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Re: Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?

Posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 22 00:31:32 2008, in response to Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by AlM on Thu Feb 21 13:35:08 2008.

Well, the pictures are certainly being held as evidence. If there is a strong enough case, it will come out in open court.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Feb 22 00:33:17 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by BMTLines on Thu Feb 21 12:04:47 2008.

Thank you. I've printed this and added it to my carry pack! :)

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Re: Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 00:36:22 2008, in response to Re: Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by AMoreira81 on Fri Feb 22 00:31:32 2008.

Or more likely the memory card and battery are in some cop's kid's camera tonight!!!

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Re: Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?

Posted by Nilet on Fri Feb 22 00:51:18 2008, in response to Re: Quick Trigger Fingers Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 00:36:22 2008.

Nah, I have the battery. Just the card. :(

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 00:56:18 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 14:33:58 2008.

I don't know and I don't care.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 01:20:40 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 14:31:39 2008.

I'm NOT having this argument with you anymore. All because you think you can take photos wherever you want to?
FINE, I ANNOUNCE THAT PHOTOGRAPHY IS LEGAL ANYWHERE AND EVERYWHERE!
Whatever! GO SHOOT AWAY! And I'm not the only one who thinks YOU ARE WRONG! And I checked that link you left thoroughly. I've said my say earlier and that's it! I really give up trying to get through to you nor do I care less anymore! I will do what I think is right and you will do what you think is right. I, for one, have no purpose to photograph any trains at Grand Central Terminal. I've done so in the past with no conflicts, thankfully.
Just kill this thread already and MOVE ON!!!

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 22 01:31:11 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Thu Feb 21 14:15:15 2008.

Then he should sue the MTA.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 22 01:35:41 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Train Dude on Thu Feb 21 22:14:17 2008.

You are probably older then Nilet though. Cops tend to zoom in on young males. Call it age-profiling.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 01:37:33 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 01:20:40 2008.

No need to get upset. Just a conversation that's all.

Maybe I have you confused but didn't you post where you were questioned by a cop when you were taking pictures from a public street and the cop told you not to come back and you said okay? I think that you may have a higher tolerance for that type of stuff than many of us.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 01:50:44 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 01:37:33 2008.

I'm not upset at you Easy. Yes, I was the one that was questioned for taking LIRR Pics From the 55 Ave Overpass in Elmhurst.
I wasn't looking for any conflicts at that time. I told them if I did anything wrong, I apologize and I did not know that there were any rules in regards to photography. They told me no there wasn't. But again, they did tell me not to return. And I haven't. Why? I don't have any reason to go there.
I can only tolerate so much. It has gotten to a level that is too much to handle.

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Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SMAZ on Fri Feb 22 02:04:59 2008, in response to Re: NOT ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Feb 21 11:42:31 2008.

What's even more interesting is that while the cop was harassing you, the guy on the RFW seemed to be shooting video.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 02:27:16 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 00:15:26 2008.

He was smiling too!

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 02:38:27 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008.

Hello,

I am a law student, and I'm currently working with the NYCLU on photography rights issues. Many of you might have heard about the lawsuit we filed last fall on behalf of Arun Wiita, a Columbia grad student who was handcuffed for taking pictures in and around a Manhattan subway station.

I'm posting in response to Nilet's recent account of his encounter with police at GCT. Nilet, I've sent you an e-mail; please post here if for some reason you didn't receive it.

For everybody else, the NYCLU is interested in knowing about any experiences you have being harassed or detained by police while taking photographs. We know that this problem is widespread and pernicious, and the more stories we can amass to help us prove it, the better for us to create some policy changes. So, if any of you get detained by police while photographing, please let me know--you can email me, call the NYCLU, or post here (listed in descending order of effectiveness). Informing us of what happened does not guarantee you any sort of representation, but NOT letting us know about it guarantees you NO representation. We do pay attention to what's happening on SubChat, so if you post here, we'll probably see it (but I can't guarantee it).

Thanks for taking the time to read this, and thanks in advance for helping us out!

---Tim

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 02:42:44 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 02:38:27 2008.

Cool. Sounds like you guys are on top of things. Unlike LA where all I got from the ACLU was a form letter about post 9/11 profiling which had nothing to do with photography.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 02:48:54 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 02:38:27 2008.

Although I've never had any problems myself, I commend CLU for getting involved in this issue and the hopeful solutions which will eventually emerge for the problem. One thing that would also be very helpful as an outcome is an official decision which these people can carry and make use of when challenged which will be suitable for the responding officer as a proper guidance.

THANK YOU for taking this up! Hopefully a reasonable solution can be arrived at for the benefit of all of these competing interests.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Feb 22 03:12:08 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 02:48:54 2008.

