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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 12 11:31:36 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Jul 12 11:15:51 2011. No car lock out on the subway unless its a BIO HAZARD contaminates..and even then,they RARELY do it. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 12:39:24 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:01:27 2011. He's correct, and, worst of all, the planners are proud of this. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 12:40:25 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 10:40:32 2011. Local service along the service roads is really unwarranted. The biggest problem is that they're not contiguous; they also see significant overflow traffic. Except for Slosson Ave (a 1/4 mile walk to Manor Rd) and Wooley Ave, all the roads that cross the highway have bus routes on them, and only Manor Rd and Clove don't have routes to the Ferry; Clove's route goes to Brooklyn instead. Since service along the highway's service roads would require riders to walk to the nearest highway crosstreet already, it's duplicative. There's also parallel service within ~1/3 of a mile in most areas where the service roads are contiguous. Willowbrook is the only neighborhood where the service road might support such service; the 61 runs along Harold St to Bradley Ave and the 62/93 along Victory Blvd. Harold is 1/2 mile south of the expressway, and Victory is 1/4 mile north; both routes operate to the Ferry. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Jul 12 13:00:48 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jul 9 18:55:47 2011. "I proposed it to be combined with the B2. You say the B31"This would harm riders along the b2 and b31. These services are reliable routes that serve their intended purpose quickly getting people to and from the subway. making these lines longer will harm them . |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 13:44:48 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 12:40:25 2011. It isn't duplicative if it intersects those routes perpendicularly. A service road route wouldn't duplicate the Richmond Avenue routes, for example. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 14:04:53 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Jul 12 11:15:51 2011. Brighton R68,Great input, thanks ... - Shuttle on Rs' last 4 stops ... going to require staff, i.e. Transit ain't going to want to ... how are you going to turn the shuttles at 59th, plus make room for the regular Rs ... result is just going to put more folks on the platform at 59th - Car lockout ... going to require someone to un-lock it, because the conductor can only control left or right half of his train. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 14:06:38 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 12:39:24 2011. Well then go to a MTA Board meeting & complain, maybe someone will get fired ? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 14:07:45 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 13:44:48 2011. It's just as duplicative as there being a bus route on every avenue in Brooklyn. The big difference is that those Brooklyn routes are usually SRO all day, while this proposed route of yours may not even see that at peak times due to the reasons previously mentioned. Better to increase the service on existing routes than to establish new ones that are parallel to or cross others that provide similar service. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 14:24:18 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 14:04:53 2011. The R shuttle runs to 36th Street, there's no crossover at 59th, except between the express and the local; it runs express from 59th to 36th northbound.However, I believe he's talking about running a bus shuttle to the subway station. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 14:37:22 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 14:07:45 2011. I still don't see how it is dupplicative. If it were extended to Arlington, it would provide a connection from that area to Victory Blvd, serving an underserved area (meaning the bus lines are further than usual) in the process. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 16:47:20 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 14:37:22 2011. Arlington is far from underserved with the 40, 46, and 48 all there. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 20:12:11 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 14:06:38 2011. I attended the Summer Transit Career Academy in 1990, when it was open to all NYC high school students. I learned what I'm not supposed to learn: that the MTA Brass and the NYCT Brass radically defended these fools, and that they marginalize and fire people who actually wish to make a difference. I decided to become an advocate. The Committee for Better Transit piqued my interest, because, to me, they used common sense for solutions to problems that plagued, and continue to plague, the tri-state area's transit system.I have gone to MTA Committee meetings and PCAC Committee meetings on-and-off since E. Virgil Conway was MTA Chairman. (He ran the MTA like Saddam Hussein ran the former Iraqi regime. The difference was that Conway let you live.) Can't go as much as I used to, because I work in Queens from 8:30 AM-4:30 AM Monday to Friday. |
