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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by B49 Limited on Thu May 20 21:54:09 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. Someone posted before that he heard from the driver that the Q 58 limited would make slight routing change along Queens Blvd onto Elliot or some sort instead of going thru Braodway. It would make sense to have limited service. |
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Posted by monorail on Thu May 20 22:22:28 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. excellent!!!! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu May 20 22:24:01 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. The route has too many turns and is heavily prone to traffic, so I'd really like to see how this would work.On another note, I noticed that the Q58 to Ridgewood is more popular than the Q59 to Williamsburg on Grand Avenue where you can get to Manhattan faster. I wonder why. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 22:29:38 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by monorail on Thu May 20 22:22:28 2010. It's all in this week's Ridgewood Times Newsweekly.Story might be on their website too. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:51:28 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by B49 Limited on Thu May 20 21:54:09 2010. Here is an older thread regarding the subject.Essentially, the Q58LTD would follow Queens Boulevard and the Long Island Expressway, bypassing the Corona Avenue/108th Street section entirely. I surely hope that if it is implemented, the Ridgewood-bound service would follow Regular/Horace Harding, Junction Boulevard, 62nd Drive, Queens Boulevard/Regular instead of following the Q88 route along the narrow 94th Street. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:53:35 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:51:28 2010. Also, I hope it has stops for the Queens Center Mall and Queens Place. You don't know how many times I've seen people boarding the buses that stop at the mall only to inquire about buses to Fresh Pond Road or Flushing. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu May 20 23:01:53 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:51:28 2010. If that is the case, then the route should get a new number---like Q68. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 21 00:07:38 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:53:35 2010. THAT would rock. Direct bus service from Flushing to Queens Center? WIN. |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 21 00:28:11 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 21 00:07:38 2010. I actually wonder if that should be provided though as part of an extended Q38 service, with the Penelope Avenue segmet becoming a new route |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri May 21 00:50:22 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. The only bad thing with that is that it would have to follow the same routing as the Q59 Ridgewood-Bound from Queens Center-Grand Ave...ie Queens Blvd-90 St-56 Ave-Queens Blvd-Grand Ave. That part of the route can be a bit time consuming especially around heavy shopping days. Once on Grand Ave, the LIMITED should only make the following stops:79 Street, 69 Street, Fresh Pond Rd, Eliot Ave, Metropolitan Ave-then local the rest of the route. If the LIMITED was to turn onto Queens Blvd from Grand Ave, I do agree that a stop should be added at Queens Center/Woodhaven Blvd. The next stop after that would be 108 Street and then local after that. Just give me an 8800 on that and I'll be set. |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 04:23:02 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu May 20 22:51:28 2010. Essentially, the Q58LTD would follow Queens Boulevard and the Long Island Expressway, bypassing the Corona Avenue/108th Street section entirely.Long overdue. The only reason for the Q58 using Corona Avenue is that once upon a time a trolley car operated there in the absence of an expressway. While there certainly is demand for a local service along Corona Avenue, the through service into Flushing ought to take the shorter route along Horace Harding. A cost mitigation measure might be to operate all Q58s from Ridgewood to Flushing along Horace Harding, and to reroute Q59s from Grand Av and Queens Blvd via Broadway, Corona Av, 108 St to the 62 Dr stand (now used only by Q38), thereby eliminating Q59 service on Queens Blvd. The Horace Harding route would take 10 minutes instead of the current 19 minutes via Corona Av, so that reduces the midday round-trip cycle time from 2:40 to 2:22, and with an 8-minute midday headway save 2 buses. The Q59 route between Broadway & Queens Blvd and Junction & Queens Blvd takes 10 minutes, and a re-routed Q59 to 62 Dr & 108 St would take an additional 9 minutes. The midday round-trip cycle time would increase from 2:40 to 2:58, and with a 20-minute midday headway, this would require 1 more bus. The 20-minute Q59 headway would probably be insufficient for the demand along Corona Av, so there would likely be a need for additional Q59 short-turns operating only between 108 St and Broadway to split the Q59 headway to 10 minutes, and require another 3 or 4 midday buses. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by Chipper10 on Fri May 21 06:17:32 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 04:23:02 2010. Will or have you heard if the Q58Limited will be extended to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Fri May 21 06:42:27 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av?, posted by Chipper10 on Fri May 21 06:17:32 2010. I was thinking the same thing -- but I'm not sure if there's any more room at that location for another route, especially one as busy as the Q58. |
