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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 16:57:33 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 07:13:18 2010. Bill: Sorry I know wrong thread tried to find the one you posted. But, I wanted to tell you that I got your calendar today and it is totally awesome, and now have to clean up all the foam :) |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Wed Sep 15 16:59:13 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Forgive me if this has been asked earlier but Since Sutphin Blvd. can accommodate a 600' train as can 34th Street and since the train will presumably operate non-stop, is it possible that the P train will be 10 car trains or are there some signal restrictions that would make that impossible? |
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Posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 15 17:00:21 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. The question is: Will this train be available to anyone with a metrocard or will NYCT conductors be walking up and down punching tickets? |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:08:30 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 15:17:03 2010. If the F goes down the local and they don't do anything dumb like schedule any GOs or slow-speed orders on QB, the E and P shouldn't have any issues co-existing. |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:12:42 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by TheCiskoKid on Wed Sep 15 16:59:13 2010. I may have missed an episode or two, but isn't there something about signal block size that also restricts train length along the el? |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 17:23:48 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 13:21:32 2010. But, if they are running to 145th Street, then they can still use R32'as without much deadheading.Raiding Fresh Pond yard would involve a lot of deadheading. I don't know why the just don't double "E" service to 4 minutes, run the F local. Sutphin - 34th takes about 34 minutes, The "P" will take around 45-50 minutes. |
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Posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 17:27:00 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Sep 15 11:23:41 2010. On a weekend, which way is "peak " and when ? |
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Posted by TheCiskoKid on Wed Sep 15 17:34:32 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:12:42 2010. Essentially, that is what I am asking. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Wed Sep 15 17:37:18 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dekatyou on Wed Sep 15 01:01:00 2010. So theoretically i could go to Jamaica and buy a ticket to NY penn in order to get on the P? |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 17:37:53 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:08:30 2010. Well, that is true. But, for now it seems it would be on the J. Maybe, if in the future it runs again maybe they can try that. We may see it if the LIRR's new control system fails. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 17:43:09 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 15 17:00:21 2010. Thats what I was thinking too! |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:43:24 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 17:37:53 2010. It really would be a dumb waste if they deadhead uptown instead of just sending it to QB. They might even generate a little good PR for themselves for providing even more service...but, nah...can't do stuff that would get more bang for the buck across the board. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 17:51:43 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:43:24 2010. Exactly. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 17:57:11 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 17:51:43 2010. How do you know that? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 17:57:21 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:43:24 2010. And you know this how? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 18:06:13 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 17:43:24 2010. If they provided more service somewhere, then everybody would bitch when it ended. Better not to tempt them. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 15 18:11:06 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Nilet on Wed Sep 15 17:00:21 2010. I don't remember what they were going to do when the P was going to run in June in the 1990's when Amtrak was going to strike. I know that the night before, I was all ready to go to Jamaica into the mayhem, just to be able to ride it (Back then was LONG before I ever road through Chrystie). Of course, that was stopped in the final hours, so it never came to pass. That time, Richmond Hill was going to be the transfer point for all diesel service, in which they would get off there and transfer to the J at 121st ST, so the P was going to use 121st St as a stop so people could get on from Richmond Hill. But of course, Richmond Hill was still a "real" station yet back then.In any event, I don't know if a metrocard would have cut it on the P train that time, (Well tokens actually). I don't know if I had a token ready, or was planning to buy a LIRR ticket at Jamaica in order to use it. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 18:24:35 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. This is one of the most interesting G.O I have ever seen, wow! I'm shocked no one mention that this could possibly use the express track between BJ and Myrtle, which is rarely used in revenue service. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 18:28:24 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 17:57:11 2010. It is a gut feeling. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 18:30:48 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 18:24:35 2010. IINM Railman mentioned it |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 18:30:54 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Joe V on Wed Sep 15 17:23:48 2010. Equipment will still have to be deadheaded to Jamaica for the start up service and Fresh Pond is closer than either 207 or Pitkin. Plus if the C is not eliminated for that day, there probably wouldn't be enough R-32s for both services even allowing for the possibility of some R-44s and 46s being used on the C to release R-32s for the P service. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:39:49 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 13:21:32 2010. My bad. I thought they were going to run via Queens Blvd. It's gonna be a noisy weekend on Jamaica Ave. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:41:23 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 14 21:53:37 2010. More options means more confusion. LIRR riders are, for the most part, spoiled idiots. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:42:29 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:41:23 2010. No offense to the mostly educated, intelligent, salt of the Earth type LIRR riders who regularly post here.Whew. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 18:46:58 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 08:32:36 2010. Except you have a lot of deadheading:If you're going to do that, at least have the P in service from 34-145 as an express (stopping at A stations before terminating on the lower level of 145). To me, the better idea here would be to have the Jamaica Center loop (Jamaica lower level to 34th as planned, then via the regular weekday E route to Jamaica Upper Level. If the F being there is an issue, for that weekend only the F is a local with the R and is shortened to 71st-Continental while the E for the weekend has its Queens terminal changed to 179 (running via the F after 71-Continental), with the P replacing the E for Jamaica Van Wyck, Sutphin and Jamaica upper. Those looking for lower Manhattan from Queens can make an easy transfer at 42nd. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 18:51:52 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by LRG5784 on Wed Sep 15 10:02:32 2010. So, as said, for the weekend, have the F run local and shorten it to 71-Continental while E goes to 179 and the P is a Jamaica Center loop, running as planned to 34 and then via the regular weekday E route, but going as some E's in rush hours do to 179. