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Old Stuff: Paper Transfers

Posted by X-Astorian on Sat Oct 16 13:55:03 2010

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Something that quickly fell out of use in New York was the paper bus transfer. Once very commonplace - free or less than full-fare - for rides on an additional one or two buses, they changed and then disappeared entirely with the full implementation of MetroCard in 1997.

Below are a few from Queens' privates, likely from the 1970s (city ones to follow), including the Green Bus Lines with their distinctive railroad font time limits. The back of the Q-60 is also shown because it shows the additional transfer opportunities which existed for the payment of an extra quarter with Add-A-Ride when it started in 1975 (more on that later as well).

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Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers

Posted by Andy on Sat Oct 16 22:32:30 2010, in response to Old Stuff: Paper Transfers, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Oct 16 13:55:03 2010.

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Great shots. Four questions:

(1) The Steinway and Queens Transit transfers appear to have a two letter code on each (DV and HJ). Were those date codes so that a person would not be able to use the transfer on a future date?


(2) How does one determine the dates on the Green and Triboro transfers?

(3)The Green Q60 transfer shows a transfer permitted to the Q21A, Q22, and Q22A - but the Q60 doesn't intersect those routes - it's necessary to use the Q113 between Jamaica and Far Rockaway. Don't understand.

(4) The Green Add a Ride ticket looks like a generic one that all Green Buses carried - not just the Q60. Am I right about that?

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QBx1 to Jewel Avenue???

Posted by gbs on Sun Oct 17 02:23:10 2010, in response to Old Stuff: Paper Transfers, posted by X-Astorian on Sat Oct 16 13:55:03 2010.

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The QBx1 transfer shows a connection to the Q65A at Jewel Avenue. Did the QBx1 originally go beyond downtown Flushing all the way to Jewel Avenue (or beyond)?

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Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers

Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Oct 17 09:04:16 2010, in response to Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers, posted by Andy on Sat Oct 16 22:32:30 2010.

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"Great shots. Four questions:

Thanks.

(1) The Steinway and Queens Transit transfers appear to have a two letter code on each (DV and HJ). Were those date codes so that a person would not be able to use the transfer on a future date?

I don't know for certain but it seems very likely. Unlike the TA transfers, most privates were not dated.

(2) How does one determine the dates on the Green and Triboro transfers?

Again, I'm not positve but the large letter - in this case "E" on Green and "A" on Triboro - was a variable.

(3)The Green Q60 transfer shows a transfer permitted to the Q21A, Q22, and Q22A - but the Q60 doesn't intersect those routes - it's necessary to use the Q113 between Jamaica and Far Rockaway. Don't understand.

You're not alone. While the Steinway and Queens transfers which had a smaller perforated coupon on the right-hand side for the first transfer with the second transfer being in the body of it, Green did not.

(4) The Green Add a Ride ticket looks like a generic one that all Green Buses carried - not just the Q60. Am I right about that?"

It does look that way even though Add-A-Ride transfers were specific to routes like regular transfers.


Maybe someone else on the board has more info.

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Re: QBx1 to Jewel Avenue???

Posted by X-Astorian on Sun Oct 17 09:09:22 2010, in response to QBx1 to Jewel Avenue???, posted by gbs on Sun Oct 17 02:23:10 2010.

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"The QBx1 transfer shows a connection to the Q65A at Jewel Avenue. Did the QBx1 originally go beyond downtown Flushing all the way to Jewel Avenue (or beyond)?"

No, it just went to downtown Flushing. Most Queens Transit and Steinway Transit routes allowed for a two-part transfer for two additional bus rides. The coupon on the right came off first. To get to the Q65A you had to first transfer to either the Q25 or the Q65.


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Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers

Posted by Andy on Sun Oct 17 13:10:13 2010, in response to Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Oct 17 09:04:16 2010.

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Thanks for answering. I certainly remember that TA and later MABSTOA transfers had a large date on the front so there was no question as to their validity. The privates, on the other hand, always seemed to use some kind of secret code.

As you no doubt recall the last few years prior to MetroCards the privates and TA/MABSTOA all issued the same style transfers with dates and tear-off time limits that permitted transfers to every possible intersecting bus, regardless of the operator. For example, a rider on the M15 could transfer free to the Q60 at 60th Street and 2nd Ave.

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Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers

Posted by Phantom909 on Sun Oct 17 15:08:53 2010, in response to Re: Old Stuff: Paper Transfers, posted by Andy on Sun Oct 17 13:10:13 2010.

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Green Line used 10 different letters which were to be used in sequence for a 10 day period. they were A.B,X,O,V,K,G,M,E,Z. I don`t know why those letters were used or how they come up with the sequencing. But riding the Q-8 and transferring to the Q-37 going to Richmond Hill HS every day for 4 years, that`s the way it was then.

Joe

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