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Posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009 They will be working on Cortlandt Street on the 1 line next summer, therefore the 1 train will be extended to New Lots, the 2 will probably scrape the wall AGAIN and the 3 will be cut back to 14th street. Same service pattern as post 9/11One thing is for sure, if I am able to pick a job, I will not be picking the 1. We are talking one long trip on that 1 line. |
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Posted by pablo m 201 on Mon Nov 30 08:49:25 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. LOL! They just can't seem to keep that South Ferry station open.On a serious note, it makes sense due to the fact that work at the WTC site is being done on the West side of it. I know I'll be glad to have my (1) train connection at Cortlandt Street again. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 08:52:52 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. LOL, and all that money wasted on SFT. |
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Posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 30 08:52:57 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. I'm not surprised at all. I was expecting this as well as a temporary closure of the WTC PATH Station. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 30 08:55:03 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by pablo m 201 on Mon Nov 30 08:49:25 2009. what does this have to do with your 1 train connection at cortlandt street? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 08:58:35 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 08:52:52 2009. Money wasn't wasted the work needed to be done its fedral money still the 1 to ZooLots brings back Memories..Heh its going to be "fun" with HAL 5000 running things over there now, wonder how many 1 trains will actually make it to ZooLots?? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 09:01:14 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 08:58:35 2009. Yes it was to spend Federal dollars on a useless 10 car station which reduces capacity on the 1 line. They talk about providing enough station overrun so as to provide faster inbound train speeds but these suckers can't even break 10 MPH coming in, plus the diamond crossover is too far away. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 09:06:54 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 09:01:14 2009. They talk about providing enough station overrun so as to provide faster inbound train speeds but these suckers can't even break 10 MPH coming in, plus the diamond crossover is too far away.Real smart on the Emm-Tee-Yaas part huh? |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Mon Nov 30 09:39:35 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. Holy SHIT! I can't wait to railfan this line again! Remember when the (2) used R62As?although the latter may not happen again due to the car reassignments after the redbirds retired, this will still be cool to experience. I remember when I was just nine years old going on ten when this all happened. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Nov 30 09:40:03 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 30 08:52:57 2009. As far as I've heard, they dropped that idea because PATH cannot afford to close that World Trade Center station on a temporary basis. The only way they can close the station is during the weekends and provide shuttle service between Exchange Place and World Trade Center. |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Mon Nov 30 09:41:42 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. And on a side note, this will inconvenience the (1) riders who rely on South Ferry. While they do have the (R) and (W), I think it'd be best to re-open the loop station and have (6) trains service South Ferry. But this depends on whether or not it will interfere with (4) and (5) service, especially during rush hours. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 30 09:54:37 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 08:58:35 2009. Money wasn't wasted the work needed to be done its fedral moneyYes, money was wasted. No, a completely new station did not need to be built, or at least not one like that. The Federal money could have been used for other Lower Manhattan projects, or a different version of the South Ferry project. |
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Posted by Neil Feldman on Mon Nov 30 10:07:50 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. One reason why I hated riding the 7th Avenue line after this all happened in the first place! Well, hopefully now once this is all done, there won't be any more closures after that! When you have a closure like that, and the 2 scrapes the wall, overcrowding conditions exist! When the 3 was back to its normal service like now, it isn't that bad at all! I'm guessing now that when this post 9/11 resumes temporarilly, R62's from Livonia will be on the 1 or as temporary, they will go back to the 4 bringing more R62A back there. We shall see! |
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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 10:37:46 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 30 09:54:37 2009. I agreed with NewKirk on the bad job they did on the station you know.. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 30 10:49:32 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 10:37:46 2009. Yes and I was talking about other things you said.. |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 30 10:58:12 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. I remember back in the fifties some time when the #1 used to run to New Lots regularly.I also remember one day in the late sixties, during a reroute whwn I saw both the 1 and the 6 both pull into Utica Avenue at the exact same time. That would have made a great picture. |
