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New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:00:32 2010 A much earlier version (3 years ago?) prohibited photography until a local transit advocate pointed out to them that other agencies were getting sued trying to enforce such laws. Amazing how long it took to finally pass! Now we have a Transit Adjudication Court which IINM means that you don't have an option for a jury and that you are not technically found guilty, but a judge "finds" that the charges are supported or not. Or maybe I just made that up...Here's the new code of conduct. One interesting feature is that excessive odors are prohibited (we have a pretty bad homeless problem on the blue and red lines). I'm not sure how legal that is or isn't. The rules against placing bags on seats or otherwise taking up more than one seat are also new. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by arnine on Thu Jul 22 22:09:13 2010, in response to New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:00:32 2010. Hmmmm... maybe they shoould have public showers available to ensure adherence to the no excessive odors lolGlad to see it is allowing photography :) |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 22 22:25:06 2010, in response to New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:00:32 2010. It's nice of them to put in print what we already knew re: photography. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:32:22 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 22 22:25:06 2010. True. They aren't even bad on photography anymore. When was the last time that Salaam or I said that we were stopped? Years. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:36:44 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by arnine on Thu Jul 22 22:09:13 2010. Hopefully the turnstiles (that are yet to be locked) will help. It's weird how I rarely see them give a summons or even ask for a ticket from the people that are obviously homeless. They are compassionate (plus they know that they won't pay any fine) but at some point when odors are really offensive something has to be done. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu Jul 22 22:56:11 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:36:44 2010. Send the vehicle to the car wash. With the windows open.
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 22 23:31:52 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:32:22 2010. That's good to know, as I hope to come out there for the MBS show in April 2012. Will stay a couple extra days to railfan the parts of the system I haven't been on (Red Line past Hollywood & Vine, the entire Gold Line, and the then-open Expo Line! (only to La Cienega though, don't think Robertson will be open by then). I never had problems photographing rail when I was out there, only problem of any kind I had was this bitch pulling out of Division 18, in a then-brand new CNG Neoplan (6319). Ho actually turned around and returned to challenge me. Wonder how she explained arriving late for her run. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 23:36:44 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by FYBklyn1959 on Thu Jul 22 23:31:52 2010. You haven't been to LA in a while! |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by George Foelschow on Fri Jul 23 02:53:37 2010, in response to New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:00:32 2010. Interesting. The mind boggles at the thought of how many staff hours were expended, plus the cost, to produce what is obviously a draft document, given the schedule outlined in Attachment C.I would be embarrassed by numerous spelling errors: "implimentation", "guiding principal" (should be "principle"), and "dependant". Section 6-05-080, Paragraph C, requires patrons to provide "accurate and complete information and documentation" when lawfully requested. Does this mean Metro will require documentation from the undocumented? Shades of Arizona. Paragraph F in the same section contains Metro's dress code, requiring patrons to wear a shirt, pants or skirt, and shoes. No blouses, robes, nuns' habits, or burkas? |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 23 07:14:28 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by George Foelschow on Fri Jul 23 02:53:37 2010. A blouse is a shirt. A robe or nun habit (how many still wear those!?) is like a dress, and as for burkas they should be outlawed, as you don't know who or what is under there. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by arnine on Fri Jul 23 07:49:35 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:36:44 2010. Yes, I hope that helps. They need to lock them already. |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 23 08:03:03 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jul 23 07:14:28 2010. No. a skirt is a flowing garment from the waist down.A dress is a flowing garment from the shoulders down, usually with a cinture at the waist. A blouse is a shirt that is worn with a skirt. It can also be a man's dress shirt. A habit, nuns or monks, is a dress hanging from the shoulders with a cincture at the waist. Ours it worn with a scapular over the dress or cassock as us guys would prefer to call it.
