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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010 Last May I took another trip on Amtrak's Pennsylvanian between Philly and Pittsburgh. Like my previous trip I bought a business class ticket so I could have access to the rear railfan window. This time around I had much more sunlight available, better weather and an implied verbal consent to stand in the rear vestibule. As a result I managed to take a picture of EVERY signal between ZOO interlocking and PITT interlocking at MP 342. I also took pictures of other points of interest as well as the trains that we passed and that passed us.The trip was a wonderful experience and for an overall cost of $60 a great value as well. I highly recommend taking business class when it is the last car on a non-NEC train. The "Railfan Tax" of $20 is much cheaper than most videos, excursion tickets or even books. The my PRR Main Line survey resulted in a collection of over 600 photos so I am going to have to split things up. Part one covers the Amtrak Harrisburg Line from ZOO to STATE, next we move onto the NS Pittsburgh Line from CP-HARRIS to ALTO and finally Part 3 will cover ALTO to CP-PITT. The entire set can be viewed here Landmarks line stations and such are arranged by milepost as are block signals. Interlockings and any trains encountered are given their standard names. Starting out we have ZOO interlocking still in about a month away from having the K section transfered to SEPTA control. The new signals are in place, but still wired into the massive 230 lever US&S Model 14 interlocking machine in ZOO tower. Here is the new cantilever mast carrying the 30R and 32R signals.  Old and new at the famous "K ladder" double slips. 70L and 68L signals on the 36th St connector remain original equipment, the 54L and 64L have been replaced pending transfer to SEPTA.  The 36th St connector joins the Main Line proper at under the twin cantilever mast holding the 80L and 86R signals.  At the JO section of ZOO we can see how the NY-Pittsburgh Subway was built with the straight route through the interlocking. Trains from 30th St have to take the slower diverging route. This was done to speed express passenger trains such as the Broadway Limited.  STILES interlocking was installed with the 1994 Overbrook Shoppes Project which relocated Main Line track 4 from the VALLEY flyover track to the space previously used by Bellmont yard. STILES is remote ZOO tower.  PAXON interlocking is located under the aging VALLEY flyover providing a access to the east end of Overbrook Shoppes. This track had previously been used to fly passenger trains over the busy freight yard here as in PRR times the center tracks were used by freight and the outside tracks by passenger trains. Even in 1994 the Flyover was getting into increasingly bad shape and moving trains off of it not only enabled the Overbrook Shoppes project, but also any need to radically repair the flyover. Today the flyover is only used by outbound R6 Cynwyd trains at 15mph.  Silverliner III #234 with a pair of SII's hang out in the Overbrook Shop yard.  WOODBINE interlocking provides access to the west end of the Overbrook Shoppes. Like PAXON it is R-ZOO and not to be confusing it is located next to what remains of the Woodbine section of OVERBROOK interlocking. Where the yard track now takes off was the former route of Main Line tk 4 which sandwitched a freight yard in the middle between here and the flyover.  OVERBROK tower still soldiers on after 83 years in service.  Popping out the other side of the interlocking I caught a Medium Clear on the 14L signal indicating a train on the express 2 track was crossing over to 1 track.  And here is that train. A Keystone pushed by AEM-7 948.  Ardmore station with the 84 signal.  Some MoW tree trimming near Haverford Station. The train the folks on the platform are waiting for will arrive on 2 track as a result.  BRYN MAWR tower and Bryn Mawr station. The tower was closed in 1994 after a fire in the locking room and remoted to PAOLI. Long term plans call for moving the interlocking west to Villanova.  When the Blue Route was built in the 1990's a new bridge for the Main Line came with it.  High level platforms under construction at Wayne. The re-pained 1915 era catenary poles ended at the county line.  The iconic station at Stafford, rebuilt after a fire a few years back.  The 162 signals at Devon are mounted on a road bridge.  The Berwyn Station and the 50mph Berwyn Curve. One of the few major curves on this part of the Main Line which weren't re-aligned.  178 signal with 50mph speed boards. Another SEPTA local in the distance.  East end of PAOLI interlocking.  PAOLI tower as my train crosses over to 1 track to wrong rail all the way to THORN interlocking.  Original 1915 Paoli substation.  Ballast machine parked on the 2 track stub.  SEPTA local pulling onto the pocket track at FRAZER interlocking. This interlocking was built when the Paoli Yard was closed due to massive PCB contamination and the mid-point terminus was moved to Malvern in 1994. A yard was built at Frazer to store the trainsets along with a Bombardier facility to service the push-pull sets.  GLEN intelrocking, part of the THORN tower CTC project. Original junction with the Philadelphia and Trenton cutoff. From left to right w/b Main Line track 4,NS Dale Secondary, SEPTA Frazer yard lead (which becomes tk 2) and eastbound track 1.  The Whitford flyover where the P&T low-grade extension was built around 1906 to Thorndale. Now abandoned.  Track 4 was out of service for rail replacement.  A high-rail big-rig was pushing an MoW car.  DOWNS interlocking. 