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Posted by Pablo M 201 on Mon Nov 30 11:07:39 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by lrg5784 on Mon Nov 30 09:41:42 2009. It definately will affect (4) & (5) service because of the crossover at Brooklyn Bridge that (6) trains would have to take. But either way, sending the (6) to South Ferry wouldn't do much because Bowling Green is right there at South Ferry (just a short block or two walk).Its service to the West Side that is being lost at South Ferry. What the MTA would have to do is either send people to the (4) or (5) at Bowling Green and take a train to Fulton Street to transfer there for a (1) or (2), or reopen old South Ferry to the (5) so that people wouldn't crowd onto packed (4) trains. |
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Posted by MainR3664 on Mon Nov 30 11:28:28 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 33rd Street on Mon Nov 30 08:52:57 2009. I remeber this was talked about right after the new SF station opened. I thought the MTA had managed to resist the PA's demand to shut the line. I guess not? |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Mon Nov 30 11:31:48 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 09:01:14 2009. The last timer clears at about 8 mph, but a train on 1 track can get the line-up to leave before the train on 4 track is fully in the station. Basically when a train reaches the last timer on 4 track the train on 1 track can leave the station, it is just a matter of getting the doors closed a rush hr. |
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Posted by Jeromeline on Mon Nov 30 11:33:47 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 10:37:46 2009. Do you mean the curve in the station and the hooligan at the conductors position which has kept them from putting in monitors even though the cameras are in place. That is the reason for the platform C/R's at SF. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 11:34:38 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 30 10:49:32 2009. The only other thing i said was the money spent which you and David Dissagreed with. |
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Posted by Union Turnpike on Mon Nov 30 12:21:17 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by lrg5784 on Mon Nov 30 09:39:35 2009. The (2) will still be going to Flatbush Avenue-Brooklyn College while the (1) is running to New Lots Avenue? How will express sevice be like? |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 12:22:47 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 09:01:14 2009. This BS again... |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 13:03:44 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 12:22:47 2009. No, it is the truth.Is there amy proof that 1 line service has increased since SFT opened? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 13:04:41 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Union Turnpike on Mon Nov 30 12:21:17 2009. 1 and 2 - - local 96/Chambers.3 - - express 96-14, terminating at Downtown express track. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Nov 30 13:26:41 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 12:22:47 2009. Deja vu all over again. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 13:49:43 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 13:03:44 2009. If there was no reason to increase service, there's no point to that line of argument.A better question at this point in time is "Is there any proof that the scheduled level of service, prior to the opening of the new terminal, decreased?" An important follow-up to that question would be "What schedule changes were made that led to the change in service, if any?" And the answer to those questions is "No, there has not been a decrease in scheduled level of service due to the opening of the new terminal." |
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Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer |
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Posted by Michael549 on Mon Nov 30 14:10:30 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. From a previous message: "They will be working on Cortlandt Street on the 1 line next summer, therefore the 1 train will be extended to New Lots, the 2 will probably scrape the wall AGAIN and the 3 will be cut back to 14th street. Same service pattern as post 9/11."What time periods are we talking about? A few weekends in a month? Three whole months in the summer 24/7? Right now the Cortlandt Street station consists of a subway tunnel whose sidings are wooden panels covering the space where the platforms would be. Just wondering. Mike |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 14:39:43 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 08:58:35 2009. Volunteering to go back over are we? :) |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 14:54:30 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. Your right you won't pick a Job on the # 1 Line Because a 2 tripper on the 1 Line to New Lots will PICK YOU |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 15:00:01 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 08:58:35 2009. No some will take a wrong route into the G.O area and the other will take a wrong route to Flatbush.LOL! |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Nov 30 15:01:30 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. Maybe this would be a good time to experiment with the 5/6 running to the old South Ferry station, at least outside of rush hours provided a stairway could be built to access the short platform at Bowling Green so there can be a BG-SF shuttle during the daytime hours. |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 30 15:16:33 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. That's not quite true. The final service plan hasn't been decided yet, AFAIK. What's definite is that, at the request of the Port Authority, NYCT will cut off subway service between Chambers Street and South Ferry to allow the Port Authority to do some heavy-duty construction around the subway tunnel in ground zero. This will last for approximately six weeks over the summer, 24 hours a day, seven days a week.It's possible the (1) may go to both New Lots Avenue AND Flatbush Avenue, with the (5) cut back to Bowling Green. There's even a slight, SLIGHT possibility of a temporary equipment swap, putting R-142s on the (1) and R-62A's on the (5), so that the (1) can have the digital signage necessary to easily reflect a different destination. Everything is subject to change for now. We'll know more later. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 15:24:25 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 30 10:58:12 2009. When the #1 ran to New Lots in the 1950s it ran express from 96 St to Chambers and what became the #3 ran local from 96 to So/Fy. There was also #1 Bway Lcl service between 137 St and So/Fy M-F from about 6:00 AM to midnight. In those days even though the R-21s and 22s had numbers on the end signs, IRT lines were referred to by name rather than number. |