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Posted by andy on Fri May 21 07:06:36 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 04:23:02 2010. Correct. The trolley was originally part of the BMT, which NYC took over in 1940. The cars stopped running in 1949, one of the last trolleys in Queens and definitely the last trolley route to serve Flushing. The replacement buses were called "58 CORONA" and used the 1950 Bingham Macks until about 1960, when the TA's second group of New Look GMs replaced the Macks. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Fri May 21 10:04:04 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. I used to ride it almost end to end; it would be nice. I felt so discouraged when it made the "wrong" turn onto 108th Street every morning. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Fri May 21 10:05:19 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. The Q58 would need to take a different path in order for it to work. Going from Grand Ave to Queens Blvd to Horace Harding Expwy does sound awesome. Fresh Pond road and Grand Ave are awful on rush hours though, not sure if there's a way around it. No one really uses the Q58 to the Myrtle/Wyckoff train station, however some do use it to get to the downtown Brooklyn routes. For Ridgewood residents crowding it up, I do believe the big attraction in Queens Centers Mall. I do see why else anyone here would use it to go Queens Blvd when we have the awesome (L) train for Manhattan needs.I don't know how MTA is going to pull it off. It's not like the Q46 or B41 that's mostly a straight path. The Q58 is a sloppy design which makes to many turns reach either terminal. As long as I get the 9500s on it, I'll be happy, none of those garbage 1996 Nova hand-me-downs. |
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Posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Fri May 21 10:12:02 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Fri May 21 10:05:19 2010. The Q58 would need to take a different path in order for it to work. Going from Grand Ave to Queens Blvd to Horace Harding Expwy does sound awesome. Fresh Pond road and Grand Ave are awful on rush hours though, not sure if there's a way around it. No one really uses the Q58 to the Myrtle/Wyckoff train station, however some do use it to get to the downtown Brooklyn routes. For Ridgewood residents crowding it up, I do believe the big attraction in Queens Centers Mall. I don't see why else would anyone here use it to go to Queens Blvd Grand ave station when we have the awesome (L) train for Manhattan needs.I don't know how MTA is going to pull it off. It's not like the Q46 or B41 that's mostly a straight path. The Q58 is a sloppy design which makes to many turns to reach either terminal. As long as I get the 9500s on it, I'll be happy, none of those garbage 1996 Nova hand-me-downs. Ignore my first post. This site really needs an edit feature. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Fri May 21 13:39:19 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av?, posted by Chipper10 on Fri May 21 06:17:32 2010. NO. There's no room. Especially with the street changes taking place in July. The Q58 can stay where it is. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 14:50:14 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av?, posted by Chipper10 on Fri May 21 06:17:32 2010. What will be interesting to see is the impact of the shopping at Sky View Parc on route Q58. The main pedestrian access to the stores in the rear of the center (BJ's, Best Buy, Bob's) is from 40 Rd off of College Point Blvd. As the center fills with other stores, including Target, Bed Bath & Beyond, Applebees, Marshalls, Staples, etc., surely there will be demand on the Q58 similar to the commercial attractions along Queens Blvd. I can foresee some outcry to have Q58 bus stops closer to the shopping there as well. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 16:05:02 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 04:23:02 2010. There's nothing wrong with the Q58 on Corona Avenue, and plenty of people on Corona Avenue ride all the way to Flushing. I do however think that the Q58 should be rerouted up Main Street or Roosevelt Avenue and 108th Street on its way to Flushing instead of College Point Boulevard. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 16:10:43 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by DaRidgewoodBusBuff on Fri May 21 10:12:02 2010. It seems like most Ridgewood residents who use the Q58 are using it to get to Queens Boulevard for some reason. I agree that the Q58 makes a lot of turns and is heavily prone to traffic, and I'm interested to see how the Limited would turn out. |