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Posted by checkmatechamp13 on Tue Jul 12 21:09:04 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 16:47:20 2011. But it is hard to get to Brooklyn from Arlington. You have to take those routes and then sit on the S53 while it makes local stops through half of Staten Island. A limited would help, but the S93 is still faster.Arlington would serve as a ridership generator, but the main purpose would be to serve the SIE service road area. Like I said, a bus in one direction is better than no bus. For example, an elderly person living on the south side of the SIE going to the North Shore can take the S93 to the S44, and then take the S46 to the S93 to return. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 22:05:14 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Jul 12 13:00:48 2011. Try getting to Coney Island Av you would have to walk. If you wish to travel to New Utrecht, Bay Ridge, or VA Hospital, you would have to take a total of three buses.No, it will not harm the route. It will enhance it by giving the riding public necessary options to increase their mobility throughout southern Brooklyn. |
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Posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 22:12:19 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 20:12:11 2011. 8:30 AM-4:30 PM Monday to Friday. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:39:24 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:01:27 2011. I wish my view wasn't correct but it is. However, they are not the only ones to blame. You may even consider them victims. The real villains are the budget people who give Planning their marching orders. So even if there is someone in Planning who wants to do good, he is not permitted to. Instead of trying to improve routes by making them viable like I did back in 1978, all they do is plot to eliminate routes. Look at this thread |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:55:00 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:57:54 2011. I said the Bay Ridge RR could be used as BRT, although I'd rather see light rail. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:56:06 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:57:54 2011. The B82 is on Bay Parkway, Kings Highway and Flatlands Avenue. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 22:56:22 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:57:54 2011. First I don't see a B82 on the Brooklyn Bus map ? Are you asking us or telling us? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 12 22:57:57 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:56:06 2011. This guy, in his line of work, doesn't know how to read a bus map? And you're trying to discuss buses with him? |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Jul 12 23:01:47 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:32:21 2011. I don't get what you mean by a liitle track before Jamaica? What type of vehicle would you put on the NY-Ct connecting RxR? Airtrain vehicle or LIRR? |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:26:37 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Jul 12 14:24:18 2011. Rs from 95th to 36th ...Going to have to deal with N & D ... I can't see it happening. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:29:36 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by dkupf on Tue Jul 12 20:12:11 2011. Good for you !I have been a tail waging the dog since I've been here. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:40:01 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:39:24 2011. Well, at least Joe Smith would listen when he was here.I always respected that man. Sometimes he acted like a suit & said or did things that pissed you off, but I understood the position he was in & that sometimes it was just part of his job (carrying out orders). But most of the time he was willing to hear you out, i.e. you could have an exchange of views with him. He cared about the staff, i.e. their moral ... so Newsletters, Roadeos, Crew Rooms, were important to him. I attended last August's Transit Museum train/bus trip. I sent him a group shot of the drivers, all smiling with the caption ... these guys didn't like this pick & probably won't do it again ... he liked it. I also included a shot of the "Crew Room", i.e. beach chairs & a cooler. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:44:58 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Nyctransitman on Tue Jul 12 23:01:47 2011. - "Little track work" You would need a switch on the AirTrain just before Jamaica so it could go West vs. East to the station. This way every AirTrain wouldn't have to go to Jamaica first.- "NY-Ct Connecting" the Bayridge line becomes the NY-CT Connecting RxR North of Fresh Pond - "AirTrain or LIRR" they are both the same guage, so you can call it what ever you want. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:47:36 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:56:06 2011. Need a newer map :-(Thanks for the input. |
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Posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:50:53 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Tue Jul 12 22:55:00 2011. I didn't see you specifically say that ... I agree it would make a great cross Brooklyn route.The problem is that it will cost a lot of money along the ROW. It seems that the current thinking is to just add a different colored bus onto an existing route. That's not real improvement, it's just tinkering :-( |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 10:37:03 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:26:37 2011. It's not a problem late nights, when everything runs local on 4th Ave, and this is the current service pattern. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 14 12:47:02 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:47:36 2011. OMG! Why didn't you simply use the world wide web, aka the internet, to look up this bus route??????? They have the Brooklyn Bus Map, the map NOTES, and all the bus route schedule ON THE INTERNET. |