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 18:52:18 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 18:46:58 2010. No that makes no sense.First off, this service is being ran for LIRR riders not NYCT riders and most likely LIRR is footing the bill so unfair to make them pay for all that. Making F local can cost $$, but can be done. If running any express via local you do not want the R to still terminate at CTL as it will create a bottleneck. Extend R to 179 w/F and E and P go to JC. Point is moot though since it will run on J only. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 19:01:40 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 14:42:43 2010. And that's why what I would do is:P is the Jamaica Center Loop, running with the J on the lower level and by itself on the upper level, running the regular weekday E route from 34-JC upper and replacing the E after Van Wyck Blvd. E has its terminal switched to 179. Given there are some E trains that still start/finish there in rush hours and the fact a good number of F riders there are looking for the E at some point, it would not be the worst thing. F is local in Queens, with its route shortened to 71-Continental. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:05:55 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 16:57:33 2010. Bill: I wanted to tell you that I got your calendar today and it is totally awesome, and now have to clean up all the foam :)Thank you for your compliment The covers have a high gloss UV coating to easily remove foam ! : ) Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:07:09 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Railman718 on Wed Sep 15 10:19:27 2010. Between Supthin Blvd and 34th and 8th.That's using the Archer Ave. subway, right ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 19:11:13 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Wed Sep 15 11:23:41 2010. Which is why I would have the E switched to 179, the F shortened to 71-Continental (running local) and the P running the E's regular route north of 34th and in Queens so it can run the Jamaica Center loop. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:14:52 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 11:11:25 2010. This is a service for the LIRR folks who would normally not have stops bet. Jamaica & NYP, and since Woodside isn't bet. there it should be non-stopAnother plus to this service is those people who usually continue their trips by subway and paying a fare are already in the 'system', saving a $2.25 fare. NYCT will be honoring LIRR tickets at Sutphin-Archer, right ? Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 19:17:00 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:05:55 2010. Good thing too otherwise I'd have to order a new one :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 15 19:17:30 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 15 09:56:40 2010. The J line can much easier absorb all the extra trains needed.Furthermore, depending on where you are going, the J line is actually faster, WITH STOPS, than the E train is. For example, if using Chambers St as a zero point, the J gets there faster than the E train. But that is with J/Z skip stop service. A more super express J would get to Penn almost as fast as the E would, and that line can absorb the extra trains needed, while the E can't. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:18:29 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. (P) trains, running on the Broadway 'el' with maybe R-32's running ?We all know where the railfan community will be on that weekend. LOL Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 19:20:05 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:14:52 2010. That is true. That would be a nice way to compensate the pax for the hassle.Yes, I believe so. I imagine the LIRR will give out some type of transfer, but not sure about the return. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 19:25:13 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 18:28:24 2010. Your gut must be wrong then. They DO do things that get more bang for the buck across the board. So you were agreeing with faulty reasoning. Just letting you know... |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 19:31:42 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:39:49 2010. I was suggesting they send them through QB for JC-JC service along both routes instead of deadheading uptown or screwing things up with switching at Penn. |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 19:32:49 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:18:29 2010. We all know where the railfan community will be on that weekendYep. Not to mention that if this "P" route uses R160s, they would venture somewere they don't normally go in service (CPW)... Heck, if it uses R32s they would venture somewere they don't normally go (Eastern Div). |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 19:35:51 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Sep 15 19:25:13 2010. Ok |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 15 19:42:30 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 19:32:49 2010. I haven't seen the R32's in the East since the 80's on the M. I think the last time they were on the J was perhaps in the 70's (there's a photo of one at 168th St on the J). I rode them on the M, never saw them on the J. |
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Posted by Larry,RedbirdR33 on Wed Sep 15 19:55:03 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 19:18:29 2010. We all know where the railfan community will be on that weekend. LOLI'll be looking forward to it Bill. I've been waiting a long time to take a "P" on the subway. Larry, RedbirdR33 |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Wed Sep 15 19:58:04 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 18:42:29 2010. I think NYCT wants to separate regular subway riders from LIRR riders.E and F trains are usually fit for Queens Blvd passengers in Queens, but they cannot carry all LIRR customers without chaos. (Look at PATH trains when NJ Transit and Amtrak trains are suspended....33rd Street station' gates are fully opened and NO ONE PAY FOR TICKET including regular passengers because of it.....NYCT does not want this situation.) And NYCT should consider mid stop passengers. At 53rd Street-Lex. Av station, there are a lot of passengers. (And due to station design, west-end of platform are always jammed....)They do not think train passing in front of them. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Wed Sep 15 20:03:41 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Sep 15 19:42:30 2010. They were on the J during the R30GOH program..they replaced the 27/30 for the duration of the time they were out. |
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Posted by Newkirk Images on Wed Sep 15 20:10:47 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by r33/r36 mainline on Wed Sep 15 19:32:49 2010. Heck, if it uses R32s they would venture somewere they don't normally go (Eastern Div).Let's all pray for sunshine that weekend. Bill Newkirk |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 20:16:36 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 19:35:51 2010. No, neither you nor I are wrong. If they just deadhead uptown to turn the trains, they will waste the crew time and money that could and should be used to provide greater capacity between Jamaica and Penn with JC-JC service. |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 20:25:48 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 20:16:36 2010. Yes I see that now it is a waste of time and $$ |
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Posted by arnine on Wed Sep 15 20:26:10 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 20:16:36 2010. Yes I see that now it is a waste of time and $$ and should send it as a loop. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Sep 15 21:53:57 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 20:16:36 2010. And exactly how are all those trains going to turn at Jamaica Center upper? |
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Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Sep 15 22:05:00 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Sep 15 21:53:57 2010. You obviously didn't read it or understand we've been talking about running from JC to JC via QB and Chrystie. Or that the "P" would probably be 4-5tph. |
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