I'm sure they played a role. I remember the MTA said that ridership decreased something like 0.5% as a result of the service reductions, which isn't a whole lot when you look at the big picture, but the issue is that ridership overall is still decreasing even on routes that saw little to no reductions, and the MTA is content to allow that to happen. You're getting away from my original point again. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 10:43:12 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 06:47:41 2011. And my point is that the ridership decrease may be small and relatively insignificant, but the overall trend is that ridership is decreasing and the MTA is doing nothing about it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 13:11:02 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 10:43:12 2011. but the overall trend is that ridership is decreasing and the MTA is doing nothing about it. They ARE doing something about it! They are cutting service where it makes sense to in order to reflect the lower demand and save costs! |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 18:31:57 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Dec 1 13:11:02 2011. But shouldn't they want ridership to increase? I guarantee you that if they had an option of cutting $100,000 in service or seeing $100,000 in new revenue, they'd choose the former. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Fri Dec 2 07:16:19 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 01:08:27 2011. OK, you win. You know all the inside operations.Enjoy your weekend. |
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Posted by TERRapin station on Fri Dec 2 07:50:35 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Fri Dec 2 07:16:19 2011. No I don't. It's just logic, education, and reading public documents. |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Fri Dec 2 08:35:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by TERRapin station on Fri Dec 2 07:50:35 2011. OK, and I'm telling you what the real deal is. There's nothing wrong with educating yourself with documents, but until you actually see and know exactly whats going on in reality, then you can make judgement. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Dec 2 09:36:57 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Fri Dec 2 08:35:15 2011. What he ISNT Telling you is he got a Buddy who works in Ops Planning..Ops Did i say that??? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 3 10:49:44 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Nov 30 01:08:27 2011. "Incorrect. The checkers do not have to be out there 24/7 doing constant counting on each bus in order to get an accurate picture of what is going on. They need only to collect enough data for a statistically significant sample."For someone who claims to know everything, here is one example where you are wrong. Yes, they only need a statistically significant sample. But do you think they get that sample every day on each route? They rotate among the routes and revisit the same route between every 6 months and every three years. Do you really think that is enough information to understand what goes on daily on every route? The counts are only done to get general idea of ridership levels to make schedules. It is no substitute for knowing what happens on a daily basis. That's why the bus operators and dispatchers are in a better position to understand what really goes on. Traffic checking only tells part of the story which is why OP needs to listen more to the operating personnel. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sat Dec 3 14:12:04 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 3 10:49:44 2011. Exactly. Even riders have a better idea of ridership levels, patterns, etc. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Sat Dec 3 16:52:15 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 3 10:49:44 2011. Plus, you said they don't even count people coming in through the back door (does this include people who pay at the front but then go in through the back?). |
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Posted by AcelaExpress2005 on Sun Dec 4 02:01:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Dec 3 10:49:44 2011. My point exactly, BrooklynBus.Thank you. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 5 00:06:59 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Thu Dec 1 18:31:57 2011. But shouldn't they want ridership to increase? Not necessarily. They shouldn't want ridership to increase in ways that will introduce inefficiencies. They should want ridership to increase in the most efficient ways. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Dec 5 00:40:34 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 5 00:06:59 2011. See my example. If they could attract additional riders (and revenue) to their service by improving it (so that the additional revenue generated outweighs the cost) or reduce costs by making the service worse and driving away ridership, they'd choose the latter. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 5 06:30:26 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Dec 5 00:40:34 2011. No they wouldn't. The issue is that you probably don't fully understand what it would take to "attract additional riders (and revenue) to their service by improving it (so that the additional revenue generated outweighs the cost)". |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Mon Dec 5 10:39:24 2011, in response to Re: MTA service cuts force bus passengers to take the subway, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 5 06:30:26 2011. I suggested an S83 limited counterpart to the S53. The S83 buses would just be S53 buses that were changed into S83 buses, which would give riders at major stops more frequent service,and would give everybody less crowded riders. And yet they rejected it despite the fact that it would generate additional revenue at no cost. |
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