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Re: Pedestrians aren't the only ones who matter.

Posted by R30A on Sat Jan 14 19:31:54 2017, in response to Re: Pedestrians aren't the only ones who matter., posted by BrooklynBus on Sat Jan 14 18:47:27 2017.

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You are making no sense at all here. No one said anything about pedestrians and bus riders not mattering.
You are advocating against the improvements to save the lives of pedestrians and greatly improve bus service without any indication that it would actually harm automobile users. So yes, you are very much saying that.

I asked him a simple yes or no question and his response was that neither of us has proved anything which says absolutely nothing and avoids the question being asked.
When there is nothing to say, why would saying nothing be in any way bad?

I wasn't making any assumptions. I was using numbers that have already been quoted by other sources and proving my case that IT IS JUST IMPOSSIBLE to even hint that the numbers of those in cars and those in buses is anywhere near equal as fdtutf was claiming.
But he isn't claiming that. And it easily could be true in many portions of the road. (It doesn't matter if it is true or not, as nobody is claiming that.)

Now you are making an equally outrageous statement that the numbers of autos are inflated because many cars make multiple trips up and down the street while bus riders tend to make only one trip each way.
I am making no such claim.

Where is your proof of that? I forgot, you don't need any proof to make ridiculous statements which you then claim as fact.
I have no proof, nor any reason to provide any proof, FOR CLAIMS I DO NOT MAKE.

And what would be your rationale for claiming such anyway, that once you are in a car, it doesn't cost you more to keep driving up and down the street because it is so pleasant, while bus riders have to pay a separate fare each time?
No idea. I don't make any such claim.

Wrong. Each mile you drive cost you more gas.
Generally yes, unless you have an all electric car.

And weren't you the one who claimed that most bus riders have unlimited passes so double fares are not important?
I never made such a claim. It is true that a majority of riders use unlimiteds.

So I can claim that it is more likely that bus riders are more likely to make multiple trips than auto drivers since bus riders are paying a flat rate where as cars are paying extra for each mile driven.
I guess you can. I don't see what it has to do with the topic at hand.

So there goes that argument.
There goes the argument nobody was making.

Got any other ideas why 50,000 car crossings is not more than 33,000 bus riders?
Nobody is saying that it is.

That certainly is relevant data. So don't lie and say I am basing my conclusions on no data.
Actually it isn't, as it gives you no real information outside of that location.


If you take my conclusions as fact, bus lanes would be an inequitable use of space.
20% Bus users getting 1/4 lanes is certainly the most equitable distribution of resources. Congrats! You justified it!!!

I can just as easily twist what you say if I wanted to. So thanks for proving my case for me that SBS is a poor idea by hurting more than it helps.
Except that unlike you, I never actually said the things you say I do. And since Woodhaven SBS is projected to HELP THE 80% IN CARS. That is a REALLY hard argument to make.

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