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Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses |
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Posted by The Flxible Neofan on Mon Feb 8 15:14:22 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. Interesting...the city vs suburb mentality.... |
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Posted by znufrii on Mon Feb 8 15:31:18 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. The biggest problem with that is implementation using the current fare collection infrastructure. You'd basically need to take away the unlimited Metrocard, which will be a huge inconvenience, or raise it proportionally with the peak fare, which pretty much screws everyone who travels regularly off-peak. |
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Posted by streetcarman1 on Mon Feb 8 15:55:42 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. I guess you're NOT POOR...otherwise you would understand....but you obviously don't....someone who is poor doesn't have a BWM to cruise around or anything close to owning a car....so their soul form of transportation is mass transit to get from A To B. While you make a claim that $2.25 a ride is nutin....for you...probably not...moneybags....but for poor-folks on a fixed income ....it is...."Try telling a city person who rarely rides MN and LIRR that monthly passes are $200-$400 and they think I'm lying." Poor excuse.....since when do you see poorfolks riding the LIRR out to the Hamptons and back? tell me when...and we can sit down and discuss me selling you the Brooklyn Bridge at a steal... Yea....the monthly tickets are alot....but that is by choice if you want to work in the city. plus some people the Transit-chek ticket scheme so they can purchase before taxes. Also....some employers do pay for commuting costs as a cost to run a business... |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Mon Feb 8 16:10:46 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. I agree in principle, although you need to have a smart card system up and running to do it right.Maybe this is how you get congestion pricing for automobile commuters passed - by basically agreeing to do the same for transit commuters. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 8 16:25:29 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. Under one condition, we reinstate the commuter tax. Deal? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 16:52:20 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. LIRR and Metro-North have peak/off-peak fare structure, but why do the city people have it easier than the suburban ones?You need to do your homework first. Compare, e.g., NYCT subsidy rates to LIRR subsidy rates. Try telling a city person who rarely rides MN and LIRR that monthly passes are $200-$400 and they think I'm lying. In fairness, the highest LIRR monthly fares are for zone 14, which comprises Westhampton-Montauk and Riverhead-Greenport, inclusive, and they are $392. Very few people are doing that commute, and just there consider how great a bargain that is for those with the privilege: over 7000 miles a month, which comes out to about a nickel per mile! So seriously, do some fact-checking first. |
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Posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 17:06:41 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 16:52:20 2010. That is why I said between $200-400.Most customers on the LIRR and MNRR railroad probably do 2 trips a day, 10 trips per week, while subway riders probably make more trips per day plus travel doing the weekends, since many of them it's the only way to get from point a to point b. Riders on the LIRR and MNRR use it for work mostly - probably some might take another trip into the city with their kids or wife though. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Mon Feb 8 17:15:26 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 17:06:41 2010. Again, you're ignoring the subsidy rates, especially on account of the high wages & salary on the commuter RRs, especially LIRR.Here's a recent example provided by LIRR: they spend over $1 million/year on two trains that carry 1100 people/day on two Babylon Branch trains. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 8 22:05:38 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. LION says... The fares are interesting.1) Operating expenses must be covered by the "fare-box", which is to say the take from both the fare-box and local tax subsidies to keep the fare within reach of those who need the service. This is true of NYCT, LIRR, and MNCR. (And NJT too). Now it may be that LIRR etal can recover more from the fare-box in proportion to that obtained through taxation. Perhaps it is so that NYCT need or at least New Yorkers desire a larger subsidy from taxes. Maybe they are willing to pay a little more in taxes in order to pay a little less at the fare-box. This is acceptable since as you say there are more poor people in the City who depend more heavily on transit for daily transportation needs than do their suburban counterparts. It is also acceptable for those who NEVER ride trains to subsidize those who do? Why is this so? Because they need employees in their businesses and customers in their stores. Everybody in the city benefits from transit simply as a quality of life issue. Even suburbanites benefit