3 track has been completely removed, 2 tracks is out of service. Note the increasingly rare Limited Speed triangle on the signal. Used as a way to upgrade a signal for limited speed turnouts w/o installing a flashing aspect.  The P&T extension flyover tunnel at Thorndale. Note the barricade on track 2 where it goes out of service.  Crossing back over to 4 track at THORN interlocking. Note the "ramp" to the old P&T branch. The single remaining track is a stub.  THORN tower which still controls the 6-track full crossover in front of it and the line from GLEN to CALN via a 1937 CTC machine.  Leaving THORN interlocking. Some of this rail is 152lb PRR stock.  Thorndale used to have a local freight yard and helper base, almost all of which has been removed, but stands ready to act as a new SEPTA terminal yard.  CALN interlocking is located at what was the west end of Thorndale yard. Interlocking is only active on 1 and 2 track, but the old relay hut next to 4 track still retains a Penn Central sign.  Between CALN and PARK the old 2 track has become a ghost track. It's signals are still up and on, but the track and overhead wire are gone. Previous #2 had been used by local freight moves to the Green Giant plant past Parkesburg on the old A&S line. The old #3 track had been there in bits and pieces with overhead wires over both, but first Amtrak cleaned up the remains of #3 track, then completely removed #2 track and the overhead wires on each.  Two track reappears right before the home signal at PARK interlocking.  PARK interlocking has seen better days. PARK controlled the junction with the low grade Atglen and Susquehanna freight line. After the A&S was abandoned in the 1980's PARK was later closed as a full time interlocking when SEPTA suspended service to Parkesburg in 1995 due to Amtrak forcing them to pay the full cost of an operator there. today PARK runs mostly on automatic, only opened on an as-needed basis for crossover movements. Note the dwarf signal has already flipped up to Restricting as part of the auto-mode.  As built PARK served a 4-track main line and a 2 track A&S. The Main Line went to 2 tracks in 1948 with the A&S dropping to a single industrial track in the 1980's when freight shifted off the former PRR.  PARK will be replaced by a new simple crossover ATGLEN interlocking two miles down the line.  An uncommon diesel hauled mid-day Keystone passing the 494 automatic.  The old PRR station at Christiana just past the Atglen curve.  The high point on the Main Line b/t Philly and Harrisburg at Gap, PA. 485 feet above sea level.  The Gap curve and PRR Gap Station.  The second curve at Gap makes one wonder why they never re-sligned this section. There only used to be farm fields in the way.  The LEAMAN temporary block station. Switches are hand operated and interlocked with the signals with a small panel in the cabin.  Video of the Irishtown grade crossing. Speed over the crossing is 100mph so take that suburban Nimbies. If the Amish in horse drawn buggies can deal with high speed grade crossings, why can't you in your damn SUVs. The CORK interlocking complex had not yet been re-signaled so here is the Conestoga section that used to be where 4 tracks went to 2 for the narrow Conestoga River viaduct, as well as a connection to the New Holland branch. New signals are in place for the transition to being the separate HOLLAND intelrocking.  Video of the rebuilt east crossover at Lancaster station. This will become the new CONESTOGA interlocking. Lancaster station. The 4-track main is now down to two with the main tracks replacing the old station tracks.  Rebuilt west crossover of CORK interlocking. This portion will continue to be known as CORK.  The new LITITZ interlocking has already been carved out of the west end of CORK. This is a connection to the NS Lititz Secondary.  This part of the Harrisburg Line now operates under Rule 562, which means cab signals without fixed wayside signals except at interlockings. Unlike SEPTA or Metro North Amtrak has retained the fixed wayside distant signals to interlockings to smooth operations in case of cab signal failure. Here are the 860 distant to RHEEMS interlocking.  RHEEMS was a new interlocking built as part of the re-signaling project to replace the hand operated temporary Block Stations at E-Town and Florin. Note the 'C' boards which give the Clear to Next Interlocking aspect for trains with CSS failure. RHEEMS is R-State.  The deep cut east of Elizabethtown used to be a tunnel back in the 1800's before it was blasted through.  Elizabethtown station with the old E-Town TBS cabin in the background. Work on the new high level platforms has yet to begin.  ROY interlocking follows the same pattern as RHEEMS with 'C' boards on the home signals.  And new colourized position light distants.  STATE interlocking marks the end of Amtrak's Harrisburg Line. Here we see the 106R signal with some cat insulators in the foreground.  East end of the interlocking showing the old express terminal in the distance that was the source of many road railers attached to the Three Rivers when it ran before 2005. You can see the empty track bed from all of the trackage that has been removed, but the overhead wires have been left intact to hint at the former configuration.  STATE's remaining doubleslip switch.  The smoking stop at Harrisburg let me get out to take some pictures from the platform. Here is Amtrak #186 which was providing power on my train.  P42 #43 was just hanging out as protect power.  A keystone trainset was parked further up the platform on the opposite track.  I will conclude this section with a photo of PRR GG-1 #4859, which inaugurated electrified service to Harrisburg in 1939 and has been preserved under the trainshed. 
