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P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010 See Subject Line - For one weekend only |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Sep 14 20:28:11 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. This I take is due to the LIRR's switchover to their new control center?? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:31:22 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by arnine on Tue Sep 14 20:28:11 2010. You take correctly |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 20:32:48 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Will they be signed as P trains, or will they just be rerouted J and/or E trains?Or will this be the long-fantasized Jamaica Center Lower to Jamaica Center Upper route via 8th Avenue? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Sep 14 20:36:43 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:31:22 2010. Cool, thanks for the heads up and info :) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Sep 14 20:42:47 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Hmm...reprogrammed R-160s with temporary signage, I would imagine? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Tue Sep 14 20:47:26 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. What exactly is the route of a (P) train? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 20:47:27 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. what route will it take? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Tue Sep 14 20:51:23 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Wow, a foamers delight. Thanks a million for the heads up. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:55:44 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 20:47:27 2010. I'm only guessing: non stop Supthin Blvd. to 34/8 via the E line?At 42/8 they can come into the express track and relay on the spur track. Just a thought. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:57:06 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:55:44 2010. Actually relay at 145th St. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:58:52 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Mr. MTA on Tue Sep 14 20:47:26 2010. Via J through Christie cut - up 6th Ave to W4th then up 8th Ave to 34th & 8th. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:59:51 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:57:06 2010. Now I'm completely lost......can't have a thing to do with LIRR then. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:00:37 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:58:52 2010. cool, but why not via the E line? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:00:55 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:59:51 2010. Why not? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:02:02 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:00:37 2010. Queens Blvd capacity I'd imagine. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 21:02:26 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:59:51 2010. OK, got it from another post. From Supthin/Archer via the J line, then north via the Chrystie cut and relay at 145.Can still go non stop Supthin-34/8 |
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Posted by 9 local on Tue Sep 14 21:03:07 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:57:06 2010. Yep, express thru Chrystie, across at W4, discharge at 34th Street, relay at 145LL. Not news to me ;-). |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:05:38 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:02:02 2010. i see. thanks for the answer! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:07:11 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Ahhh, the "fun" of that train is over now that the M uses the Chrystie Cut every day now.... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:08:53 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:57:06 2010. So they are deadheading all the way to 145th from 34th? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:09:55 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:58:52 2010. Wow, they are making full use of the fact that the Chystie cut is in normal revenue use.... |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 21:10:45 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 20:32:48 2010. I could just imagine the scheduling demands that need to happen here to pull off a JC-L to JC-U with stops at Jamaica Center-Lower, Sutphin/Archer-Lower (Jamaica Station), Broadway Junction (Transfer to the L for East New York, the A for Nostrand Avenue, and the C for Atlantic Terminal), 34th/8th (Penn Station), Roosevelt (7 to Woodside), Continental (Forest Hills), Union Turnpike (Kew Gardens), Sutphin/Archer-Upper (Jamaica again), and Jamaica Center-Upper.J trains would need to be scheduled so that they immediately follow P trains, and operate at a frequency that allows them to use the Crescent Street pocket as a passing siding. M shuttle service would need to either be bustituted or extended to Chambers Street. C train service would probably need to run express from Canal to 59th Street, leaving the E as the only route to serve the 8th Avenue local stations. The P uses those tracks as well, but they of course, have only one stop. In northern Queens, the E and F would probably need to run local, with the R either delaying service on the E and F lines at Forest Hills, or running to 179th Street. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 21:16:06 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:02:02 2010. Why not send the R to 179, and have everything "normal" run local from Queens Plaza to Briarwood?I'm sure Queen Blvd local could handle the E, F, and R on the local tracks if the R didn't terminate at Continental. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:16:15 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by 9 local on Tue Sep 14 21:03:07 2010. I wonder why :-) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:17:03 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:07:11 2010. It's rapid transit - not an amusement park :-) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:18:36 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:09:55 2010. The "P" through the Chrisgtie cut has been an option for years. Last time was when an AMTRAK strike threatened to close Penn Station. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:19:51 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 21:16:06 2010. Aparently those making the decision disagreed. My opinion was never asked :) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:40:36 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:58:52 2010. will it make all stops or run non-stop? |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:42:38 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:40:36 2010. I heard that it will run non-stop. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:43:27 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:40:36 2010. Or to paraphrase George Carlin, you want it to make at least one stop. |