Yeah Nilet seems to be a magnet for these cops, I think he will really need all the help he can get if there's a need for a trial.

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Re: WD signals/ NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?

Posted by Jeff H. on Fri Feb 22 03:24:48 2008, in response to Re: NILET LIES TO US AND SCREWS UP?, posted by R30A on Thu Feb 21 13:31:25 2008.

What do you mean by "unfiltered"? AFAIK WD signals are lunar
whites the same as you'd see on A and B1 divisions with a single-shot
red/lw timer. They are driven by coded lighting energy (i.e.
they "flash"), but they don't deliver a concentrated burst of
light energy that a strobe or flash would.

As for your interpretation of the photography rules of NYCT,
it would appear that by a literal reading you are correct. However,
I can tell you that back during the time when a photo permit was
required (there are a number of us here who had one), it was clearly
understood that flash was prohibited, be it internal or external
(and yes, they had cameras with built-in flash even in those
prehistoric days).

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 03:42:02 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Grand concourse on Fri Feb 22 03:12:08 2008.

Well ... let's just say once, maybe twice, things happen. Sadly, I suspect there's more to Nilet's situation than just a camera. :(

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 05:06:56 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Fri Feb 22 00:33:17 2008.

>>>>...and added it to my carry pack! <<<

That thing must weigh uPwaRDS OF 100 pounds by now.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 06:42:46 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:13:46 2008.

Thank you. I appreciate it. You are very reasonable.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 06:46:01 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 00:56:18 2008.

Don't be stupid. You do know, you do care, but now you are being a sore loser because you were proven wrong. Be a man and OWN UP TO YOUR BLATANT MISTAKE.

You launched a diatribe against Nilet that was largely incorrect. You better believe that if you're going to give someone attitude while being completely wrong, you're going to get it right back. Hopefully next time you'll consider making sure you are correct before saying that type of stuff.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 06:46:23 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Railman718 on Fri Feb 22 00:13:46 2008.

lol

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 06:48:56 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 06:46:01 2008.

Do you really think he cares what you think? You insufferable little shit.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 06:51:47 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Bee Flexible #823 on Fri Feb 22 01:20:40 2008.

It's not an argument. You are 100$ incorrect, as has been proven here without a doubt by several people. But you aren't man enough to admit it.

And I'm not the only one who thinks YOU ARE WRONG!

No, you pretty much are.

And I checked that link you left thoroughly. I've said my say earlier and that's it!

So, what, you didn't understand it? Or you did understand it and you'rte not man enough to admit that you were wrong?

I really give up trying to get through to you nor do I care less anymore!

uuuuuuhhhhhhhhh, I understand perfectly fine what you were trying to say. But you were WRONG. That's what YOU don't seem to understand.

I will do what I think is right and you will do what you think is right. I, for one, have no purpose to photograph any trains at Grand Central Terminal.

So because you don't need to take photos at GCT, you think it's ok to lie to others and tell them that it is illegal? That's weird.

I've done so in the past with no conflicts, thankfully.

So you've done what you're saying is not allowed? Isn't that bad. By the way, I have taken tons and tons of photos at Grand Central. Look at my website.

Just kill this thread already and MOVE ON!!!

How about you admit you were wrong? Why can't you do that?

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 06:53:42 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Jeff Rosen on Wed Feb 20 21:52:01 2008.

Getting???

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 06:54:38 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 06:48:56 2008.

Do you really think I care what you think? You unsufferable big shit.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 06:56:10 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 03:42:02 2008.

IAWTP.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 06:59:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Feb 22 02:27:16 2008.

Quit yer grinnin', drop yer linen, and crack me a vertical smile! *g*

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 07:03:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Feb 21 18:05:43 2008.

It's beyond stupid, Ron. Thanks for pointing that out.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 07:09:12 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Feb 21 23:40:11 2008.

Terp, I have a suggestion. Next time Nilet goes to GCT to start filming, you should accompany him. Make sure you tell the cops and/or guardsmen why they're wrong when they stop him. Make sure you include all the details when you report to us about your arrest.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 07:09:50 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 07:09:12 2008.

Why would I do that?

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008, in response to ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Nilet on Wed Feb 20 20:45:31 2008.

