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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010 http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/amtrak-awards-466-million-contract-for-70-new-electric-locomotives-106156093.htmlImproved performance and reliability for Northeast passenger rail services SACRAMENTO, Calif., Oct. 28 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- As part of a comprehensive plan to modernize and expand its fleet of equipment, Amtrak is buying 70 new electric locomotives to provide improved performance and reliability for its Northeast intercity passenger rail services. The six-year, $466 million contract was awarded to Siemens and will create 250 jobs primarily at a facility in Sacramento, California, but also at plants in Norwood, Ohio and Alpharetta, Georgia. (Photo: http://photos.prnewswire.com/prnh/20101028/DC91282) (Photo: http://www.newscom.com/cgi-bin/prnh/20101028/DC91282) "Amtrak is a critical transportation provider in the Northeast and modern locomotives are essential to meet the service reliability expectations of our passengers and for us to handle the growing ridership demand in the coming years," said President and CEO Joseph Boardman. Boardman explained the first Amtrak Cities Sprinter ACS-64 electric locomotive is to be delivered in February 2013 and will operate at speeds up to 125 mph (201 kph) on the Northeast Corridor from Washington, D.C. to Boston and up to 110 mph (177 kph) on the Keystone Corridor from Philadelphia to Harrisburg, Pa. They will replace locomotives in service between 20 and 30 years with average mileage of 3.5 million miles traveled. "Amtrak's order for 70 new electric locomotives will not only create new manufacturing jobs, it supports the Department of Transportation's strategy to use transportation to build the infrastructure needed to support a modern growing economy, while helping make our cities more livable, improve the environment and reduce our dependence on foreign oil," said Joseph C. Szabo, Federal Railroad Administrator. "This new equipment will go far in meeting the rapidly growing demand for intercity passenger rail service in the Northeast." etc etc etc |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Oct 28 21:53:56 2010, in response to Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010. This will be interesting to see!! Hopefully nothing that resembles the new ALP designs!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 28 21:55:46 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Oct 28 21:53:56 2010. Not quite, but I think you're gonna laugh . . . |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Oct 28 22:36:21 2010, in response to Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010. 
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 28 23:56:36 2010, in response to Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010. Et cetera indeed. Eurosprinters for Amtrak; that'll please some railfans on here for sure. At $6.7 million per unit, they'd better be worth it. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 29 00:40:17 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Oct 28 23:56:36 2010. Eurosprinters for AmtrakSupposedly, they're based on a new successor design known as the Vectron. They'll also be available in a diesel design for the railways that need it. One could argue that future similarity between future diesels and electrics may have played a role, and some may suspect Amtrak just simply wanted something other than BBD or Alstom given their past history. As with all things, I await the lawsuit. :-) FWIW, like the HHP-8s, it's from a company that has no shared lineage with the AEM-7s. In contrast, the ALP-44, ALP-46/A follow the trail from ASEA to ABB to AdTranz to Bombardier. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Oct 29 02:03:13 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 29 00:40:17 2010. Wow, that looks like a nice engine indeed. It would be interesting to see a version of these on the Northeast Corridor.These new engines won't, um, replace ALL of the AEM-7s, will they? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Oct 29 02:48:46 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Fri Oct 29 02:03:13 2010. It would be interesting to see a version of these on the Northeast Corridor.Given that Amtrak's only electrified service is on the Northeast Corridor (and that dinky spur to Harrisburg), it's highly likely that you'll see them on the Northeast Corridor. :-) These new engines won't, um, replace ALL of the AEM-7s, will they? IIRC, the plan is to replace some of the older unrefurbished AEM-7s, but eventually to replace the refurbished AEM-7s and the HHP-8s to create one uniform electric fleet. Supposedly, per railfan rumours, the HHP-8s have been a disappointment, the older AEM-7s aren't as reliable as desired, and like the ALP-44, parts are slowly becoming a problem to procure. Some would argue that an overhaul should extend the AEM-7's lifespan, but logistics of the overhaul programme for ACs left Amtrak in questionable situation with locomotives stuck waiting for the ONIX IGBT motors to come from France which left a bit of stress on the electric fleet. FWIW, one could argue that since the Rc fleet (which served as the base of the AEMs) in Sweeden is still operating, Amtrak should be able to keep the AEMs in operation. Of course, nobody ever wonders if our friends at Amtrak have followed the same maintenance regime as their colleagues at SJ, and if it's just simply too expensive to follow such a maintenance regime in the States... |