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Sat Mar 13 16:58:52 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Very nice Shots. One day I will have to ride SEPTA rails, Starting the Trenton since thats were I will best for me. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 13 19:56:49 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Nice shots, nice coverage, and I thank God I have a much faster internet connection!! If I had 56K, you post would have crashed my system!! Resize, bro, resize!!! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 20:20:55 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 13 19:56:49 2010. It's way past time to cater to people on 56k. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 13 20:28:59 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 20:20:55 2010. Not many have the fast FiOS connections or Optimum High Speed like we do!! Don't get me wrong though, your pics were awesome. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sat Mar 13 20:30:53 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Great work, Mike. I really am a fan of the rear window Amfleet shot.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Sat Mar 13 20:48:49 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Excellent job Mike. Thanks for putting these together! |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Sat Mar 13 20:50:30 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Super awsome pics! Its always nice to pics of the ROW. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 13 20:58:36 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. You should do employee physical characteristics videos!! Your coverage is damn good, JM!!The ballast machine you caught there was a LORAM Rail Service Ballast Undercutter, used for repairing roadbed water drainage issues. And seeing those Silverliners victimized by vandal scum is a damn shame!! Also more shameful is looking around Zoo Interlocking and the level of graffiti there, and thinking how shockingly easy it is for these bums to get on the Amtrak property and do the crap that they do, and do it undetected and uncaught, yet a railfan with a camera in a legal, public spot on Amtrak property is the enemy and gets harassed!! Simply amazing!! >:-( |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 14 00:01:44 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sat Mar 13 20:58:36 2010. Oh wow, didn't notice those S-II's had been tagged. Thought that was just some glare. |
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Posted by Bill West on Sun Mar 14 05:04:57 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Another well done photo record, thanks Mike.Amongst the other picts in the file it was nice to catch the novel lifting catenary at Bush River moveable bridge. Bill |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 14 09:26:25 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 14 00:01:44 2010. They looked like they been piss-poorly cleaned off, and the windows on the third one seem to still bear some on the windows. What a disgrace!! Those vandal scum bums should all be shot!! Probably Euro-trash!! >:-( |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 14 09:28:09 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Sun Mar 14 09:26:25 2010. I'm sorry, the second one was the one looking the worst, with the crap still on its windows.BTW, awesome catch with the GG-1!!! I definitely need to branch out more on my rail photo ventures. :-) |
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Posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Mar 14 17:03:39 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. you ARE good, Mike! This is preceisely my particular sub fetish in this sport: physical characteristics and signals and aspects. Keep up the good work! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 14 18:57:09 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Bill West on Sun Mar 14 05:04:57 2010. HA! I never noticed that before!! Thanks for the fyi. |
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Posted by murray1575 on Sun Mar 14 20:09:59 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Is the LEAMAN interlocking where the Strasburg RR interchanges with the Amtrak main line? It would have been interesting if a steam powered train of wooden coaches were there when that shot was taken. That is a highly recommended ride for anyone visiting that area. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Sun Mar 14 22:51:18 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by murray1575 on Sun Mar 14 20:09:59 2010. It's not an interlocking, its a TBS. |
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Posted by timz2 on Mon Mar 15 01:05:08 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. 4/54 timetable shows four main line tracks from Park west to the Conestoga bridge. Then the 10/55 shows three tracks Park all the way to Cork-- which can't be? |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Mon Mar 15 01:38:54 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Excellent stuff! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Mar 15 07:23:36 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by timz2 on Mon Mar 15 01:05:08 2010. I guess that's the year they pulled the 4th track. That line segment went from 4 tracks, to three then to 2. I thought I had a diagram that showed 1948 as the date, but I guess that was the one with 4 and a later one showed 2.I've always wondered what LEAMAN was like before it went to 2 tracks. |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Mar 15 13:46:31 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Mar 15 07:23:36 2010. I think Tim's question refers to the fact that your picture shows Conestoga to only be a 2 track bridge. What I wondered was if this was perhaps timetabled as 4/3 main tracks with the rules/signaling for the bridge handled similar to a gauntlet?Bill |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Mar 15 14:32:40 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Bill West on Mon Mar 15 13:46:31 2010. Oops, my mouse clicked while I was looking up more for that draft. I checked Triumph II and pg 151 has a Jan’56 plan with 1-2-4 to the east side of the bridge, 1-4 across it, 1-2-3-4 through Lancaster, 1-2 west from Dillersville and 2 tracks down to Columbia.Tower ES once existed on the east side of the bridge to control the New Holland branch and CG existed on the west side to control old Conestoga Junction into downtown Lancaster. That would give them control of the 2 track movements across the bridge. Pg 156 shows that ES & CG were merged into Cork (along with Dillersville) during the ’38 electrification. So Tim’s question is answered by reading “all the way to Cork” as just barely reaching the east limit of the interlocking rather than 1-2 miles down to the front of the tower. Bill |
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Posted by Bill West on Mon Mar 15 15:33:01 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. “The second curve at Gap makes one wonder why they never re-aligned this section.”.... Triumph II says there were 2.704,958 reasons, that was the 1938 price of cutting a single 90mph curve through the hill. And it would only save 1.5 minutes running time.Bill |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Mon Mar 15 20:27:47 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. AMAZING work! Thank you! |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue Mar 16 15:03:30 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Bill West on Mon Mar 15 14:32:40 2010. Yes CORK had an "east end" that encompassed the two track Conestoga bridge. CORK was built in the late 20's when the route through Lancaster was realigned. It was independent of the electrification project. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 17 20:08:40 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Fulton Frank on Sun Mar 14 17:03:39 2010. This is preceisely my particular sub fetish in this sport: physical characteristicsI'm with you on that 'un Frank :o) Good job Mike....looks like Franklin & Marshall is progressing with the construction west of Lancaster that will eventually cover the east end of Dillerville Yard. Didja notice how far along they are? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 20:12:24 2010, in response to PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Jersey Mike on Sat Mar 13 16:36:15 2010. Nice. I don't know why SEPTA just doesn't run all the way to Harrisburg. It would probably provide a cheaper ride. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 17 21:25:14 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 20:12:24 2010. I don't know why SEPTA just doesn't run all the way to HarrisburgSEPTA isn't interested in providing service outside the member counties, but they could go as far as Coatsville. Nevermind, they don't wanna expand service anyway. Besides, the state subsidy to Amtrak for the service would be competing against the state subsidy for SEPTA. I'm sure that would go over big. It is the main reason THIS is having trouble getting off the ground. Also, SEPTA has how many restroom equipped cars? Back in the 70's the Silverliners(II & III) ran under SEPTA/Amtrak/PC funding from Philly to Harrisburg. Penn Central (then Conrail) maintained the equipment under contract, with SEPTA underwriting the cost to Coatsville & Amtrak picking up the tab the rest of the way. It remains the fastest cab ride I ever had :o) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 21:35:48 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 17 21:25:14 2010. PA is subsidizing the Keystones anyway, right? It's run pretty much on a commuter schedule. Might as well let SEPTA run the service and save some slots out of Penn Station for other trains. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 17 22:55:07 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by kp5308 on Wed Mar 17 21:25:14 2010. SEPTA isn't interested in providing service outside the member countiesCan they? I don't think Dauphin is a member county. Besides that, they don't have any equipment that can run at 110 mph, never mind the bathroom and seating issues. Pity about the Old Main. That still could stand more rebuilding, and could be even higher speed than nowadays, if we had more rational standards vis-ŕ-vis tilt-train service and track classes. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 23:13:33 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 17 22:55:07 2010. Besides that, they don't have any equipment that can run at 110 mph, never mind the bathroom and seating issues.SEPTA's push-pulls should be able to do 100 MPH. The Silverliner IV's seem to be able to reach higher speeds than their NJT Arrow cousins. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 17 23:18:41 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 23:13:33 2010. UIM, the S-IVs are certified for a 80-mph MAS. Don't know if the BBD push-pulls are certified for 100 mph like on NJT.Another thing that's ironic is that the Metroliner MU remnants are running on the route again; they ran on the route in the 1980s in their MU configuration. JMHO, but the service should indeed be split between New York service and Philly service instead of doing the reverse move at 30th; get the NY-Pittsburgh Subway in operation once more (although I would have used the now-half-destroyed Trenton Cutoff myself). (Don't get me started about the Arrow III rebuild again; that was such a |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Mar 18 00:54:40 2010, in response to Re: PRR Main Line Survey 2009 - Part 1, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Mar 17 21:35:48 2010. you would prefer Silverliners to Amfleet/Horizon seats? AFAIK Septa doesn't have any cafe cars. |
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