from this sort of quality of life factor. LION would like to move more and more local and regional transportation from the automobile to public transportation, that is to say trains. LION is not opposed to having different fare rates for different people using the subway. The way that this works is a commutation ticket for the subways. You would get the lowest possible price when you name two stations, say Nostrand Avenue in Brooklyn and 34th Street in Manhattan. Your ticket gives you a sharp discount provided that you enter the system at one of these two location. If you go to a different place, you will pay full price when you get back onto the train. LIRR, MNCR and NJT/PATH commuters *could* buy a similar ticket between their railway station and a designated "work" station. It would be less than the base fare, but no where near as low as a city resident (who pays a higher transit tax rate) could get a similar (resident) ticket for. Clearly there are many possibilities out there, but if you want the service, it must be paid for. LION would bump the base fare up to $3.50 or maybe $4.00, and then provide discounts so that many people would not pay much more than they do now, but others, such as those who could afford it would pay more, a greater share of their actual costs. ROAR |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Feb 9 01:23:24 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by znufrii on Mon Feb 8 15:31:18 2010. Actually, charging a peak fare would be a MAJOR incentive for people to BUY the unlimited ride cards even if they don't travel as often as those who usually buy them now, so the MTA could very well see increased revenue that way.I would say make the peak hour fare for those who don't use unlimited ride MetroCards $3.50, but such fares include TWO OOS transfers instead of one with a time limit of THREE hours instead of two. Off-peak fares on weekdays and Saturdays as I would do it would be lowered to $2.00 or stay where it currently is at $2.25 and with the current ONE OOS transfer, while on Sundays, I would lower the fare further to $1.50 or $1.75 as an incentive for people to use public transit on Sundays. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 03:18:41 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. No.Except for the schoolkid bit. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 03:19:52 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Feb 8 16:25:29 2010. Great way to make revenue go down. |
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Posted by RailBus63 on Tue Feb 9 09:28:32 2010, in response to No, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Feb 9 03:18:41 2010. No.Why? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 10:30:18 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Feb 9 01:23:24 2010. Aren't the majority of cards sold monthly unlimited cards? And doesn't it always increase with every fare increase? |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 10:50:58 2010, in response to Re: No, posted by RailBus63 on Tue Feb 9 09:28:32 2010. LIRR and Metro-North have peak/off-peak fare structure, but why do the city people have it easier than the suburban ones?whats that saying, diminishing returns? or something like that? It's sad and pathetic when the media has these people who say we cannot afford another fare hike. You're telling me they cannot afford $2.25!? Senior Citizens pay $1.10 (!!!!) that is basically like riding the system for free. Do you realize how many people ride the subway as opposed to the Railroads? Then we let the high school kids ride the subway for free, but not for LIRR or MNRR? Most High School kids in the (NYC) suburbs WALK to school, or if its really spaced out, they have a School bus or their parents drive them. They don't go all over the county to go to High School. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Feb 9 10:54:56 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 10:30:18 2010. Those do go up, however:We were specifically looking at raising the peak-hour fares, with what to me would be the best solution: Make the fare for those who don't use an unlimited ride MetroCard $3.50 during peak hours (but with an extra OOS transfer) while the fare remains as it is during off-peak hours on weekdays and Saturdays (pehaps cutting the fare to $2.00 on Saturdays), while on Sundays the fare is lowered to $1.50 or $1.75. That to me is a good compromise. |
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Posted by znufrii on Tue Feb 9 11:21:43 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Feb 9 10:54:56 2010. I just think that adds unnecessary layers of complexity to the system to little, if any, benefit. |
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Posted by B1bus on Tue Feb 9 22:53:50 2010, in response to Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by znufrii on Tue Feb 9 11:21:43 2010. The people who already can't afford a monthly but would find it useful would not be able to afford $3.50 for a single fare.I already see people asking those coming out to swipe them in with an unlimited now. |
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Posted by B1bus on Tue Feb 9 22:55:26 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010. If YOU were entitled to ride the system for $1.10, wouldn't you take advantage of that? |
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