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Posted by error46146 on Mon Mar 8 22:23:44 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. NO! |
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Posted by Mr. MTA on Tue Mar 9 01:34:40 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by error46146 on Mon Mar 8 22:23:44 2010. IAWTP |
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Posted by JBar387 on Tue Mar 9 02:56:59 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. Let's not and say we did! In other words NO WAY JOSE!!! |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:27:15 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. Yes! They should create 2 types of metrocards a pay per ride type which has no free bus to subway transfers and premium metrocards which allow for that |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:38:40 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. Yes! They should create 3 types of metrocards a pay per ride type which has no free bus to subway transfers, then an $80 a month unlimited bus or Unlimited subway metrocard for $80 a month (which if you swipe twice a day just on weekdays you save .25 cents a day) and premium metrocards which allow unlimited rides and transfers to bus to train for $120 a month (which if u take 1 bus and 1 train to go to and from work and only weekdays you save a whopping $60 a month or ($720 a year) I think it caters well to personal choices and still fair. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 03:41:33 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. What about places like the Bronx and Queens where the subways are SO far away that people have no choice but to take the bus to a train? How about THEM? :(Got a better idea ... tie it to income. If you work for a bank, you can walk. :) |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:46:36 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 03:41:33 2010. 100% disagree! You get to choose where you live... If you choose to live in a two fare zone you should pay two zone pricing, if you dont like two zone pricing move closer to a subway line, or the bus line you need, or the job you work. You pay for that peace and quiet :) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 03:50:53 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:46:36 2010. Then put the Third Avenue back up in the Bronx ... I suspect you're unaware of what it's like to live in the Bronx (and I'm sure there are sections of Queens in similar circumstances) ... you pay out the ASS to live near a subway line normally. It was being moved further and further away from the train that caused me to say enough to all the crap and move upstate. Many lower income people move to where they can afford which usually means a bus ride. We're not talking Staten Island here. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:03:46 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 03:50:53 2010. I live in the Bronx actually and i still believe two fare people are getting to heavy a discount At 2.25 per swipe it should cost a two fate zoner $9 a day if just 1 bus and 1 train to get two and from work 5 days a week or $180 a month... a monthly unlimited is $89 so a two fare zoner gets a huge 50% discount while a person who travels just on one mode of transportation to and from work 5 days a week only saves $1 a month by using that same metrocard... That's horrendously unfair to one zoners , two zoners need their own unlimited metrocard that has a much higher price... Personally a two zoner unlimted bus/subway monthly metrocard at even 150 a month is still a fair deal |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 04:07:07 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. I disagree. Free transfers from rail to bus is one of the main advantages of having a unified MTA in the first place - it's called an 'integrated transport system'! One of London Transport's main failings, in my view, was that although it ran the buses and the Tube, and had bus stations right outside Tube stations in many places, they never integrated the fares so you had to pay again on the bus. Even now it's only integrated if you have an unlimited, not with a pay-per-ride, unless you travel enough in one day to hit the daily 'cap'.Fare systems become integrated into people's lives and effect their personal decisions. It would be wrong to move away from the flat fare in NYC, just as it would be wrong to introduce one in London. People decide where to live and where to work on the basis of many factors, one of which is the transport available and its cost. To change radically the basis of fares (as contrasted with just increasing all the fares by a percentage) constitutes moving the goalposts in the middle of the game and is bound to be randomly unfair to some customers. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:07:37 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:03:46 2010. Sorry for the piss poor grammar it's late and I'm using the itouch |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 04:16:29 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:07:37 2010. Nah ... no problem! But as to the "zoners" ... if they're going to do this approach, something has to be done for those who are below the line of wealth. It's one thing for folks living in Riverdale, quite another for those who are down by Bronx Park or way out in the boonies near City Island. That's all I'm saying. It's not the fault of residents if their subway was torn down in 1973 or got pushed out to the boonies by rents. I feel the same way about people stuck out in Rockaway ...If you can otherwise afford to pay it, then by all means hit them up. But for those who can't, this is a really bad idea ... |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:36:00 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. There should be roughly 4 types of unlimited metrocards: (For clarification the calculations for discounts are based if said person does a one round trip of that card type per day on weekdays for a 4 week period)Monthly Unlimited Bus Only or Subway Only Metrocard: $70 (normal cost w/o discount: $90) Monthly Unlimited Bus and Subway Metrocard: $140 a month (normal cost w/o discount: $180 if standard 2 fare) Monthly Unlimited Express Bus Only Metrocard: $160 a month (normal cost w/o discount: $220) Super Monthly Unlimited Metrocard (Free transfers between express bus, local bus, and subway): $210 (normal cost w/o discount: $310 for a person making one round trip per day that included 1 transfer from an express bus to subway or local bus) this will bring in far more revenue to thr MTA and give riders more options, why should just two fare zone people get insane discounts why one zone travelers pay nearly full price? This is much more fare and caters more to each riders daily travel routine |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:42:17 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 04:16:29 2010. While you may feel bad this is how business must be conducted of course there will be senior discounts of 50% along with students and even perhaps those with low incomes can get reduced rates on their metrocards, but that's unfair to the middle class workers there's simply no perfect way to address fares without screwing some one if group of people but if you read my latest post with the 4 different types of metrocards you'll see that even at $140 a month for a two fare person is still a huge discount |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 04:46:17 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:42:17 2010. Yeah, saw that ... only saying it also has to be fair to those who need the service because of the economics that put a good many people far away from the subway. Those who can afford the ride should obviously pay their "fair fare." But the situation with those who have to take two buses to get to a train (not all THAT many) need some compensation that's reasonable if they went this way. Lower income people are already disadvantaged by all of the regressive taxes they have to pay in the city, this will be a major hit for many of them.It's not like *I* live there and have to deal with it. I never lived more than 15 blocks from a train ... but others live a WHOLE lot farther and aren't in the physical shape I was when I lived there. Just needs to be considered. |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k9 on Tue Mar 9 05:00:14 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:46:36 2010. Bx55 would need a free transfer again, some people still live there from the 1970s |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:13:19 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 03:46:36 2010. Yes but a lot of folks moved into 2 fare zones after it became a 1 fare zone it is unfair to those people sorry. There should not be any 2 fare zones unless u zone the whole system like BART/WMATA. Select groups should not be unfairly fared (?word)/taxed. |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:15:16 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:36:00 2010. No 2 fare zones it is wrong. Unfair, etc if you want zones zone everything like BART/WMATA |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:18:47 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. Why shift the burden from all to a select group of people?That is one reason why I am happy the fares are coming back to SIR, because it is unfair to all of us who have to pay our fare to ride the subway/bus, but they can ride most of the line for free. Now, I do think they should get free xfers to buses/subways and vice versa and at night/weekends when the ferries run less frequent the 2 hour limit should be extended, but yes bring back fares to SI. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 05:36:56 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:36:00 2010. 'Why should just two fare zone people get insane discounts why one zone travelers pay nearly full price?'There is no such thing as a 'two-fare zone person', and hasn't been since the mid-1990s. There are people who happen to have direct subway service to their distant rersidential area - like Pelham Bay Parkway or Far Rockaway - and those who happen to live in a district of the city weithout a subway - like Co-op City. One could equally well ask 'Why should those with the convenience of a direct one-seat ride to Manhattan pay less than those who have to transfer from a bus to the subway?' |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:57:55 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 05:36:56 2010. Exactly |
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Posted by GIS Man on Tue Mar 9 08:22:09 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. Thou shalt bite thy tongue! |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 09:29:03 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 04:46:17 2010. A return to "two-fare" zones is politically impossible, and thus pretty much a dead issue. An "income-based" fare would proabbaly be struck down by the courts.In the 1970s a lot of people felt that living in a two-fare zone in southern Brooklyn was almost desirable. The theory being that the second fare kept out "undesirable" people. Neighborhoods like Mill Basin, Marine Park, Gerritsen Beach, parts of Sheepshead Bay, etc. It was a false theory because there were and still are plenty of nice safe neighborhoods along the Brighton, Sea Beach, 4th Avenue, and West End lines, etc. I lived in a one-fare zone (near 18th Ave & McDonald Ave) and the neighborhood did deteriorate by the late 1980s but not because of the one-fare zone. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 9 09:29:14 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. The current system is fine - passengers should only have to pay one fare to get from point A to point B (with the exception of premium services such as express buses and commuter rail). Bus-to-subway and bus-to-bus transfers should be free – why should a passenger traveling from a neighborhood not served by the subway be penalized? It’s not their fault the city never put a train line there.The problem, in my opinion, is that transit is seen as something that needs to be priced as cheaply as possible. This is idiotic – why should every passenger get the exact same discount when many could afford to pay more? Put a limit on Metrocard discounts and let’s figure out how to subsidize rides or passes for those with limited incomes instead of giving away the service to everyone. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 09:36:47 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 9 09:29:14 2010. "This is idiotic – why should every passenger get the exact same discount when many could afford to pay more?"How would you determine who "could afford to pay more?" As I said in another post an income-based fare is probably not legal. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 09:42:08 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Mar 9 09:29:14 2010. The problem, in my opinion, is that transit is seen as something that needs to be priced as cheaply as possible. This is idiotic – why should every passenger get the exact same discount when many could afford to pay more?I agree. The transit system should make an operating profit. Put a limit on Metrocard discounts No. The discount is good, as it means that people are given an incentive to put many rides on a single card, rather than giving the MTA the fixed cost of a new card every time they ride. Think of it as a penalty for idiots, rather than as a discount. It's the unlimiteds that are throwing away money, as the prices are set on the basis that users will take two trips per day, then take Junior to Coney Island and back at the weekend. Of course there are some users like that: they should really be on PPR; there are also a lot of users who make several trips a day, and unlimiteds should be priced so as to offer them a fair deal rather than a steal. let’s figure out how to subsidize rides or passes for those with limited incomes Oh please, not another bureaucratic discounted transit scheme. The MTA's job is to run a transit system, not a welfare system. If some people's incomes are believed by society to be too low to meet essential costs of living, then society should address the incomes once, rather than each cost of living individually. And if they choose to go and spend it all on drugs, that's their problem. |
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Posted by LA Scott on Tue Mar 9 09:46:42 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. If you do that, you should also take away free transfers between subway lines.Why punish people for transferring between bus and subway or between bus lines while letting people use expensive subway transfers for free? I think the flat fare makes the most sense until the MTA chooses to go to a true zoned system. People should not have to pay based on where the MTA chooses to build and route lines. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 09:49:02 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. There should be a single fare for local transit throughout the United States. No-one's actually going to ride on local buses from Boston to Washington, even though (AIUI) it's possible.There should be another single fare for regional trains. And there should be a third single fare for intercity/high-speed trains. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 09:52:44 2010, in response to Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 09:49:02 2010. 'There should be a single fare for local transit throughout the United States.'This is a reductio ad absurdum. However, in a very much smaller, very densely populated country - the Netherlands - they have a uniform zonal system for local travel throughout the country. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 10:05:40 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 09:52:44 2010. 'There should be a single fare for local transit throughout the United States.'This is a reductio ad absurdum. It wasn't intended as it. Realistically, New York has shown that a single fare for 30-mile/2-hour-and-18-minute/one-transfer journeys on local transit works rather well. There's nothing gained by sticking some arbitrary fare zone boundary somewhere: you just double the cost for the people living near both sides of the boundary, and consequently they don't ride transit. There is a limit as to how far one can travel on local transit in a given time period anyway, so there is no big revenue hole in making the entire U.S. one fare zone. And we already have data tables of how much money each route makes, so it would be trivially easy to apportion revenue between transit providers. However, in a very much smaller, very densely populated country - the Netherlands - they have a uniform zonal system for local travel throughout the country. And the zone system is only needed because they included regional trains in it. I'm not even sure that's needed, as it merely gives people an incentive to ride regional trains for one or two stops. |
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Posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 10:19:49 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 10:05:40 2010. "There is a limit as to how far one can travel on local transit in a given time period anyway, so there is no big revenue hole in making the entire U.S. one fare zone."Imagine trying to get this through congress, plus the states and local governments regulate mass transit not the federal government. "The Uniform Transit Fare Act of 2010" would go nowhere! |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Mar 9 10:28:02 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Mar 9 03:41:33 2010. What about places like the Bronx and Queens where the subways are SO far away that people have no choice but to take the bus to a train? How about THEM? :(You seem to forget that for about 90 years (until MetroCards became the norm), those areas were always 2 fare zones. I grew up in an area like that (Flatlands, Brooklyn), so I guess I should blame my parents! :-) |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Tue Mar 9 10:33:07 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by Fytton on Tue Mar 9 05:36:56 2010. You can also look at it as Co-op City (and Starrett City as well) opened well before MetroCards were developed, and for over 20 years, those places were "2 fare zones". And nobody put a gun to these peoples' heads and forced them to move there, they were obviously willing to pay the 2 fares to get to Manhattan or wherever. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:09:52 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:13:19 2010. No it isn't its very fair, why am I who rides the subway only get a 5 cent discount per day while a person who lives in west bumble**** get 2 free rides a day? It's not unfair... look at commuter rail riders, they have to pay to not only ride the train but in most cases pay to park at their station. When you live in a certain area you CHOOSE to move which most people did i.e. Co-Op City or Starett City or Throgs Neck, or Country Club, or Riverdale, or Whitestone etc that you its a two fare area before these metrocards and right now they're getting away with too big a discount, it's time to close the gap. I'm not even suggesting that they pay full price again, $120 a month for an unlimited metrocard... which is still a $60 a month in savings.Trust me I'm 100% for zoning but those same people who you say would be screwed now if we implemented the two zone fare... will be paying upwards of $10-12 a day in travel instead of $9. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 11:19:06 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 10:19:49 2010. LOL yes, you have a point there. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 9 11:26:32 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 04:07:37 2010. There's no such thing as an itouch. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 9 11:26:59 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 10:19:49 2010. Indeed! Besides, the cost of living varies from place to place. While a New Yorker may not sneeze at a $2.00 fare, that may break the bank for people elsewhere. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:32:53 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 9 11:26:59 2010. $2.00 a deal breaker....Chicago... slightly cheaper than NYC San Fran.. More Expensive Washington DC ... More expensive Most other major city transportation subway systems are more expensive and DO not offer fare free transfers. $2.00 is cheap no matter where you go these days. Had this been the 1960s or even 70s i'd agree. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:36:08 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 05:15:16 2010. If you think two fare zones are wrong... what makes zone fares any more fare? Then you're discriminating against those in Manhattan vs those in the outer boroughs because lets face is most people traveling on the subway are going to/from Manhattan. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 9 11:36:50 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:32:53 2010. I guess if you stick to major cities with extravagant railways, yes. However, there are hundreds (?) of smaller transit agencies out there that are primarily bus based. Honestly, $2 is still considered a pricey ride to common folk, but people just deal with it. That's why discounted passes/fare media is so popular nowadays. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 9 11:37:01 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Mar 9 09:42:08 2010. For example, If someone were to take 100 subway trips in 30 days (an average of 3.333 trips per day, they are essentially paying 89¢ per ride. That's about what the cost of a subway ride was back in 1985. |
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Posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:42:10 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 9 11:37:01 2010. How many people actually do tho? Most people who use the metrocard use it for the to and from work and or school trip a day. So most people are paying near full fare no where near the 89 cents you speak of. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 9 11:42:32 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by Dan on Tue Mar 9 09:36:47 2010. "As I said in another post an income-based fare is probably not legal."Indeed. That would just be BEGGING for a lawsuit against the MTA. |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Tue Mar 9 11:44:45 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. You mean having people pay two separate fares for each mode? That would be a bad idea...SEPTA tried eliminating transfers, and got slapped across the face with a lawsuit from the City of Philadelphia.When you eliminate transfers, you are potentially doubling the fare for people that have to deal with making transfers. Not good at all. Now, if there was just a 25 cent charge for transfers or something like that, it would be much more palatable. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 9 11:53:15 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. I say eliminate the free bus-to-bus transfer ONLY for those who pay in coins.Those who use MetroCards would not be affected. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 9 11:57:58 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Mar 9 11:26:32 2010. Then what is it? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Tue Mar 9 11:58:11 2010, in response to Bring Back the "Two-Fare Zone"?, posted by Mitch45 on Mon Mar 8 22:08:04 2010. First, ultimately charging ANYTHING for public transit is like having turnstiles/toolbooths on the sidewalks.Second given that the fare has not covered operations let alone capital costs, in more than 7 decades, it is merely a political issue of incenting or dis incenting transit use. The more people can travel around the city cheaply, more other economic activity increases. Seriously tax the overly rich and the "deficits" will be history. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Mar 9 11:58:32 2010, in response to Re: Extend the ''One-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:32:53 2010. Many riders in Washington pay less than 2 dollars, including nearly all bus riders... |
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Posted by arnine on Tue Mar 9 12:00:02 2010, in response to Re: Bring Back the ''Two-Fare Zone''?, posted by ClearAspect on Tue Mar 9 11:09:52 2010. You make a point, but still others moved there after it became a 1 fare zone. Now, I believe in a zoned system but there should be a max amount. BART has the best example, the max seems to be $7.05 (from bart.gov) least fare is $1.75 (from bart.gov) now that is fair and distances of lines |
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