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Posted by danny at 103rd street on Sun Nov 15 23:59:35 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. Great Shots, I remember riding the ICE Train from Frankfort to stutgard in 2007 |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Nov 16 00:31:27 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. France while they still had the Franc. Even looks nicer . . . |
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Posted by Fytton on Mon Nov 16 03:58:34 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. Excellent pics. I hadn't realised that the ICE trains had been around for fifteen years - time flies.Love the classic photo of Cite station on the Paris Metro. Did you actually ride the T1 tram? The one time I did, it was the most overcrowded public transit vehicle I have ever been on in my life! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 06:51:55 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. your photos are the best European photos ever posted to this board |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 16 07:26:20 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 06:51:55 2009. IAWTP |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 07:32:32 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 16 07:26:20 2009. woo hoo! |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 08:19:47 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Fytton on Mon Nov 16 03:58:34 2009. most overcrowded public transit vehicle I have ever been on in my life!That was my impression, too! After I took that picture, about halfway along the line, I boarded the next tram and somehow got a seat a couple of rows behind the driver's compartment. Then the aisle and the entrance area filled up again. Then a woman squeezed on, pushing a grocery-store shopping cart, a big four-wheel one. The driver shouted at her a few times, obviously demanding that she get that thing out of there. Then he picked up his phone and talked to his supervisor or dispatcher or whoever. There was some more back and forth with the woman. Finally, after about five minutes, we started moving again. A couple of stops later, she got off. |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Nov 16 08:25:47 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. Those are excellent shots, Jon. Thanks.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 16 08:46:44 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 07:32:32 2009. I know what you mean, but there wasn't anything left to say that I could think of! |
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Posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 16 08:47:40 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 08:19:47 2009. They need more metro in the Banlieue... |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 16 11:37:55 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Kew Gardens Teleport on Mon Nov 16 08:47:40 2009. They need a Moyenne Ceinture... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Nov 16 14:14:30 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. Ice Ice baby.Nice pics. |
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Posted by kp5308 on Mon Nov 16 14:18:18 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. I gotta get "over there". BTW I didn't know Kodachrome was considered primitive in the 90's. That prmitive stuff made for some nice shots! |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 16 18:52:01 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Nov 16 11:37:55 2009. They need a Moyenne Ceinture...Well, the eventual plan is for T1, T2, and T3 to link with each other... |
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Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2 |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 21:40:09 2009, in response to PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Jon Bell on Sun Nov 15 23:54:21 2009. Leaving Paris from the Gare de l'Est on the 8:54 to return to Germany: Instead of riding through to Frankfurt, we changed trains somewhere to go up the Mosel River to Koblenz. This is a very scenic stretch with vineyards and a tunnel:  In Bonn, near and inside the train station:   And in Cologne, at Rudolfsplatz where route 1 passes an old city gate:  |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 22:06:49 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by kp5308 on Mon Nov 16 14:18:18 2009. I was really referring to the overall process as primitive, especially having to shoot "blind" without being able to monitor results on the spot. I realize now that a lot of my slides are underexposed which makes them hard to scan. And for some reason my scanner (Nikon LS-40) and software (Vuescan) makes my Kodachrome come out blue by default, even though it looks more or less OK when I hold it up to the light. I have to tweak the scanning software to add more red to the exposure, and fiddle with curves etc. in Photoshop to get things to look plausible. Negatives are much easier for me to scan.  |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 22:19:18 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Fred G on Mon Nov 16 08:25:47 2009. Thanks, Fred! (and everyone else who commented)It's fun going back through this old stuff and remembering details of the trip as I go along. I just wish I had taken more pictures. It was hard for me to really "let loose" when I had to pay for film and processing. And of course traveling with with a non-railfan tends to put a damper on things, too. Can't spend a lot of time hunting for photo locations and waiting for the next train/tram/whatever to come along... |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Nov 17 03:58:13 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 16 18:52:01 2009. 'Well, the eventual plan is for [Paris tramways] T1, T2, and T3 to link with each other... 'They're quite a long way apart at the moment, except for T2 at Issy Val de Seine and T3 at Pont de Gargiliano - a one-stop ride on RER C separates these two tram termini. The T2 is supposed to get extended northwards from La Defense in the relatively near future, but this extension will still leave it some distance from the T1. |
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Posted by Fytton on Tue Nov 17 04:03:03 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2, posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 21:40:09 2009. More great shots - keep 'em coming, Jon! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 06:26:23 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2, posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 21:40:09 2009. WICKED!!!! You are the best photographer of European rail here BY FAR!!!!!! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 10:33:45 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 06:26:23 2009. Jealous . . . ? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 10:35:00 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Nov 16 06:51:55 2009. They're American photos taken in Europe. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 12:49:32 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 10:33:45 2009. No, I'm honored!