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Re: MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses

Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Feb 8 22:05:38 2010, in response to MTA really needs to charge peak fares on the subways and buses, posted by HudsonLine on Mon Feb 8 15:06:43 2010.

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LION says... The fares are interesting.

1) Operating expenses must be covered by the "fare-box", which is to say the take from both the fare-box and local tax subsidies to keep the fare within reach of those who need the service.

This is true of NYCT, LIRR, and MNCR. (And NJT too).

Now it may be that LIRR etal can recover more from the fare-box in proportion to that obtained through taxation. Perhaps it is so that NYCT need or at least New Yorkers desire a larger subsidy from taxes. Maybe they are willing to pay a little more in taxes in order to pay a little less at the fare-box.

This is acceptable since as you say there are more poor people in the City who depend more heavily on transit for daily transportation needs than do their suburban counterparts.

It is also acceptable for those who NEVER ride trains to subsidize those who do? Why is this so? Because they need employees in their businesses and customers in their stores. Everybody in the city benefits from transit simply as a quality of life issue. Even suburbanites benefit from this sort of quality of life factor. LION would like to move more and more local and regional transportation from the automobile to public transportation, that is to say trains.

LION is not opposed to having different fare rates for different people using the subway. The way that this works is a commutation ticket for the subways. You would get the lowest possible price when you name two stations, say Nostrand Avenue in Brooklyn and 34th Street in Manhattan. Your ticket gives you a sharp discount provided that you enter the system at one of these two location. If you go to a different place, you will pay full price when you get back onto the train.

LIRR, MNCR and NJT/PATH commuters *could* buy a similar ticket between their railway station and a designated "work" station. It would be less than the base fare, but no where near as low as a city resident (who pays a higher transit tax rate) could get a similar (resident) ticket for.

Clearly there are many possibilities out there, but if you want the service, it must be paid for.

LION would bump the base fare up to $3.50 or maybe $4.00, and then provide discounts so that many people would not pay much more than they do now, but others, such as those who could afford it would pay more, a greater share of their actual costs.

ROAR

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