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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 02:11:28 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 9 01:36:10 2010. I'd argue that the RER's counts are rather high because it's the only RER line that serves La Défense which as I stated earlier serves as Paris's de facto CBD.For you, I'd argue that the closest equivalent in an LA sense would be Century City versus the traditional CBD by City Hall. |
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Posted by Easy on Tue Feb 9 02:20:16 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 02:11:28 2010. Yeah, I've been to La Defense and it was Century City-like although probably twice as dense with jobs. I also read that 150k people use the RER La Defense station so it's super busy not even counting that station. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:15:51 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by D to E to Jamaica on Mon Feb 8 16:22:28 2010. 'and the trains were being fumigated to boot'I'm not sure that hey fumigate in the New York sense - one cannot see staff boarding the trains to clear out any remaining passengers. La Defense reverses trains by means of relay tracks beyond the station, by the way. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:21:56 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 02:11:28 2010. 'La Défense which as I stated earlier serves as Paris's de facto CBD.'Really the second CBD, rather like Canary Wharf in London - though La Defense's share of commuter traffic compared with Paris city centre is probably larger than Canary Wharf's share relative to central London. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:26:57 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 9 00:25:06 2010. 'I think that the doors on this line open automatically so if there were an incident it's not the operators fault.'All of the Paris Metro is ATO except for the shortest line (10) and the two little branches 3bis and 7bis - or so says a book published in 1999, even those three may be ATO by now. Line 1 went AT0 38 years ago, in February 1972. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:36:56 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Jsun21 on Tue Feb 9 00:16:07 2010. 'Having the door open prior to the stop was common in the UK when they had passenger operated doors installed in first generation EMUs.'It certainly was, for the first several generations in fact, from around WW1 to the 1970s. Videos of morning rush-hour trains arriving at London termini show trains still moving along the platform with most of their doors already open. 'No numbers on injuries but the practice persisted for a number of years.' There were many injuries - including passengers waiting on the platform hit by swinging doors - and as noted it was a number of decades rather than a number of years. The last 'slam-door' trains on the Southern Electric network lasted until about five years ago. The HS125s (which are diesel-hauled), dating from the 1970s and still in service, have slam doors, and these could be opened freely at first. Only after fatalities resulting from people, some of them blind, alighting on the wrong side of the train did they fit central locking to prevent such accidents. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:40:09 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Zman179 on Mon Feb 8 21:03:14 2010. 'Parisiens can be fairly nasty if you don't at least *try* to. Once you make an effort though, they tend to want to help you out...'I think that's true. I usually *try* to use my French when in Paris, but nowadays people (inclcuding Metro ticket clerks) almost invariably reply to me in English. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Feb 9 10:11:39 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Green over Green on Mon Feb 8 23:49:29 2010. You won't see that at this station for long. The line is being converted to ZPTO and platform doors will be installed by then, supposedly 2012. |
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Posted by WMATAGMOAGH on Tue Feb 9 10:23:54 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:26:57 2010. They weren't ATO when I was there in March 2008. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Feb 9 11:49:22 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Easy on Mon Feb 8 23:58:41 2010. Well... I'm not going to read the whole 48 page thread but nice pics and vids for sure.Paris is sort of my home town. I went to school there from what you would call here K to sixth grade. During which time, I -rode the first section (Nation - Boissy) of RER A on opening weekend. (Too bad my father didn't take me on the last steam run on that line the previous week) -saw the introduction of MF67 on lines 3, 7 and 9. -saw the conversion to ATO on lines 4, 1, and 3. -rode the line to St. Germain both pre-RER third rail and post-RER conversion. -saw OPTO being introduced. -saw the conversion of line 6 to rubber-tyre and the introduction of MP73 stock (hence my handle). among many other changes that happened in the system at the time. Very interesting era indeed. I went back to Paris many times, especially when my father lived there again from 1989 to 1993. The original concept of RER was to have RATP take over lines that were converted, but after the RATP and SNCF officials went to Tokyo and saw the many through running services there, they decided it was okay to mix trains from both. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Feb 9 12:03:36 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:26:57 2010. The two bis lines and the 10 still have no ATO. They don't install ATO on lines that do not exceed 22tph (with line 11 being an exception but that's where they experiment new tech). |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 13:27:50 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Feb 9 11:49:22 2010. MP73 stockIn contrast, I prefer the MF77 stock. I'd argue it's one of the best looking fleets in Paris, if not the world. but after the RATP and SNCF officials went to Tokyo and saw the many through running services there, they decided it was okay to mix trains from both IIRC, RATP and SNCF crews still switch at certain locations though. I believe that a recent strike was due to some of the SNCF crews operating over RATP-owned trackage to the anger of the RATP crews. |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 13:31:31 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:36:56 2010. Videos of morning rush-hour