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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 10:12:36 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Sun Apr 22 06:05:21 2018.

Agreed! I don't think this group made it beyond 1976

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 10:48:19 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 10:10:24 2018.

As did some of the 1-190 TA's of '59, if pics taken in the Bronx attest.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 10:52:56 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 10:48:19 2018.

Oh OK. I didn't realize any buses from this group were still in service at that time.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 10:57:49 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 10:52:56 2018.

That would've been in 1972-73, the first TA Fishbowls filling in on Bronx routes; the green paint scheme was still on them.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 11:13:36 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 10:57:49 2018.

Oh, OK. I was thinking of the 80s. I have just vague memories of this time as I was just 7/8 y/o. I do remember it as I remember seeing trains on the old 3rd Ave el, and of course the brand spanking new GMC T6H-5309As that replaced it with Bx-55 service.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 17:16:08 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by WayneJay on Mon Apr 23 11:13:36 2018.

The TA 2000's sure did last to the early '80's, for sure. Any Flxible 5000's/5100's or 5600's/5700's, in their twilight, ever do Manhattan routes, OA if not TA?

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 17:52:50 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 17:16:08 2018.

yep- for example, 2151, which has made it to many a "Bus Fest" on Atlantic Avenue, was in service from 1962-82.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 18:05:54 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by Bill Newkirk on Thu Sep 14 07:52:32 2017.

I don't know for sure, but I'd doubt any A/C system from the 1960s could still work today. And since the types of refrigerant used have changed several times since then (environmental reasons), I don't think a 50 or even 25 year old A/C can be fixed- it would have to be replaced.

So while there may well be Fishbowl buses in collections with working A/C, I think it would not be the same system. What it might sound like, I won't try to guess :)

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Re: NYCTA Staten Island Division Bus Roster 6/11/91

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 18:18:51 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Staten Island Division Bus Roster 6/11/91, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 31 19:47:42 2010.

Thank you very much for sharing all of this information!!!

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Re: NYCTA Staten Island Division Bus Roster 6/11/91

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 18:20:01 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Staten Island Division Bus Roster 6/11/91, posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 18:18:51 2018.

I remember riding 38XX buses in early 1999, during their last days. Plenty of MCIs were already on the road....

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Re: MaBSTOA/NYCTA Flxible Roster in the Early 90s

Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Apr 23 18:22:21 2018, in response to Re: MaBSTOA/NYCTA Flxible Roster in the Early 90s, posted by MCI GUY on Sun Nov 7 12:19:57 2010.

I remember riding 9090 to and from Port Richmond HS on the S102 or S4 in the mid 1980s....

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by B53RICH on Mon Apr 23 20:30:01 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 17:16:08 2018.

If my memory is correct, I remember 2109 in service in 1981 at least.


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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Apr 23 23:03:27 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Sun Apr 22 06:05:21 2018.

Who ordered those buses originally?

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 24 06:29:38 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by Catfish 44 on Mon Apr 23 23:03:27 2018.

The order for 3301-3555 was designated contract #MB-14-OA, and apparently whoever was in charge of ordering new buses for the TA (which 3601-3950 was under contract #MB-14).

One of the later pictures of the 1963 MaBSTOA bus order on the roads was 3382 plying route Bx29 on Feb. 28, 1976.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by northshore on Tue Apr 24 13:16:25 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 24 06:29:38 2018.

TA buses had charcoal grey seats in the front half, and OA buses had aqua green seats in the front half.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by WayneJay on Tue Apr 24 14:31:27 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 17:16:08 2018.

Yeah, they were battered, but they held on. Some of the 1000/1100 series GMCs as well.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by Westcode44 on Tue Apr 24 22:02:38 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by W.B. on Mon Apr 23 17:16:08 2018.

Flxible 5000/5100/5600/5700 never made it to MABSTOA.

WE-44

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Tue Apr 24 22:55:42 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Apr 24 22:02:38 2018.

Nor, from what I could see, to NYCTA's Manhattan Bus Division. And to think a Flxible demo plied the M-3 49th-50th Street Crosstown in 1963 . . .

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by WayneJay on Wed Apr 25 10:36:39 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by Westcode44 on Tue Apr 24 22:02:38 2018.

Obviously, I couldn't say for sure, but I was also certain those Flxibles never came to MABSTOA. I think he extent of them being in OA territory would've been on the Q44, and possibly the Brooklyn local routes that entered lower Manhattan

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Fri May 18 18:18:35 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sun Oct 31 15:04:19 2010.

Seeing the MaBSTOA lists dating to 1970 onward, 3357 from the 1963 order had been put out of commission permanently at some point between 1966 and 1970 because on that and subsequent bus roster lists (1/73 and 1/74) it was not on the list and there was a break between 3356 and 3358.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76

Posted by W.B. on Fri May 18 18:20:17 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/76, posted by B53RICH on Sun Oct 31 14:32:43 2010.