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Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri May 21 18:02:48 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 16:10:43 2010. I CANT WAIT till the FP 9500s get transfered OUT of FP. Then FP gets MORE HAND ME DOWN 1998s or HAND ME DOWN 1999s then what are you going to do. Trust me it WILL be happening. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Fri May 21 18:15:06 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri May 21 18:02:48 2010. lol IDK if the guy realizes that being FP has a lot of old buses they would be amoung the first to get dibs on the next new 40FT Hybrid/Diesel bus order. IMO there stacking all those 96 Novas in the pond for a reason, so once the new buses come it would be easier to dispose them to ECH rather doing an tricky bus swap.I noticed they have been stackin' a lot of old timers on CP and UP depots. UP has really been getting shitted on, they been getting nothing but 96 Novas lately and mind you they don't have ANY new buses at all! I would also like to point out that noticed how right before the LSFA came in, most of the 1000s were at GH and 126th, looks like there doing the same thing to UP and FP.... Think about that... |
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Posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 18:36:20 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 16:05:02 2010. There's nothing wrong with the Q58 on Corona Avenue, and plenty of people on Corona Avenue ride all the way to Flushing.I think there is something "wrong" with the Q58 on Corona Av. It is a slow and winding street that provides only an indirect path between Elmhurst and Flushing, whereas Horace Harding is much quicker and more direct. While there are many people riding the Q58 along Corona Av destined for Flushing, that does not necessarily imply that all those passengers are actually originating their trips on Corona Av (many are coming from Queens Blvd). Unless there is a major traffic generator that would otherwise be missed, or the bus would travel upon a desolate street with no passenger traffic at all, bus routes should generally follow the most direct path and not take scenic and winding tours. I do however think that the Q58 should be rerouted up Main Street or Roosevelt Avenue and 108th Street on its way to Flushing instead of College Point Boulevard. There is major development going on along College Point Blvd. At one time the roadway was lined with low rent industrial uses, but today it is lined with large residential condominiums and major commercial development. There should be a bus route along College Point Blvd between Horace Harding Blvd and Roosevelt Av (or even to Northern Blvd). Main St is already well-served. If not Q58 on College Point Blvd then what? Q65? |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 19:17:56 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Fri May 21 18:02:48 2010. 
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 19:47:15 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. Changes were approved by MTA's NYCT committee. You can check the minutes on their website for details.Limited service will operate daily; weekdays during the peaks and their shoulders, weekends for most of the day. Running time expected to drop approximately 10 minutes. To be implemented with the Fall 2010 schedule. Also, the committee approved B82 limited stop service too. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 19:50:31 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited,extension to Main St/Roosevelt Av?, posted by Chipper10 on Fri May 21 06:17:32 2010. There really isn't capacity until, if ever, they implement street changes. So the present arrangement works best. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 19:55:04 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 04:23:02 2010. I sympathize with what you have said and the Q58 has the second highest ridership of the Queens routes. Perhaps an origin and destination study along that part of the route would put to rest any concern that the indirect route produces greater commuter time savings even though it's indirect. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri May 21 20:03:09 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 19:17:56 2010. I'm guessing that post was targeted at someone specific. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 20:09:30 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 19:47:15 2010. What's the confirmed routing? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 20:28:11 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 20:09:30 2010. From my cursory glance, same route. Just with limited stops.I'm linking to the MTA Bus record, which has the info on both the Q58 LTD and the B82 LTD. The interested can also see how MTA Bus will rename routes on the current QM1/A and QM24. |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Fri May 21 21:26:20 2010, in response to Q 58 Limited, posted by LuchAAA on Thu May 20 21:26:38 2010. Friggin Times Newsweekly hasn't updated their website with the 5/20/10 edition. Once they do, we should be able to link to the Q 58 Limited story. It lists the proposed stops. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 22:29:51 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 18:36:20 2010. While there are many people riding the Q58 along Corona Av destined for Flushing, that does not necessarily imply that all those passengers are actually originating their trips on Corona Av (many are coming from Queens Blvd).No, there are many Corona residents use the Q58 to get to Flushing as it's a major destination and transfer point. There is major development going on along College Point Blvd. At one time the roadway was lined with low rent industrial uses, but today it is lined with large residential condominiums and major commercial development. There should be a bus route along College Point Blvd between Horace Harding Blvd and Roosevelt Av (or even to Northern Blvd). College Point Boulevard brings little ridership to the Q58 and is in walkable distance to the Q20A, Q20B, Q44, and Q88. Main St is already well-served. It's not about serving Main Street its about connecting the other communities that the route serves with a major traffic generator in Main Street (like you said earlier in your post) adding turnover and ridership to the route. If not Q58 on College Point Blvd then what? Q65? I don't see the need for a College Point Boulevard route south of Northern Boulevard, but there are plenty of routes in Flushing that could be extended down College Point Boulevard (and not over-serve it like the Q58) should the Q58 stop serving it. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 22:34:44 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 20:28:11 2010. Thanks, the Limited stop selections for both routes make sense although I think that a Limited stop should be added at Bay Parkway & Cropsey Avenue on the B82 for Caesar's Bay. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 21 23:03:06 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by BusMgr on Fri May 21 18:36:20 2010. Then perhaps what may need to be considered is short-turning some Q58 trips from Flushing at Queens Boulevard (buses would use Van Loon Street to turn around). Service could be compensated for by a Q68 service, the Limited service. |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 22 00:18:04 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri May 21 00:28:11 2010. Where would you terminate it? |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by monorail on Sat May 22 00:30:31 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat May 22 00:18:04 2010. at the last stop, of course..... |
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Re: Q 58 Limited |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 02:38:07 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 21 22:29:51 2010. I don't see the need for a College Point Boulevard route south of Northern Boulevard, but there are plenty of routes in Flushing that could be extended down College Point Boulevard (and not over-serve it like the Q58) should the Q58 stop serving it.While I continue to think Q58 is the best route for College Point Blvd, extension of routes from east of Flushing to College Point Point Blvd is an interesting idea. Perhaps even more so now that it appears as though NYCDOT may very well prohibit all turns--including those by buses--at the intersection of Main St & Roosevelt Av. Routes Q12, Q15, and/or Q26 might well turn-around at College Point Blvd, thereby providing service to the new shopping at Sky View Parc (maybe west on Roosevelt Av, north on Prince St, west on 39 Av, south on College Point Blvd, east on Roosevelt Av and back to Main St). |
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QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 03:21:26 2010, in response to Re: Q 58 Limited, posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 21 20:28:11 2010. The interested can also see how MTA Bus will rename routes on the current QM1/A and QM24.There's a bit of convoluted reasoning here concerning the necessity of providing a distinct route number for branches to lower Manhattan, but no necessity of distinct route numbers for branches within midtown Manhattan (essentially, the reasoning is that service to lower Manhattan goes to a separate geographic area, whereas service to different avenues in midtown Manhattan is all part of the same geographic area). Following through on that reasoning, (1) the BxM1 and the BxM2 ought to be combined into a single route number, and (2) the BM1, BM2, BM3, and BM4 ought to have distinct route numbers for service to lower Manhattan only and to midtown Manhattan only. Interestingly, MTA Bus Company is leaving the availability open for route QM9 in the event that direct service between North Shore Towers and lower Manhattan is restored. Another interesting aspect of the renumbering is the re-use of route number QM25. This route number was first assigned to Bus Systems, Inc. (part of the Caravan Transportation system), and if I recall correctly this was the Fresh Meadows to lower Manhattan service. Bus Systems also operated routes QM26, QM27, and QM28 (and, also if I recall correctly, were the Glen Oaks to lower Manhattan, North Shore Towers to lower Manhattan, and Deepdale-Douglaston to midtown Manhattan routes, respectively). I'm not sure why MTA Bus Company would have chosen new re-numberings for the QM1 and QM1A routes when there were already previously-used re-numberings . . . their "report" does