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 12:50:31 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 10:35:00 2009. Nope, they are just as I wrote. |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Nov 17 13:02:19 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Olog-hai on Tue Nov 17 10:35:00 2009. EU propaganda.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Nov 17 20:28:31 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Mon Nov 16 18:52:01 2009. Only T2 really corresponds to that though. T1 is too slow and T3 is within city limits. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Tue Nov 17 20:41:44 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 2, posted by Jon Bell on Mon Nov 16 21:40:09 2009. I just realized that Krefeld is now the German city that I've visited most often. A friend of my wife's from graduate school lives there, so we always visit when we go to Germany, so far in 1994, 2004 and 2009. By chance, this was also one of the cities that I visited way back in 1972 when I was in college. It has a nice medium-sized meter-gauge tram system with four routes, and a standard-gauge interurban line from Düsseldorf, about 12 miles away.When we visit, my wife always spends a day in the classroom with her friend, who also teaches. The husband has to work during the week, so I'm left to fend for myself, and I don't have to tell you what I spend my time doing! :-) Here's an 043 local tram and a U76 interurban at the terminal at Rheinstrasse in downtown Krefeld:  An interurban rolls down the Ostwall boulevard just after leaving the terminal. Note the logo at the front upper left corner. It indicates that this train carries a cafe (Rheinbahn-Bistro). If you look carefully at the track you can make out the dual gauge.  An interurban stops at the Grundend station at the edge of Krefeld. Not coincidentally, this happens to be the station closest to our friends' house.  Grundend is also a terminal for one of the local tram routes, which loops through the parking lot. This operator didn't have any problem with having his picture taken, in fact he volunteered when he saw me setting up. I wish I had waited a bit to get another shot as it was pulling out so I could have captured more of that paint scheme that reminds me of a traditional German Fachwerk-style house.  A short distance from Grundend is the tram stop for our friends' house.  These two types of local trams were built around 1970 and 1980 respectively, and are still running, but not for much longer. Operators are now training on new low-floor Bombardier Flexity Outlooks that have arrived recently. They're supposed to go into service starting next month. Lots of pictures on this page. I'm glad I got a chance to see the old-timers one last time this past summer. One of these days I'll get around to posting those pictures... |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Nov 17 20:57:04 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 3, posted by Jon Bell on Tue Nov 17 20:41:44 2009. STUPENDOUS!!!!!! |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Wed Nov 18 22:59:46 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 3, posted by Jon Bell on Tue Nov 17 20:41:44 2009. Now we head to Berlin. The "historic S-Bahn" train that's maintained by volunteers as a museum-type operation was running one day. My wife wasn't feeling well that day so she decided to stay at our hotel while I went out riding around. I gave myself a tour of mostly eastern Berlin, sampling a little bit of everything. Right now I'll concentrate on the S-Bahn.Historic S-Bahn at Bahnhof Zoo (West Berlin's main railroad station during the days of the Wall) and at (I think) Ostkreuz:   Interior of the historic train:  A regular S-Bahn train at Charlottenburg (right across the street from our hotel):  Another day we went up to the observation deck / restaurant of the big TV tower that the East Germans built as a showpiece. It gives a nice view of the elevated S-Bahn coming in from the east:  And somewhere along the way I saw this old-timer tucked under a bridge. I don't know who owned it or whether it was operable:  The next installment will wrap up this series with Berlin's U-Bahn and trams. |
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Posted by Jon Bell on Thu Nov 19 19:53:29 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 4, posted by Jon Bell on Wed Nov 18 22:59:46 2009. Now we wrap up this tour with some glimpses of Berlin's U-Bahn and trams. Eberswalder Strasse (route U2) is on an elevated section of the U-Bahn that opened in 1913. Trams run alongside and cross underneath the elevated structure here.  From Eberswalder Strasse I rode tram 50 north to the end of the line at Buchholz.  The Hellersdorf U-Bahn station is in the outer reaches of eastern Berlin, on a section of route U5 that opened on July 1989, only four months before the Wall came down. This area was developed during the Communist years, with large apartment blocks.  From Hellersdorf I rode back into central Berlin by tram, changing routes at Landsberger Allee / Weissenseer Weg.  Finally, we made a day trip to Potsdam, just southwest of Berlin, to visit Frederick the Great's palace Sanssouci. Potsdam has its own tram system that is also part of the Verkehrsverbund Berlin-Brandenburg that coordinates operations and common fares and tickets for the Berlin region.  This isn't quite the end of the tour, but the last couple of pictures are off-topic here so I've posted them over on BusChat. :-) |
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Posted by CentrolinerDD on Fri Nov 20 02:40:47 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 5, posted by Jon Bell on Thu Nov 19 19:53:29 2009. Thanks for taking the time to scan and post these photos. It is nice to see places outside the United States, especially when they are 15 years old. Thanks. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Nov 20 03:50:47 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 1, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Nov 17 20:28:31 2009. 'Only T2 really corresponds to that [a 'Moyenne Ceinture'] though. T1 is too slow and T3 is within city limits.'T3 actually corresponds almost exactly with part of the original Petite Ceinture, though the tramway runs in the median of boulevards rather than on a separate RoW. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Nov 20 04:12:57 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 4, posted by Jon Bell on Wed Nov 18 22:59:46 2009. The steam loco tucked under the bridge appears to be a fireless one - which would have been supplied with steam from a boiler in some industrial plant - as its doesn't have a chimney. The accompanying four-wheel passenger car still has a 'DR' (the old East German railway) rather than a 'DB' logo, several years after reunification, so these are both obviously preserved vehicles. Fireless locos were always quite rare. |
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Posted by Fytton on Fri Nov 20 04:15:11 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 5, posted by CentrolinerDD on Fri Nov 20 02:40:47 2009. 'Thanks'I second that motion - these have all been excellent photos. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri Nov 20 04:51:19 2009, in response to Re: PHOTOS: Germany & France, 1994 - Part 5, posted by Jon Bell on Thu Nov 19 19:53:29 2009. Thanks again for the wonderful photos, Jon.your pal, Fred |
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