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ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010

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Just read the post from Zman at nyctransitforums.com that there is a possibility that the M train could be replaced with the V train which means V trains would operate between Metropolitan Av & Forest Hills/71 Av with 60 foot cars via the Chrystie St Connection.

That is the best news I heard of in a long time.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 09:20:55 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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There goes the neighborhood.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jan 6 09:23:34 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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That would suck. The only way I wouldn't mind the V train going else where is only if the V goes to Euclid Avenue.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by BrooklynBus on Wed Jan 6 09:27:07 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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Wait till Dov Hikind hears about this.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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It can't be done. 8 car trains on 6th ave and Queens Blvd would be a nightmare.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Bob Andersen on Wed Jan 6 09:59:39 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 09:20:55 2010.

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Ridgewood will survive!

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by vfrt on Wed Jan 6 10:07:53 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010.

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==8 car trains on 6th ave and Queens Blvd would be a nightmare.==

Which is why it's highly unlikely. It would instantly make the 'V' undesirable for Queens Blvd riders already packed into trains. Also it's terminals would be too near each other. And it's not going to Canarsie either because this ain't gonna happen in any variation using the Chrystie connection.

The Chrystie connection will probably never see revenue service for a very long time if ever. It was an expensive mistake of transit planning.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 6 10:11:45 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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Zman word is bond!

Rolls eyes...

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 10:45:43 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010.

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:::rolls eyes:::

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 6 11:35:51 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by vfrt on Wed Jan 6 10:07:53 2010.

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It was an expensive mistake of transit planning.

In their defense, the trend toward Midtown and the decline of Downtown as destinations were well known; the 6 Av Line goes through the heart of Midtown. If anything, the problem was that platform lengthening wasn't a part of the program, nor was taking care of the terminal issue at Middle Village. They also knew - and it is still true, I think - that of transit's East River crossings, trains over the Williamsburg Br are the lightest loaded.

Also it's terminals would be too near each other.

Given that on most lines, terminal-to-terminal travel is pretty light (although there are exceptions to this, especially on shorter ones like the Flushing Line), I don't view that as a defect. E.g., you can travel from Jamaica Estates to Flushing by subway, but the bus is generally quicker because of the circuitous rail route used.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 12:04:17 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 10:45:43 2010.

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::rolls eyes:::

must look funny with one eyebrow.



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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Jan 6 12:04:43 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 6 11:35:51 2010.

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I don't view that as a defect. E.g., you can travel from Jamaica Estates to Flushing by subway, but the bus is generally quicker because of the circuitous rail route used.

And imagine you just missed a V train at Woodhaven or 63rd Drive - - simple - - run upstairs and use the Q38 bus instead.


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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 12:12:24 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010.

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That's not a problem in any way. 8-car trains run on 8th Ave.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 12:14:52 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 6 12:19:06 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 12:12:24 2010.

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8-car trains run on 8th Ave.

It does add on to the dwell time, though.

And we won't be seeing those 480' trains for too much longer, I think.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 6 12:23:02 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 12:14:52 2010.

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It only works with Captain Picard, really.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor FOR ALL 3 LINES!!! on Wed Jan 6 12:30:42 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 6 10:11:45 2010.

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I-COMPLETELY-AWTP!!! But sounds like a nice little run though!! And hey, the V will get to see daylight!!! :-)

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Jan 6 12:33:39 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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Zman reports the potential (M) elimination/ (V) replacement/extension wouldn't likely occur until Summer following the (W) and (Z) likely occurring in Spring if the Doomsday Plan goes through.

The (V) would have to become eight car sets of R32 Brightliners or R160s, sending the R46s to other lines and the (V), likely, will become the Metropolitan Avenue-Myrtle Avenue Shuttle late nights and weekends.

Possibly no more (W) (Z) and (M) and possibly a 24/7 (V) with partial service (6am-11pm) via the Chrystie Street Connector.

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QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 12:33:41 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 09:20:55 2010.

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האם זו רכבת לקחת אותי אל מרפאת ריי ג 'ינג?

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by randyo on Wed Jan 6 13:09:31 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Jan 6 12:33:39 2010.

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In all likelihood, if the service were to be combined, the "M" designation will probably be retained and the "V" designation dropped. As I mentioned in several other posts, I think it would be better if the V were extended to Jamaica Center to replace the Z and the M left alone. The recent threatened MTA service cuts may however preclude this.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:16:48 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 12:04:17 2010.

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Must feel funny to get those reactions to your stupid comments all the time.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:19:33 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 12:14:52 2010.

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You mean "foolness" like it was to post lies here about both how well you thought you did and how well you actually did on the C/R exam?

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:21:36 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by randyo on Wed Jan 6 13:09:31 2010.

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Well what would normally happen in all likelihood isn't what's being considered as per ZMan, so...

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:23:41 2010, in response to QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 12:33:41 2010.

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Dunno what you are talking about.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 6 13:28:49 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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Moe's really going to be bent out of shape now!:)

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 13:30:32 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jan 6 12:19:06 2010.

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The real problem here is that there are not enough R160's to do it. An M-V combo would HAVE to be equipped 100% with R160 4-car sets, and even with the upcoming option order, I don't think enough exist to do so. They're not gonna keep the older cars around any longer than they have to.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Jan 6 13:31:07 2010, in response to ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chipper10 on Wed Jan 6 09:16:26 2010.