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Posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:47:11 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:42:38 2010. ok thanks for the heads up! r160s right? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Sep 14 21:50:23 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:18:36 2010. Yes, I was all set to ride that in the 90's when that happened, but the strike was cancelled at the last minute. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 14 21:53:37 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 21:00:55 2010. Why not?If there's a way to do less with more effort and cost, the TA will choose it. The name of the game is to get passengers back and forth between Jamaica and Penn Sta. The best way to do this would be for a loop from Sutphin to Penn Sta via the J/Chrystie/W4 to Sutphin via the E. That means people at Sutphin will have 2 trains going to Penn Sta plus regular E service. It also means that people at Penn Sta will have 2 trains going to Sutphin plus regular E service. That's 33% more service than relaying at 145th (or any place else) will provide. The only downside, is that the Queens Blvd express track may be overwhelmed in the unlikely event that the E+F+P approaches 30 tph. There has been precedent for that event in the last few months: run the F as a local. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Sep 14 22:10:03 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Steve check yer mail when you get a chance thanks... |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Sep 14 22:11:49 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. "The P is going to run", "The P is running non-stop". I can see why the MTA has withheld from using this letter. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 14 22:24:15 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Stephen Bauman on Tue Sep 14 21:53:37 2010. That's 33% more service than relaying at 145th (or any place else) will provide.That's 50% not 33% more service (uptown P, downtown P plus the E) vs. P in one direction plus the E. |
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Posted by monorail on Tue Sep 14 22:34:55 2010, in response to P Train Will Run In October, posted by Train Dude on Tue Sep 14 20:25:35 2010. Is Transit going to advise people that they can take a 'P' in the subway, and not recieve a ticket for doing so???? |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Sep 14 23:20:10 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 21:02:26 2010. Oh no, you know what this means? Someone's wish sorta came true. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Lou From Middletown NY on Tue Sep 14 23:46:17 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Sep 14 22:11:49 2010. A P special 'Take a P to Penn' 'This is the last P' Instead of the LIRR, you need to take a P today That P overshot the platform at Penn And if there was a local version....would it not be the PP?? so irresistible! |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Dekatyou on Wed Sep 15 01:01:00 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by monorail on Tue Sep 14 22:34:55 2010. Issuing yellow transfer at station.(It is very easy to separate LIRR passengers because they must have valid LIRR ticket.) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 03:05:28 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Tue Sep 14 20:55:44 2010. What spur track? There is no spur track anywhere on the IND between 42/8 and 72 St and the one at 72 can't be used to turn from N/B to S/B. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Sep 15 03:12:28 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Randyo on Wed Sep 15 03:05:28 2010. Perhaps he's thinking of 42 lower? Which of course is an accident waiting to happen if there were even switches still there for it. :) |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 03:28:08 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Dj Hammers on Tue Sep 14 21:47:11 2010. It would have to use R32's, The R32's only Have the (P) signs, I don't think the R160's have the (P) on their program, so it would have to be R32's, Can't wait. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 03:42:59 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Sep 14 21:10:45 2010. I don't think the (C) would run on that weekend, This Line might use its R32's, unless the run a Mixure of R46's and R32's on it, 207th has 240 of the 152 of the are used on the (C), about 14 of them are use as refuse motors, totaling to 164 cars, so yeah they will have enough cars, the (P) would be 8 cars anyway. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Wed Sep 15 04:44:49 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 03:28:08 2010. They can create a program for the P, or they can just sign the trains as SPECIAL and use manual announcements. Lots of other options that don't necessarily require the use of R32s. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Fred G on Wed Sep 15 04:49:31 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 03:28:08 2010. I don't think how the car is signed is going to dictate what car is used. It's non stop anyway.your pal, Fred |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 05:04:32 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 03:42:59 2010. Or the R44's get a weekend reprieve. I think they want to use 600' trains and using the R32's means massive cutting/connecting. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by R32_3671 on Wed Sep 15 05:09:39 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Sep 15 05:04:32 2010. They can still run the (C) while running this with R32's, I rather that than the peice of shit R160. |
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Re: P Train Will Run In October |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Wed Sep 15 05:27:58 2010, in response to Re: P Train Will Run In October, posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Sep 14 23:20:10 2010. Actually:For this, the Jamaica Center loop (upper to lower level and back) would make the most sense to me, with for the weekend the E's re-routed to 179 and the F shortened to 71-Continental and running local with the R. That's how I would do it anyway. |
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