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Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service

Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Jul 12 11:15:51 2011, in response to Re: What is wrong with Select Bus Service, posted by Mr RT on Tue Jul 12 07:57:54 2011.

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"I get the feeling you are saying that improved service on these three, "... save at least 15 minutes ...", could make a case for eliminating the Express service there (X27 & X28). That is a big stretch to think that 15 minutes saved going East to catch a subway is going to be able to replace a one seat ride to Manhattan, but it bears further thought since Express service is a big money looser."

He is correct .

The issue in Bay ridge is that riders have to take a unreliable bus ride to a slow local train "r" that does not come as often as riders need during rush hour. If they choose to transfer at 59th street for the N express the train has no seats.

IF you factor in unreliable headways you are talking about major headaches . People just rather pay the extra price for the express bus which we all know is a major money looser for the mta.

A more radical solution would be to offer
1) subway shuttles to the local "r" station stop. during rush hour only.
2) Run N trains out of CI with the last car locked out until 59th street station to allow r riders an empty train car with a seat for the transfer of Bay Ridge R riders onto the N. A barrier could be constructed at 59th street station to allow this service.

As a former two fare zone rider, the two biggest issues are
1) Reliable quick bus to and from the subway. I would walk 3 blocks to the B2 vs the B3 . the B2 ran at a longer but reliable headway. You could wait 30 min plus the B3 to have the first 2 come in packed and then many local stops.
2) A chance for a seat on the train because you have a long ride, especially in the morning. Currently there is little chance of a seat on the n at 59th street.
If you want to move some of these express bus riders off the costly express buses back onto the subway you need to find a way to make these things happen.

It is the same chicken or egg situation that exists on the west end line

In bay ridge ridership is too loo to support more train service but the reason is the slow train service and hassle and not low potential rush hour ridership. Bay ridge riders use the train as a commuter tool and not lifeline transportation as many bay ridge residents own cars. These changes would need to be peak rush hour only.

Along the west end line many riders along cropsy ave take express buses rather than the hassle of bus to train to slow local west end service. Their is enough ridership for west end express service (stillwell, bay 50th, 25th ave, bay parkway, 62nd street, 9th ave then 4th ave express) Once again the solution is

Former M express service on the west end is not a goods comparison as the M did not go where people wanted to go and riders needed to change trains and not get a seat on the second train thus low ridership.

This would also increase housing development and prices in the area helping mta real estate transfer tax monies

1) short turn subway shuttles run along cropsy ave to bay parkway train station (or maybe turning at 75th street and bay parkway) This give a more reliable quicker bus experience.
2) West end express service into manhattan running one additional train per hour during rush hour and diverting some current d train service onto the express track.





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