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 23 10:00:09 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 23:36:44 2010. Yeah, the bitch incident took place in Nov. 1997. I moved to So. Florida July 1998. Returned for a week in late June 1999, but haven't been back since. It's possible that all the buses that were active at that time will be gone (except possibly the MTA 6700s-as for the municipal lines, Santa Monica might still have some of its 1997 New Flyer D40LFs, Torrance Transit may have their 1997 Phantoms, but the Culver City, Long Beach Transit and Gardena fleets will have completely turned over (I didn't really follow any of the other municipal agencies)). |
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Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography |
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Posted by Dave on Fri Jul 23 13:03:06 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jul 23 08:03:03 2010. Elias, what is the significance of the rope/belt worn with the cassock? |
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Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri Jul 23 14:21:41 2010, in response to Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:32:22 2010. i stay in the public areas and follow the rules and obey themplus i stay out of the way of transit ops |
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Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Easy on Thu Jul 29 23:57:38 2010, in response to New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography, posted by Easy on Thu Jul 22 22:00:32 2010. I just saw from a link on the Metro blog that the photography rules prevent photography inside a train. I've seen these rules many times and don't recall that particular one.No photography inside moving trains for privacy and safety reasons. I'm not even sure what that means. Is it against the rules to take picture out the window while seated? How is that unsafe? |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri Jul 30 06:04:41 2010, in response to Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by Easy on Thu Jul 29 23:57:38 2010. LOL |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 30 09:44:33 2010, in response to Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by Easy on Thu Jul 29 23:57:38 2010. Pure speculation on my part, but maybe MTA put that in there to avoid potential problems where someone might object to being in a picture (pretty much unavoidable for an interior shot, unless the car is relatively empty (and from what I've read, that is almost never the case on the Blue Line at any time of day)). Or MTA may have some other stupid reason. |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Randyo on Fri Jul 30 14:36:05 2010, in response to Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 30 09:44:33 2010. So just wait till the train stops ant then take your photo. |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 30 16:20:46 2010, in response to Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by Randyo on Fri Jul 30 14:36:05 2010. That's harder because people are getting on and off and a photographer could be in the way or not have a sight line to whatever they were aiming towards. |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 30 16:21:49 2010, in response to Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 30 09:44:33 2010. Yes, I think that's why they did it, but couldn't people have the same objection on a platform? |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 30 22:15:57 2010, in response to Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by Easy on Fri Jul 30 16:20:46 2010. Doesn't really matter to me as I'm not really into interior pics, plus I got some of the Blue Line early on:   The above 3 were taken on June 26th, 1990, a few weeks before the Blue Line officially opened. They had a series of preview rides in the month of June. Basically, they were running the full schedules to get the T/Os used to things, so on selected days, they allowed the public on certain segments. The 26th was the last of the rides, they went from Pico (then the north terminal) to Washington. The Saturday before, I rode from Artesia to 103rd Street (I think). The other segments, which I didn't ride were Vernon to Firestone, and Del Amo to Anaheim (the initial south terminal) For the record, none of the people in the second pic objected to my taking a pic :)    These last 3 pics I took after service had started. Was in early February 1991, before the 7th St/Metro Center station opened (on 2/14/91). They started running trains down to 7MC 2 weeks prior to the opening, again to acclimate the T/Os. They would fumigate at Pico n/b and run light to 7MC, take the recovery, then run light to Pico and load up. Was weird catching a train at Pico on Track 2 (s/b track), before, the train would dwell at Pico on track 1, then crossover to track 2 just south of Pico Blvd (I think I posted a pic of the crossover in my Blue Line 20th anniversary post a few weeks ago). Anyway, it was relatively early on a Saturday morning (around 9 AM maybe), I was in the 2nd car, and I was the only one there! The entrance to Pico station was at the front (I think now you can enter from either end, but I'm not 100% sure about that), so people tended to board the first car. Same thing for Grand station. San Pedro boarded from the rear southbound, so some ppl may have boarded, but on this occasion, I got off there to do some bus spotting at nearby Division 2, located at San Pedro St & 16 St, right by the Santa Monica Freeway. Div. 2 had been closed as an operating division from September 1985 to December 1990 (not sure why, maybe a cost-cutting move by RTD), but it wasn't necessarily dormant during that time. I think the cash counting department was there for awhile (it's since moved, IIRC). Also, the RTD Police were based there for awhile, and during parts of 1986 and 1987, it actually hosted Division 1 buses, while that facility (on Alameda & 6th St) was being renovated. At the 12/90 shakeup, they started operating limited service at D2, weekday-only helper runs on the 420 and 424 (these were express lines to the SF Valley via the Hollywood Freeway, which had previously operated solely from Division 8 (Chatsworth Division in the RTD days, now West Valley division). RTD wanted to cut down on the deadhead time on runs originating in downtown LA, so they gave those runs to D2. D8 transferred 31 1984 Neoplan AN440As (3441-3471) to D2 to run this service. But 31 revenue buses in a yard that could hold 150 (strictly my guesstimate) leaves lots of room for other buses. So they staged newly arrived buses there, on this occasion, I was checking out the brand new Flxible Metros (2800s). They also stored some out of service buses there. Finally in June 1992, Division 2 became a full operating division once again, and has remained so. |
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Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography) |
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Posted by Easy on Fri Jul 30 22:36:58 2010, in response to Re: Not so fast (Re: New LACMTA code of conduct allows photography), posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Jul 30 22:15:57 2010. Cool. Thanks for sharing. I wasn't in LA when the blue line opened and even after I moved here I didn't ride it until I moved to Long Beach in the mid-90's.The entrance to Pico station was at the front (I think now you can enter from either end, but I'm not 100% sure about that), so people tended to board the first car. Yeah, when they lengthened the platforms they must have added another entrance because you can now board Pico and Washington from either end. The south end of Pico is still much busier because that's where all of the bus connections are. Grand is more evenly distributed because most LA Trade Tech students use the north end, but south is still busier. FTR this touches on why I always usually try to ride the southern end of the trains. This is especially true heading north but I do it no matter which way I'm headed. The blue line platform entrances aren't distributed very evenly. From Willow to 7th/metro heading north, IIRC the only stations that have entrances on the south end are: Willow, Wardlow, Firestone, Slauson, Grand and Pico. When headed north on the weekends the first two cars can be very crowded witha couple dozen standing yet there may still be empty seats in the last car. |
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