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I'm sure you're on cloud 9 right now.

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 13:35:09 2010, in response to QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 12:33:41 2010.

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Depends on where you clinic is, Mr. Ching.

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jan 6 13:36:44 2010, in response to QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 12:33:41 2010.

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I can't make out the last three words (or abbreviation) ....

--Mark

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:42:24 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Mark S. Feinman on Wed Jan 6 13:36:44 2010.

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Hebrew to English translation:
Is this a train to take me to the clinic Ray Ching?

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 6 14:02:31 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Jan 6 13:31:07 2010.

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Nah wait till Wally gets a load of this....

;o)

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 14:15:04 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:42:24 2010.

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I meant Ray Jing.


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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 14:15:47 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 13:23:41 2010.

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Ask Fred next time you see him.


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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 14:31:57 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 14:15:04 2010.

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Re: Ten Nostalgia Train Photos (vol. please do not pull the emergency brake cord)
Posted by ebtmikado on Mon Dec 28 13:30:09 2009


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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jan 6 14:33:36 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 13:30:32 2010.

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You mean like the "real problem" that exists that prevents you from telling the truth?

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Wed Jan 6 14:36:04 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Jan 6 13:28:49 2010.

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He's going to have to change his name to Victor!

=-w-=


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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jan 6 16:57:46 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 6 10:11:45 2010.

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Why do I suspect Z is laughing his as off? :)

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Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Fred G on Wed Jan 6 17:02:45 2010, in response to Re: QUESTION: Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by ebtmikado on Wed Jan 6 14:15:04 2010.

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I'm behind schedule :D

your pal,
Fred

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:43:43 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by 33rd Street on Wed Jan 6 09:23:34 2010.

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How is it going anywhere else? It's the same exact V train, with only one station missing at 2nd Ave....

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:44:22 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010.

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Why, Queens Blvd used to have the 6 car length G train there, and it didn't even go to Manhattan....

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:46:19 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by vfrt on Wed Jan 6 10:07:53 2010.

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It wasn't a "mistake" at all.
Furthermore, how many lines actually have people traveling "terminal to terminal", so how is that relevant? Who rides from 207th St to Mott Ave? Who rides from Astoria to Coney Island? 179th St to Coney Island? And so forth.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:49:38 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Union Turnpike on Wed Jan 6 12:33:39 2010.

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I don't know if this is anything more than a pipe dream, but it was said all along, that the M/V combo would actually be a cost SAVING measure, as opposed to something that would cost money.
It would save equipment, it would take a like that dead ends in Manhattan, and connected to a severed line at Essex St. The M isn't needed on Nassau St really.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jan 6 17:51:13 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by LuchAAA on Wed Jan 6 09:49:50 2010.

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A 480 foot train in liew of a 600 foot train on the Queens Blvd. corridor is a service cut.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:52:32 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 6 13:30:32 2010.

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There isn't really a shortage though. What about all the M trains that are out there from Essex St to Bay Parkway, which would then be able to go towards the new M/V combo line? That has to be a bunch of trainsets. You don't need new cars. In fact, you will have left over cars. The V line is intact, it dead ends one station later than Broadway-Lafayette anyway. The M is complete from Essex to Metropolitan. You have all the left over trains that are between Essex and Bay Parkway.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:59:48 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by randyo on Wed Jan 6 13:09:31 2010.

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I don't think so though. While I like the M letter better, the new service would be an orange service, not a brown service, as it would be a 6th Ave train, not a Nassau service. The orange V could remain all along the line, and they would just have to add the orange V to the Broadway el and Myrtle stations. The brown M would be the wrong color, so it would have to be an orange M, not a brown M, and it would have to be changed at every single station along both segments.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 18:05:48 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jan 6 17:51:13 2010.

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Correct, while a more convenient ride for many, it would be a cut, and save money. Between the 480 foot train on 6th Ave and Queens Blvd, and then only the J/Z on Nassau, all those trains left over too for the M south of Essex.
But Queens Blvd was fine when it had only one Manhattan local....it's still way ahead of that with a 480 foot V....not only did the G not go to Manhattan, it also was only 4 75 foot cars.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jan 6 18:10:10 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 18:05:48 2010.

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When the G was taken off Queens Blvd. rush hours and mid-day they ran 6-75 foot cars, not 4.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Wed Jan 6 18:11:32 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:46:19 2010.

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Railfans.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Wed Jan 6 18:12:53 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by Railman718 on Wed Jan 6 14:02:31 2010.

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He's probably off celebrating.

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Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train.

Posted by Dupont Circle Station on Wed Jan 6 18:14:22 2010, in response to Re: ZMan, that is great news, replacing the M train with the V train., posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 6 17:44:22 2010.

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When I lived there in the 70s and 80s, in rush hours, the GG/G was 8 cars and the EE was also 8 cars. The N was 10 cars of 60-footers or 8 cars of 46s. In non-rush, the EE stayed at 8 cars, the G went to 4 cars (60' or 75') and the N was either 8 cars of 60' or 8 cars of 75-ers.

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