I don't know any of you guys but it seems that you're all friends judging from photos of all of you that have appeared on this site from time to time, a group I'd love to be part of if I could so why don't several of you accompany Nilet to the area he was accosted in GCT for a few days at least if and when this shit happens again there will be witnesses and maybe a video of it which then could be released to the media.
Instead of some of you attacking him here you should all stick together after all this isn't only affecting Nilet but affects anyone who is pursuing his or her hobby and is no threat to anyone except the egos of these macho types who delight in making life hard for others. I can just see these guys in there locker room laughing and joking about how they harassed this guy taking photos..being the but of jokes at the expense of a law abiding citizen, I most likely would make the evening news ...some jerk taking my camera from me and ripping the battery off...there would be an immediate response from me probably decking this asshole and...most likely...me being pounced upon by the rest of these goons resulting in an extremely loud screaming by me being hauled away in chains..but rest assured I would have the media on this and my mug would be on the evening news....talk about a lawsuit whoa..this will never happen of course but my point is STICK TOGETHER this is the ONLY WAY you guys will win this, buggering and accusing doesn't accomplish anything...sticking together will. Karl M

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by kp5308 on Fri Feb 22 09:15:36 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008.

IAWTP

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 09:29:24 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 07:09:50 2008.

Why would you accompany him? Because you're such a staunch supporter of his right to film/take pictures, you would make a good witness. And if you start mouthing off to the cops how Nilet has the right to take pictures and they're wrong, you'll make an even better defendant.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 09:34:38 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Karl M, Ex New Yorker on Fri Feb 22 08:42:16 2008.

I assure you that "decking" a police officer is exactly th wrong thing to do in any situation... I fear that what would happen to you afterwards would not be pretty at all, and you'd also be brought up on perfectly valid charges of assaulting a police officer. If you decked the guy and the rest "pounced," you'd be very lucky if getting hauled away in chains was all that happened to you.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 09:45:34 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 09:34:38 2008.

Sarge, what do you expect would happen were Karl M to haul off a slug an officer?

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 09:46:11 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 09:45:34 2008.

"Haul off a slug..." LOL! Haul off AND slug an officer.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 09:49:58 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 09:29:24 2008.

That's pretty stupid and you know it.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 09:55:08 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 09:34:38 2008.

Unfortunately, we've seen WAY too many examples here of similar arrogance which is the reason why I responded earlier that it'd probably be best to try to get a written policy statement which could be carried by the innocent and let the chest-beaters suffer their own fate once the "rules of engagement" are legally defined with respect to "taking pictures." :(

I've personally witnessed the conduct of a small number of these "victims" and they're lucky that "harassment" was as far as it went. They're not even willing to "travel in simple pairs" in order to back each other up by providing "witness" on the behalf of one another in the event of one being accosted. :(

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:03:39 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 09:49:58 2008.




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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 10:13:29 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:03:39 2008.

Heh. PROFF!

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 10:18:09 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by Easy on Fri Feb 22 02:42:44 2008.

In LA a lot of the photography issues are usually handled quietly by the major film studios that operate there... Amateur photographers seem to be frowned upon, ignored, or despised as paparazzi there...

NYC OTOH has a lot of amateur / low budget photographers and film makers who have repeatedly encountered police harassment. They united to fight the proposed restrictions last year and have remained united to fight all harassment. It isn't just about rail photography - all street photography is under attack in NY.

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:18:57 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 10:13:29 2008.

No, that's not proff of anything. You are being stupid.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 10:21:02 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 09:55:08 2008.

There is a fine line between "arrogance" and physical attack. If you are stopped, you should use your judgment for that situation. Your safety should be your top concern, and generally, the more you can refrain from anything that could get you legitimately arrested, the better. But, you should also be able to voice your protest, and attempt to explain to police that what you are doing is perfectly legal (as long as you know you're right in doing so). Arrogance in standing up for your rights might be okay in many situations, but making any attempt to physically attack an officer is a different story entirely.

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:22:18 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:18:57 2008.

unwarranted personal attack

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:23:44 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:22:18 2008.

nope

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:24:24 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SelkirkTMO on Fri Feb 22 10:13:29 2008.

I think we should all start using your disclaimer.


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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:26:24 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Fri Feb 22 10:24:24 2008.

Ok.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!)

Posted by TimLawNYC on Fri Feb 22 10:26:56 2008, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COP— AGAIN! (PLEASE READ; NYCLU Needs Your Help!), posted by BMTLines on Fri Feb 22 10:18:09 2008.

Absolutely true. This problem is extremely widespread in "The Most Photographed City in the World." That's why the NYCLU is working so hard to get it changed. They've successfully countered the proposed MTA ban on photography and the Mayor's Office's draconian "permit" rules, so now it's on to getting change at the NYPD.

I should mention again that, though I'm working with the NYCLU, I'm still a law student, and NOTHING I say on this message board should EVER be construed as actual legal advice or as any sort of official statement of the NYCLU. Everything I post here is my own opinion or thoughts, nothing more.

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Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!

Posted by Dave on Fri Feb 22 10:45:30 2008, in response to Re: REEFED BY A COP— AGAIN!, posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Feb 22 10:23:44 2008.

Yes it is. Did he call you stupid? Then why call him stupid?

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