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Posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 15:30:40 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by G1Ravage on Mon Nov 30 15:16:33 2009. There is no reason for the #1 to alternate between N/Lots and Flat since the #2 will also be running. Service S/O Chambers can be substantially the same as it is now with the #1 replacing the #3 in Bkln. During midnights it really wouldn't be necessary to sent the #1 all the way to N/Lots so they can either turn #1s on 1 track in Chambers St and run them exp N/B to 14 St or possible turn them back at Atlantic like the #3 110 St service did in the 1980s during the Lenox dewatering project. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 15:32:57 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 14:54:30 2009. Your right you won't pick a Job on the # 1 Line Because a 2 tripper on the 1 Line to New Lots will PICK YOURight as rain Dave i smell job 335 with a 1700 hrs report written all over it for him.... ;o) |
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Posted by r33/r36 mainline on Mon Nov 30 16:05:04 2009, in response to 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by 7th Avenue Express on Mon Nov 30 07:52:47 2009. Nice! Its going to be cool to see the (1) in Brooklyn. Since the (2) will be running local... R142A (2) or R62/A (2) anyone? IIRC last time they has this G.O it was in the middle of an transition period so it was not noticeble to fans if they added extra trains to make service (Like the R32 (B)). |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 16:28:41 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 15:32:57 2009. LOL! Yeah I see it now leave on time get to Zoo Lots leave 4 Behind then go in place across the PLat. No Lunch for you put it in later thats you to go!!! |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 16:33:35 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 16:28:41 2009. LOL! Yeah I see it now leave on time get to Zoo Lots leave 4 Behind then go in place across the PLat. No Lunch for you put it in later thats you to go!!!Ah the good old days.... You KNOW next pick if you stay in the A Div you arent going to SEE a decent job on the East Side if this G.O last most of the summer right? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Mon Nov 30 16:35:49 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 16:33:35 2009. Would one of you guys just smack him for me? :) |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 16:48:34 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 16:33:35 2009. Well I go to the West if I get good RDO's. I'm not worried the worst that will happen I get bounced back PM's. |
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 16:50:47 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 16:33:35 2009. Also if I stay in B Div not much Options work the C go extra A go Local L deal with CBTC problems M get dogged. The J is the only good line in the North. Don't like the South and Queens can get crazy |
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Posted by Alex L. on Mon Nov 30 17:21:37 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 13:49:43 2009. And the answer to those questions is "No, there has not been a decrease in scheduled level of service due to the opening of the new terminal."But only because the crews have been allowed to break some of the rules while operating in and out of the new station. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 17:29:28 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Nov 30 16:50:47 2009. The J is the only good line in the North.Another reason in my thinking of going back to HAL 5000 Land... The secret may be out.... |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 17:31:04 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Alex L. on Mon Nov 30 17:21:37 2009. But only because the crews have been allowed to break some of the rules while operating in and out of the new station.Bite your tounge... |
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Posted by lrg5784 on Mon Nov 30 17:31:39 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Mon Nov 30 13:03:44 2009. Didn't the TPH on the (1) during the rush increase when the new terminal opened? |
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Posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 30 17:39:40 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 30 15:24:25 2009. 1. 7th Avenue - Broadway Express1. 7th Avenue - Broadway Local 2. 7th Avenue (Lenox) Express 3. 7th Avenue - Lenox Local I know it was changed for good reason, to run more trains, but it seemed the old routing involved fewer transfers for the passengers. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 17:43:17 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Alex L. on Mon Nov 30 17:21:37 2009. Again, prove it. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 17:45:25 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by BrooklynBus on Mon Nov 30 17:39:40 2009. And a lot more crossovers for the trains. As it is now, there's no crossovers involved in the service at all. With the old pattern, trains would have to cross each others path; Lenox trains would need to get to the local, and Broadway trains would need to get to the express. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Nov 30 17:47:58 2009, in response to Re: 1 train to New Lots next summer, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Nov 30 17:43:17 2009. Again, prove it.You know Alex is a TSS right? Let alone a Schoolcar TSS.... |
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