not even mention the route numbers! Perhaps another sign of the loss of institutional memory when MTA took over the service. Finally, I wonder how much of the cited confusion exists among the passengers of the service vis-à-vis the confusion that exists in the minds of the new planners that are doing the re-numberings? The passengers have largely understood the system ever since these routes started some 40 years ago . . . the MTA planners have only been doing this for the few years since they took over (these are probably the same planners that got confused over NYCT's X9-X11-X13 routes in Staten Island and created the X1-X2-X3-X4-X5-X6-X7-X8-X9 system!). |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 09:39:38 2010, in response to QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 03:21:26 2010. Now the MTA can bite the bullet and renumber the BxM7A to BxM8.The only suffixes to me should be for Queens to Manhattan routes that operate via 3 Avenue instead of 6 Avenue, such as QM24E. |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat May 22 10:23:15 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 09:39:38 2010. Question is why is MTA Bus deleting the suffixes while NYCT is adding them? For example: the Q15A. I think the Q14 could've been kept except that it will now be combined with the Q15.Sometimes, the MTA makes no sense whatsoever. |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 10:39:13 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Sat May 22 10:23:15 2010. The route could also have been named Q95. And one of the Q16 routings should be renamed Q86 (the most recent Q86 has been gone long enough now that it would not make a difference).Similarly, the Q11 Hamilton Beach routing should be renamed the Q51, and the Q20 via 14 Avenue should become the Q50. The M14A and M14D could become M14 and M13. |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 22 12:49:49 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 10:39:13 2010. The M14 suffixes are not going anywhere -- I think if there are any suffixes left decades from now, those will be the ones, lolI can see the Q11 Hamilton Beach getting renumbered. |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat May 22 13:24:28 2010, in response to QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 03:21:26 2010. [I wonder how much of the cited confusion exists among the passengers of the service vis-à-vis the confusion that exists in the minds of the new planners that are doing the re-numberings? The passengers have largely understood the system ever since these routes started some 40 years ago...]You're explicitly assuming that the same passengers (and ONLY those passengers) have ridden those routes since 1970. Are you really sure that no new people have moved into the area since then? Of course, the multiple labels also means that real estate brokers selling homes off Union Turnpike can now truthfully claim that their properties are served by five express routes (QM1,5,6,7,8) instead of just two routes (QM1,1A). Maybe THAT was the motivator? |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by QSCoperator on Sat May 22 13:33:31 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by New Flyer #857 on Sat May 22 12:49:49 2010. Why isn't the QM2a being renumbered? |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 13:37:33 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by QSCoperator on Sat May 22 13:33:31 2010. The QM2A should be renumbered to QM9. |
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Proposed QM1 - QM1A - QM24 Renumberings (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat May 22 14:59:07 2010, in response to QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 03:21:26 2010. QM1 & QM1A renumbering plan:QM1: Fresh Meadows - Midtown (3rd Avenue & 6th Avenue branches) QM5: Glen Oaks - Midtown (3rd Avenue & 6th Avenue branches) QM6: Lake Success - Midtown (3rd Avenue & 6th Avenue branches) QM7: Fresh Meadows - Downtown QM8: Glen Oaks - Downtown QM24 renumbering plan: QM24: Glendale - Midtown (3rd Avenue & 8th Avenue branches) QM25: Glendale - Downtown |
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Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by BusMgr on Sat May 22 15:15:04 2010, in response to Re: QM1 - QM1A - QM24 (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by Gotham Bus Co. on Sat May 22 13:24:28 2010. Of course, the multiple labels also means that real estate brokers selling homes off Union Turnpike can now truthfully claim that their properties are served by five express routes (QM1,5,6,7,8) instead of just two routes (QM1,1A). Maybe THAT was the motivator?I hadn't thought thought of that aspect, and I doubt it motivated MTA. But I certainly see validity in real estate brokers making that claim to secure sales! |
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Re: Proposed QM1 - QM1A - QM24 Renumberings (was: Q 58 Limited) |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat May 22 15:22:59 2010, in response to Proposed QM1 - QM1A - QM24 Renumberings (was: Q 58 Limited), posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat May 22 14:59:07 2010. Related: Not proposed here, but the QM2A should be renumbered to QM9. |
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