trains arriving at London termini show trains still moving along the platform with most of their doors already open.Don't your railways have conductors to open the doors? Passenger operated doors reek of a certain third-world type of operation... |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 14:11:10 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 13:31:31 2010. Me: 'Videos of morning rush-hour trains arriving at London termini show trains still moving along the platform with most of their doors already open.'AEM7: 'Don't your railways have conductors to open the doors? Passenger operated doors reek of a certain third-world type of operation... ' Traditional Southern trains had a door to every seating bay: a ten-car train (the maximum length) would have had up to 100 doors per side! And we have one guard (conductor) per train... The reason the Southern Railway favoured this arrangement was for speed of egress when a full train arrived at the terminus, to ensure a prompt turn-round - none of the Southern's central London termini had any relayu tracks beyond the buffer stops. Anyway, that is in the past now, as all UK trains except the HS125s have sliding doors. The HS125s have doors only at each end of each car, as they are main-line trains making few stops; these doors are still opened by passengers - who have to open the window first, as there are handles only on the outside. The doors have to be unlocked by the guard first, though, and there are platform staff on stations served by these trains, to ensure that all doors are closed before departure. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Feb 9 14:30:20 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Tue Feb 9 13:27:50 2010. My affection to MP73 is largely sentimental, as it was the first new rolling stock to be introduced in front of my own eyes. Line 3 was already one third MF67 when we moved there. Th MF77 is cool but I associate them with graffiti on line 13.RER: The general rule is to switch crews as the railway changes but I think there were a few exceptions to be dealt with. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 19:18:29 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 06:26:57 2010. If they are ATO who's at the front of the train? |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 9 20:19:58 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Fytton on Tue Feb 9 14:11:10 2010. The alarming thing with IC125s is getting on with a bicycle. You have to load your bike on to a special compartment at the front of the westernmost carriage (unless something's gone awry and it's at the other end), secure it to the rack, get out again, leg it 75' along the platform to the next door and hope you've done it quickly enough to get there before they lock the doors. There is a door from the bicycle compartment to the first passenger saloon, but it's marked for emergency use only. It's usually okay doing this at stations where they sit around for a bit, but it gets a bit exciting when it's a tiny station in Wales or Cornwall. |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Tue Feb 9 20:21:02 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Jsun21 on Tue Feb 9 00:16:07 2010. Having the door open prior to the stop was common in the UK when they had passenger operated doors instaled in first generation EMUs.That was great! :-) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Tue Feb 9 20:32:31 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 00:21:24 2010. I've been on elevators where the doors open while the car is still leveling out, its not particularly dangerous if the doors are not wide enough for the person to step out while the car is still moving at a slow speed for a short distance. I believe they were programmed like that intentionally speed up service.I can understand that i have been on elevators such as that myself.. RTO is another matter... |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Feb 10 03:10:43 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 9 01:02:30 2010. Odd, I thought I replied to this earlier.Cool, I like how they have a lot of loop terminals, many lines with the loop terminals have them on both ends. Also I see some short turn loop terminals. |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Wed Feb 10 03:11:25 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by Easy on Tue Feb 9 01:02:30 2010. ahh, multiple tabs: here it is anywayNice, I like how they have a lot of loops set up, it seems to me like they can push more trains through with loop terminals. Quite a few lines have loops at both ends, I see short turn hybrid loop stations as well. |
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Posted by Fytton on Wed Feb 10 05:48:30 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by N6 Limited on Tue Feb 9 19:18:29 2010. 'If they are ATO who's at the front of the train?'The trains are OPTO, so it is the 'one person'. You can think of him/her as a T/O or a C/R according to taste. ATO doesn't automatically mean ZPTO. Line 14 in Paris is ZPTO because it was built new as such, but the other lines renmain to be comverted to ZPTO. In London, the Victoria Line (opened 1967) was ATO from day one, but it still has a person at the front of the train; the public thinks of this person as the driver, but their function is really more like a C/R. The Docklands Light Railway has no driving cabs but there is a staff member on each train - originally these were called rather grandly 'Train Captain' but now they have the more modest title of 'Passenger Service Agent' (PSA). They can, and sometimes do, drive the train from the left-hand pair of 'railfan seats' at the front of the train, but normally they roam the train and all the railfan seats are available to the public. (The doors can be controlled both from the front position and from buttons above the doors.) I think that the reason TfL doesn't go ZPTO is for reassurance of the public. Presumably Parisians on Line 14 aren't thought to need such reassurance (8-) ! |
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Posted by David Fairthorne on Wed Feb 10 14:35:51 2010, in response to Re: Video showing Paris Metro Line 1 headway, posted by italianstallion on Mon Feb 8 19:22:22 2010. What's also amazing is how full each train is, at a terminus no less.The fact that all passengers are getting off and none are getting on makes for reasonably short dwell times, because people are not getting in each others' way by crowding round the doors. |
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