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Posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 14 13:27:29 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 14 12:47:02 2011. drama queen |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 13:40:15 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Gold_12th on Thu Jul 14 13:27:29 2011. One part of that statement is correct. |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Thu Jul 14 14:34:54 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 13:40:15 2011. Which part? Lol |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jul 14 20:35:14 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 10:37:03 2011. But that's when service operates every 20 minutes, not every 4-6 minutes. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 21:12:52 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:26:37 2011. everything runs local on 4th ave late nights..so riders dont have much choice. |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jul 14 21:19:29 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jul 14 21:12:52 2011. ...because at night the express tracks are used for relaying the shuttles. |
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Posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 21:39:29 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by dkupf on Thu Jul 14 21:19:29 2011. No, because at night, they can provide more frequent service with the same trains. |
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Posted by dkupf on Thu Jul 14 22:50:25 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by hank eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 21:39:29 2011. That's true too. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 14 23:10:36 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:40:01 2011. I started e-mail communication with Joe Smith during his last month. I send him maybe 10 or 20 emails and ha answered all of them honestly the same day. In contrast, none of the other executives have ever answered me except for Howard Roberts. I have written to Irick several times but have not asked him anything requiring a response. Operations Planning deletes all my email without reading them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 15 00:55:24 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Thu Jul 14 23:10:36 2011. You should mention that more often. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jul 15 05:35:16 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 13:40:15 2011. lol |
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Posted by Mr RT on Fri Jul 15 08:15:28 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Jul 15 05:35:16 2011. It made me smile too ! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 15 09:13:59 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 14 12:47:02 2011. bump |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 15 10:01:47 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 15 00:55:24 2011. I'm going to keep mentioning it until they start replying. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 15 10:22:41 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 15 10:01:47 2011. That's great, but like I said, you should mention it more often. I haven't seen you mention it here very often at all. Though to be perfectly honest with you, I don't think talking about it here is going to get them to reply to you. But that's not why I want you to mention it more often here. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 15 11:12:52 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Jul 11 20:53:32 2011. Now their goal is purely to reduce service...How could their primary mission be to break even if all bus routes perhaps one or two operate at a loss?Probably because the goal, like most public agencies these days, is to reduce pension liabilities. If you strengthen a weak service, you have to pay an operator to provide the service. If you can make a nearby route "more efficient," you can cram the weak route's passengers onto it and save money both now and in the future. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jul 15 12:43:30 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri Jul 15 11:12:52 2011. Yes you save money by driving more people away from the system. There is elasticity which the MTA refuses to believe. People have choices. Car Service, walking, not making the trip at all. Look how car services have grown.Efficiency shouldn't be their only goal. The most efficient bus services are operated in South America where all of the buses are crowded all of the times. You can wait hours just to find one you can cram onto. Some people just give up and never make it to work. Is that what the MTA is trying to do here? They must balance efficiency with effectiveness of the system. They exist to provide a service and should be encouraging the use of mass transit not discouraging it. |
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Posted by Nyctransitman on Fri Jul 15 12:57:22 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Thu Jul 14 09:44:58 2011. Having the AIRTRAIN or the LIRR utilizing the abandoned Rockaway spur via Aqueduct with a new connecting link between JFK Airport and the Aqueduct Station would be a faster route to Midtown, Manhattan or to LaGuardia Airport (with the additional connection to the NY-CT Connecting RxR) from JFK Airport than your route. |
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Posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Jul 16 11:53:49 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Thu Jul 14 13:40:15 2011. I KNOW! I KNOW!STILL LOL@QUEEN BREE |
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Posted by LRG5784 on Sun Jul 17 01:20:46 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by BigBusDriver on Sat Jul 16 11:53:49 2011. +1 |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Jul 17 08:09:46 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 14 12:47:02 2011. bump |
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