I think some of the buses in the 3601-3950 batch, when first delivered in '63, did do some service in MAN (a photo from "back then" that had been on eBay showed it parked on the eastern end of the run of the then M-3 49th-50th Crosstown route - and it was before a side rollsign was put in) next to the standee windows. Certainly one of the 500 series from 1960 had done duty on the M-15 First and Second Avenues line as of 1961. Makes me wonder why (besides the Old Look holdovers) none of the 1964 or '65 Flxies saw at least some Manhattan service before being strewn about Brooklyn, Queens and Staten Island.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 9/8/74 (QV Opens)

Posted by W.B. on Fri May 18 20:57:18 2018, in response to NYCTA Bus Roster 9/8/74 (QV Opens), posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat Oct 30 22:14:17 2010.

Also . . . it seems it was around the time of QV's opening that the last seven of the first OA Flxibles from 1969 (4721-4727) were transferred to Hudson depot in Manhattan, thus those buses truly penetrated into Manhattan for the first time (apart from some Bx- buses assigned out of depots where they had been stored up to that point).

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 19 12:40:30 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by WayneJay on Wed Sep 13 11:29:55 2017.

I also remember the different sound those buses made when the A/C was on. Rode them new, my late Dad operated them out of JAM. He complained the buses ran slower with the A/C on, but it sure was comfortable/cool inside. Loved the batwings.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by WayneJay on Sat May 19 14:14:36 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 19 12:40:30 2018.

I rode them often and mainly on KB routes. KB had a bunch of them (8301-8371), and occasionally on Manhattan routes where the rest of them for OA (8372-8780) were scattered at the OA depots.

I do remember that the bus operators would often turn off the A/C when climbing the steep hills in the west Bronx.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by Far Rockaway A Train on Sat May 19 14:24:54 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by Keeping the RAPID in Rapid Transit on Sat May 19 12:40:30 2018.

I wish somebody would've recorded that sound. Hopefully someone would be able to fix the a/c on 8466. Maybe we can get that sound again.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by W.B. on Sun May 20 09:04:48 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by WayneJay on Sat May 19 14:14:36 2018.

There is a very steep climb on Lexington Avenue between 103rd and 102nd Streets which I'm sure, the A/C batwings (upper 8400's up to 8545) plying the M101 and M101A/M102 routes would have had the A/C turned off when approaching that area. I am of the age where, if I'm in the area, I try to avoid that specific stretch, instead walking down Third or Madison or Fifth.

When the OA batwings first turned up, only 12th Street out of which 12 - Spring/Delancey and 14 - 14th Street Crosstown were assigned (as was 13 - 8th Street Crosstown until about 1968 when it was shifted to 54th), didn't get any; but seven (8452-8458) were reassigned from Amsterdam in 1972 when the Hudson depot opened and put there.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by TransitChuckG on Sun May 20 14:59:00 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by WayneJay on Sat May 19 14:14:36 2018.

In Philadelphia, in the hilly Roxborough Section, the GM Fishbowl buses always switched their A/C off.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 22 08:10:55 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by W.B. on Sun May 20 09:04:48 2018.

AC can slow down even modern vehicles. While I generally consider it a Godsend, I had to turn off the AC in my 1999 Toyota Camry to climb the hills in and around Ithaca, NY.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 22 17:18:07 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by MainR3664 on Tue May 22 08:10:55 2018.

I never turn my A/C off , even when climbing hills with my 2014 Nissan, 4 cylinder. The engines are much better (fuel Injection , etc.) than in 1999 , yours was probably a twin SU-style side-draft carburetor style.:)

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by WayneJay on Tue May 22 22:07:34 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 22 17:18:07 2018.

Yeah, I get with buses. Their sheer weight, plus passengers. In my car I can feel extra drain on the engine when the A/C is on, but it's not too bad. My 2007 Honda Accord is quite a runner as it has a 3.0 V6 engine with 244 bHP and 6-speed manual tranny.

I still remember (fondly) a few years ago when I drove it through the mountains along I-68 in Western MD, WV and it was able to maintain speed on those long inclines without me downshifting. A/C on too.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:05:10 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by WayneJay on Tue May 22 22:07:34 2018.

With a V6 and manual transmission, I can see that this would be no problem.

Although not on the topic of A/C or even buses anymore, my 4-cyl 2009 Hyundai Sonata (I came to consider it a total POS) had trouble stopping with the A/C on- totally drained power from the power brakes.

I just bought my 2018 Nissan Altima a few weeks ago. While I'm pleased so far, nothing has arisen yet to really put it to the test- no steep hills, no serious traffic, no extremely hot or cold weather. As a Manhattan commuter, I basically don't drive at all Monday-Thursday- and only a little on Friday nights. A few weekends away upstate or in New England will tell us what we've really got here. Also a trip on the BQE/LIE to our Long Island relatives...



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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:07:06 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 22 17:18:07 2018.

I'm not being sarcastic here- really asking. What's "carburetor style"? I know the car had fuel injection...

We also recently got a 4-cyl Nissan. Hopefully this summer we'll be able to really test it out.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 23 16:37:17 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:07:06 2018.

SUs are a brand of English carburetor factory installed on many European cars in the 60's and 70's from Volvo to MG.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 23 16:39:29 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by Catfish 44 on Wed May 23 16:37:17 2018.

I'm pretty sure SU stands for Skinner-Union.

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Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73

Posted by TransitChuckG on Tue May 29 09:55:20 2018, in response to Re: NYCTA Bus Roster 1/1/73, posted by MainR3664 on Wed May 23 14:05:10 2018.

I love my 2014 Nissan Altima.

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