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Posted by Hoghead on Fri Oct 29 03:00:29 2010, in response to Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010. I do hope the specs include requirements for operating at full power for extended periods with an ambient temperature of 110 degrees. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Oct 29 07:47:14 2010, in response to Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Thu Oct 28 21:52:29 2010. I guess its understandable that Amtrak must replace rolling when the political winds allow them funding to do so, but there were years left in those AEM'7s and the combination of AESA, EMD and Budd resulted in an engine that is reliable, rugged and just won't quit. Hell I think they even look good and the compact size makes the performance all the more impressive. If it weren't for their unreliable budgeting process I'll bet Amtrak could have held onto at least the AC's for a total of 40 or 50 years like the GG-1's before them, but instead they caught NJT syndrome, ie replacing equipment just because someone drops off a catalog.The more important question is what sort of shape will Amtrak's AEM's and HHP-8s be left in when they are retired and who might be able to use them. With both NJT and Amtrak shedding electric locomotives well before their time I almost feel that we need to electrify more lines to be able to properly utilize our existing investment in rolling stock. I am sure parts from the DC's will go to SEPTA and MARC to keep their classic AEM-7's rolling for the full 40, but will MARC seize the initiative and take over enough units to dump diesel operation from the NEC entirely? How many electrics would the MBTA need to dump diesels from the Providence Line? In both those cases if Amtrak is over charging for electric power could someone from the Obama Administration give Amtrak a little dope slap telling them to stop? |
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Posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Oct 29 09:17:08 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Oct 29 07:47:14 2010. For MARC, the deal isn't that they don't want to shed diesels on the Penn Line, it's that Amtrak hits them with their share of the already high power bill when they do run electrics.Of course, MARC is a lame joke of an agency. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Oct 29 09:38:25 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Oct 29 09:17:08 2010. Amtrak needs a talking to from some folks in Washington about its electric power policy. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 20:51:12 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Oct 29 07:47:14 2010. there were years left in those AEM'7sYup, just like there are still years in NJT's 14-year-old ALP-44s that are getting retired because the MLVs are just too beastly. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 20:53:14 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Scrabbleship on Fri Oct 29 09:17:08 2010. What high power bill? Making things up in your head again?It's Amtrak that runs the trains on the Penn Line, you know. So Amtrak has to run the diesels too when they run, and Amtrak gets liable if things get screwed up thanks to their operation of those diesels. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 20:53:45 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Hoghead on Fri Oct 29 03:00:29 2010. One never knows. Those kind of days aren't common in Europe. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Oct 29 22:13:16 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Oct 29 07:47:14 2010. Besides a certifiable trespasser, your now a expert on 35 year old Amtrak Locomotives ???The AEM-7 and AEM-7AC need replacement the AEM-7's will live on as cabbage cars on NEC as per Amtrak planning. Putting all new components in a stainless steel box still leaves you with a 35 year old locomotive costing a lot of million dollars. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Oct 29 22:15:20 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 20:51:12 2010. also the ALP-44 need a multi-Million dollar rebuild according to NJT's own press releases.So do they have economic life left in them ?? maybe as Amtrak Cabbage cars but not as locomotives. |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Oct 29 22:19:04 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Hoghead on Fri Oct 29 03:00:29 2010. Don't you worry your little (hog) head over it |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 22:27:30 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Oct 29 22:15:20 2010. Why would the ALP-44 need a rebuild so soon? NJT says a lot of hot air in their press releases, so I take it all with a grain of salt.Looks like PR Newswire still wants a password. For those that haven't seen the image, the NY Times has it.  |
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Posted by Dutchrailnut on Fri Oct 29 22:39:26 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 22:27:30 2010. now compare that to Siemens VEctron and you got yourself a Amtrak engine.http://www.treinreiziger.nl/userfiles/image/artikel/600/vectron1.jpg |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 30 09:57:43 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 22:27:30 2010. HID-E-OUS!!!!!!! ARRRRRRGGGHHHHHH!!!! >:-P |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 30 09:58:23 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 30 09:57:43 2010. Hope it looks better actually built than on paper!!! >:-P |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Oct 30 13:21:51 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Oct 30 09:58:23 2010. You're gonna see that on the New Haven Line sooner than ye think . . . better learn to love it more than the MLVs . . . |
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Posted by Paul Mr. J train on Sat Oct 30 17:06:58 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 22:27:30 2010. Looks like the stuff PKP (Polish State Railways) just picked a a few years ago also from Siemens |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Oct 30 18:03:48 2010, in response to Re: Amtrak , Siemens it is, 70 new electrics, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Oct 29 22:27:30 2010. Its looks decent, I hope they have white beacon lights on em like the AEM7s do and WABCO AA2 horns. Lots of great news coming from the railroads, Septa has new MUs, This story, MN and the M8s, etc hopefully NJT will pop up in the news with Arrow IVs, or hovercats lol. |
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