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Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 01:15:50 2011 except the bidding of these signs ended :(1960s Jamaica Depot signs 1970s Coliseum Depot signs 1970s 54th, Pier 57, 100 St depot signs 1970s Fresh Pond Depot 1970s Kingsbridge Depot signs 1960s Bronx sign 1960s Manhattan sign early 1970s Flatbush depot sign 1960s Bronx signs Fifth Avenue Coach signs 1970s Ulmar Park signs 1970s Staten Island signs |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by 15 BEECHHURST on Fri Feb 25 07:33:25 2011, in response to Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 01:15:50 2011. Some of these listings were mine (charleshfiori), some were put up by a very good friend. If you see them again, please feel free to contact the sellers either just to discuss signs or to discuss the price on the individual sign. I do believe some will be re-posted, so stay tuned. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 25 09:07:53 2011, in response to Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 01:15:50 2011. Wow! Thanks for the trip back in time. I have fond memories of the MABSTOA stuff from my childhood years in the Bronx. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Feb 25 17:06:10 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 25 09:07:53 2011. Looking at one of the Bronx rollsigns, there was a Bx21 via Astoria Blvd and a Q89 Elmhurst crosstown. What was the routing for these and how long did they last? I've never heard of these routes before |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 25 17:29:10 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Feb 25 17:06:10 2011. I remember riding the Bx-21 from Astoria Blvd. over the Triboro Bridge into the south Bronx. I think it was a 60 minute headway on that route, if I'm not mistaken. I believe it was eliminated when they totally revamped the Bronx bus routes & route numbers in 1982. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Feb 25 18:15:52 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 25 09:07:53 2011. Which depot had the Bx-21? |
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(Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 20:42:14 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Feb 25 17:06:10 2011.  - 1975 Queens Bus Map Running between 81 St - Northern Blvd <---> Queens Blvd - Grand Av In the 1980s Queens Bus Map notes... running 40 minute headway: Weekdays: 7:40 AM to 5 PM Weekends: 8:40 AM to 5 PM Probably discontinued in early 1990s. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 25 20:44:51 2011, in response to (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 20:42:14 2011. That would also be the first or second one with the Q88 (which was a brand-new route at the time). The Q89 though seemed pretty pointless, since it didn't go on to Queens Center and Alexander's. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Feb 25 20:47:46 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 25 20:44:51 2011. It was originally a New York City Omnibus / Fifth Avenue Coach Lines route. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 20:59:49 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by UTC Bus Roster on Fri Feb 25 17:29:10 2011. It was eliminated on 1984. |
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(Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 21:01:48 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Feb 25 17:06:10 2011.  - 1975 Queens Bus Map Too bad I dont have any Bronx Bus Maps in the 70s. |
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Re: (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Feb 25 21:50:19 2011, in response to (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 21:01:48 2011. Originally labeled as Route TB, the two branches were later renumbered as M35 and Bx21. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Feb 25 21:55:59 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Feb 25 20:47:46 2011. I think the Q89 was originally Fifth Avenue Coach route #16, The Q32(ex M32) was originally Fifth Avenue Coach route #15. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Feb 25 21:56:12 2011, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri Feb 25 18:15:52 2011. I never saw the old Bx-21, but my guess is that it operated from either (the original) West Farms or 146th Street. The Q-89 was also an OA route and it that operated from 54th St depot. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Joe Saitta on Fri Feb 25 22:16:06 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by B53RICH on Fri Feb 25 21:55:59 2011. You are correct. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by FutureKBArticOP on Sat Feb 26 06:29:43 2011, in response to (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 20:42:14 2011. This line was entirely in Queens but being run out of Hudson Pier? |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat Feb 26 09:32:14 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 25 20:44:51 2011. [The Q89 though seemed pretty pointless, since it didn't go on to Queens Center and Alexander's.]I once saw an allowance for an extension in the split blue-and-red destination signs: Blue: Q89 82 St-Bway-Queens Blvd Red: 63 Dr Yet, nobody ever bothered to actually extend the route after the stores opened. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Feb 26 09:44:03 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by B53RICH on Fri Feb 25 21:55:59 2011. Speaking of FACCo, where was the Jackson Heights Depot---at Northern and 81? |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Sat Feb 26 13:03:31 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by FutureKBArticOP on Sat Feb 26 06:29:43 2011. I recall the Q89 being assigned to 54th Street depot. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat Feb 26 13:41:59 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by WayneJay on Sat Feb 26 13:03:31 2011. [I recall the Q89 being assigned to 54th Street depot.] The Q89 was always in the same depot as the M32, whether that depot was 54th Street or Hudson. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Sat Feb 26 14:10:48 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat Feb 26 13:41:59 2011. The Q89 was probably interlined with the M32 (Q32). |
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Re: (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by The TransitMan on Sat Feb 26 17:15:29 2011, in response to (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 21:01:48 2011. Looks like that turn-a-round was at Steinway St, correct? |
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Re: (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Sat Feb 26 18:34:15 2011, in response to Re: (Bx21 in Queens map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by The TransitMan on Sat Feb 26 17:15:29 2011. Actually just before it, at 37 Street, left onto 24 Avenue. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 28 09:52:46 2011, in response to (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 20:42:14 2011. It appears to have been a local version of the Q53 between Elmhurst Hospital and Queens Boulevard.Too bad we already have one of those now… the Q53! |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Mon Feb 28 11:01:35 2011, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Feb 28 09:52:46 2011. That didn't come about though until a few years ago...the Whitney Avenue stop on the Q53 is only a year or two old. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri May 26 22:37:00 2017, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by B53RICH on Fri Feb 25 21:55:59 2011. Between 1972 and 1974, the Elmhurst #16 (later Q89) was designated QM16, and the Fifth Avenue-Jackson Heights #15 (later M32, now Q32) was designated QM15. The 'QM16' designation was odd given that in no part of Manhattan did the line travel - but it, like the QM15/M32, was assigned out of 54th Street depot in Manhattan. A few pics with QM15 designation signs on the front have turned up; we've yet to see any QM16's (let alone pics of Q89's).Those nomenclatures ended up duplicative of two Green Bus Lines express routes to Manhattan (now under MTA Bus aegis) - QM15 out of Woodhaven/Lindenwood, and QM16 out of Neponsit/Far Rockaway. |
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Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by northshore on Fri May 26 23:28:48 2017, in response to Re: (Q89 map) Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by W.B. on Fri May 26 22:37:00 2017. I have seen a Blitz red/blue Q89 roll sign. It read Q89 Elmhurst Crosstown on one side and Queens Blvd/63 Dr on the destination side. Of course this was a proposed extension that was not implemented. This was not bus in service. Normally the Q89 had RTS's with digital signs the read Q89 ELMHURST cROSSTOWN & Q89 QUEENS BLVD. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 30 02:30:04 2017, in response to Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by gOlD_12tH on Fri Feb 25 01:15:50 2011. None of these links work today (2017); but I have to wonder if any updates to 'batwing' side signs for MaBSTOA routes in Manhattan were made after that dated Dec. 13, 1966 (as sliced and diced individual side signs of most routes attest; one of which reads '2 - 5th & Madison via Lenox'). Of all the pics I've seen of batwinged buses on the then-101A route, none of them have '101A - 3rd-Lex-Lenox Aves' side signs. That same seller has four sections of a post-1969 (printed c.1971?) side sign from the non-batwinged 5303 class, by which time the Fifth/Madison/Lenox 2 was gone; unfortunately the sections now being sold don't include the Third/Lexington/Lenox 101A route that began operations on the same day that Fifth/Madison/Lenox 2 was discontinued. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jun 30 10:44:28 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 30 02:30:04 2017. It seems that after this period... MaBSTOA largely ignored those side signs. For instance, the pre-'72 new looks which came with the destination/route signs (white lettering on black background without borough prefix) did (later) get destination roll signs with the borough prefix, but most retained their original route signs. In fact, usually when an OA bus was shifted to another depot... Obviously, it rec'd a destination roll sign for it's new depot, but they didn't bother to swap the route sign. I remember at NYCTA where the side sign was simply a smaller destination sign, they not only swapped them when a bus changed depots, but bus operators consistently used them. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 30 12:31:14 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by WayneJay on Fri Jun 30 10:44:28 2017. I know on the '64-'66 (non-batwing) Fishbowls, when the M2A (as known from 1966 to '74) was operating northbound, some side signs read "2 - Madison Ave via 116 St" while southbound they read "2 - 5th & 7th Avenues." Very few had read "2A - 5th & Madison via Seventh Ave" as they should have. This contrasts with frequent updates of TA side signs in Brooklyn and Queens (especially for batwings) during 1971. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Dan on Fri Jun 30 15:27:43 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 30 12:31:14 2017. I vaguely remember some front and side destination signs in Brooklyn which simply read 'Tilden Avenue' and something like 'West Avenue'. No route number, what was their purpose? |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by WayneJay on Fri Jun 30 16:39:11 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by Dan on Fri Jun 30 15:27:43 2017. Yeah, there were some Queens routes like that too for 179th St IND Subway. I think someone once said such readings were used on some rush hour trippers that varied from the regular route |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by B53RICH on Fri Jun 30 19:39:11 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by WayneJay on Fri Jun 30 16:39:11 2017. The Q26 out of FLU had no route number displayed as shown in the following photo: NYCTA #4453 working route Q26 at Union Street & 39th Avenue. Photograph taken May 13, 1972 by Joe Testagrose. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Jun 30 20:24:07 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by B53RICH on Fri Jun 30 19:39:11 2017. Back when I was attending Queens College and dating in the outer portions of Queens, I noticed that it was quite common for all the bus routes going to Main St to carry the same destination signs as the bus in the photo since all the routes were going to the same place and almost all of them ultimately via Northern Blvd. It was only necessary to carry the route number outbound since those buses were going to different places. I believe that buses out of Qns Village depot had similar signs that read “To 165 St Terminal” for a similar reason. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by Dan on Sat Jul 1 13:40:48 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by B53RICH on Fri Jun 30 19:39:11 2017. That 'Tilden Avenue' sign was even stranger. Not a major destination like a subway terminal. Ages ago a trolley ran along a portion of Tilden Avenue to the Holy Cross cemetery. Maybe the MTA still held that ancient franchise and had to at least provide signage for it. One more obscure transit mystery.The 'West Ave & Ocean Pkwy' sign makes a bit more sense, that was a location near Lincoln H.S. |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by northshore on Sat Jul 1 14:08:05 2017, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by Dan on Sat Jul 1 13:40:48 2017. The TA also had odd destinations for school trippers |
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Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them) |
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Posted by W.B. on Fri Jun 29 12:48:18 2018, in response to Re: Very rare NYCT/MaBSTOA destination readings roll signs (lots of them), posted by D to E to Jamaica on Fri Feb 25 17:06:10 2011. As of October 1976, the MaBSTOA route assignments in Manhattan would have been as such (route assignment origins of Bx21 and Q89 in italics):Hudson (HUD): M11 - Ninth and Amsterdam Avenues M12 - Spring and Delancey Streets Crosstown M13 - 8th Street Crosstown M14(A) - 14th Street via Avenue A M14(D) - 14th Street via Avenue D M16 - 34th Street Crosstown M21 - Houston Street and Avenue C Crosstown M26 - 23rd Street Crosstown 54th Street (FFS): M6 - Broadway, Seventh Avenue and Avenue of the Americas M17 - 79th Street Crosstown M18 - 86th Street Crosstown M28 - 57th Street Crosstown M30 - 72nd Street Crosstown M32 - Fifth and Madison Avenues-Queensboro Bridge-Jackson Heights Q89 - Elmhurst Crosstown M103 - 59th Street Crosstown M106 - 42nd Street Crosstown 100th Street (OHS): M19 - 96th Street Crosstown M41 - Culture Loop I M101 - Third, Lexington and Amsterdam Avenues M102 - Third, Lexington and Lenox Avenues X23 - Wall Street - Yorkville Express 132nd Street (OTS): M3 - Fifth and Madison Avenues via St. Nicholas and Convent Avenues M4 - Fifth, Madison and Fort Washington Avenues M5 - Fifth Avenue-Avenue of the Americas-Riverside Drive M20 - 116th Street Crosstown Bx21 - Triborough Bridge (Bronx - Astoria) M34 - Triborough Bridge (Manhattan - Wards Island) M35 - Triborough Bridge (Manhattan - Astoria) 146th Street (OFS): M1 - Fifth and Madison Avenues M2 - Fifth and Madison Avenues via Seventh Avenue M7 - Broadway, Columbus and Lenox Avenues M10 - Eighth Avenue and Central Park West Bx30 - 149th Street Crosstown Amsterdam (AMS): M100 - Broadway-Kingsbridge M104 - Broadway Looks like along the way, the old FACCo '10 - Broadway' pull-in/pull-out only route - designated 'M10 Broadway' on 1973 side signs for GMC T6H-5309A's and 5310A's - disappeared from the itinerary. I must say that the photo links made "at the time" would no longer hold. I hope people who frequent and post on this board saved the pics, especially the side roll signs . . . quite a few have become lost to time. |
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