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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Mon Aug 3 18:46:52 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Mon Aug 3 10:37:36 2009. Yeah, WWIII. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by WillD on Mon Aug 3 19:00:26 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 11:08:05 2009. Yet we never seem to think twice spending taxpayer money to build and maintain or establish soundwalls, berms, or noise abatement proceedures because some exurban subdivision residents bitch about the road, railway, or airport that predates their McMansion by 25, 50, or even 100 years. Why is this case any different? Those strategies for aesthetic improvement usually come at taxpayer cost and are of course quite independent of the infrastructure costs for essential services; the roads, water supplies, transit lines, schools, sewers, and etc. The municipalities and ultimately the state government end up eating those costs because the developer inevitably finds a way to weasel out of bearing the burden of his creation.In this case we have development in an area with decidedly well established infrastructure on what I'd be willing to bet was a brownfeld site. The private-public partnership which was likely used to remediate the site probably saved the state and city some money, while the resident's urban lifestyle will save the government billions over the course of their collective lifespans when compared with housing a similar number of people in the exurbs. All that while the improved property value raises property tax rates on adjacent sites, increasing the city's fiscal independence from the state. Yet how do we react when faced with the prospect of having to spend a few thousand dollars a year to provide these residents with the same level of aesthetic improvement an exurban community would take for granted? We give them the Bronx Salute and scream "Yuppie Scum". No wonder some idiots think NY is dying, you fucktards want to drive everyone who does not meet your predermined concept of what a NYer or a Queens resident is or isn't. Descriptions such as clannish or xenophobic don't even begin to describe the utter idiocy of the violent opposition to the residents' grievances exhibited in the preceding posts. IMHO the only problem here is that I have yet to hear of the residents going after the developer for noise abatement arrangements. I think the LIRR should co-opt the residents to fight the developer and in so doing secure at least partial funding for a hotel power system at LIC. The LIRR would get the savings in fuel consumption and wear and tear while not bearing the full capital cost to install the system. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Aug 3 19:05:38 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 12:18:27 2009. but are you assuming that that's how the A/C works? |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:12:39 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Mon Aug 3 09:16:56 2009. From what I've heard from actual professionals, turning these things are a bitch to turn on and off, and you can bet that a number that get turned off in the AM will probably not be able to re-start for the PM. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:13:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 09:55:36 2009. Are you new here? |
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Posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 19:51:29 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:13:12 2009. Hehe, hey that's my line. Ok, I get it.your pal, Fred |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:59:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 19:51:29 2009. I'd rather rehash this than the quality of Terrapin's trollings, of some other God damned stupid V reroute/extension proposal. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Aug 3 21:40:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Mon Aug 3 19:00:26 2009. Let me get this straight. The trains only idle during daylight hours on weekdays, ...tell those residents to GET A JOB! |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by jabrams on Mon Aug 3 21:41:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Mon Aug 3 19:00:26 2009. Let me get this straight. The trains only idle during daylight hours on weekdays, ...tell those residents to GET A JOB! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 22:07:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by jabrams on Mon Aug 3 21:41:08 2009. Correct. The yard is empty weekends and nights. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 22:15:18 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Mon Aug 3 19:00:26 2009. We give them the Bronx Salute and scream "Yuppie Scum". No wonder some idiots think NY is dying, you fucktards want to drive everyone who does not meet your predermined concept of what a NYer or a Queens resident is or isn't.Excuse me, but where I have I called them "Yuppie Scum", and where have I as a "fucktard", said they don't "meet my fucktard predetermined concept of what a NYer or a Queens resident is? Who the FUCK are you to make a determination about how you think I feel about these people. All I have said is that they were MORONS for not checking the location out, and thinking that those railroad tracks facing their windows all of a sudden just appeared. Where the HELL did I say that they don't "fit my fucktard concept of what a NYer or Queens person is"? How does saying they should have done their homework imply that I don't think they should "live in NY or Queens"? And for the record, my "fucktard" oppinion is that it's ridiculous when the "suburban" conterparts complain about the trainyard, noise along the LIE, etc too. They bought house next to the LIE, it's not up to the taxpayers to remedy that either. I don't agree with the walls, etc there either. But of course, why would a "fucktard" like me think that it's okay for the suburban whiners to get their sound abatement walls at taxpayer expense. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by G1Ravage on Tue Aug 4 00:02:31 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 14:52:15 2009. ROFL |
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Posted by Grand Concourse on Tue Aug 4 00:17:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Wado MP73 on Mon Aug 3 16:43:02 2009. thanks for posting it up again. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 4 04:00:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:59:32 2009. They're all just as redundantly silly but my ire-bot and whine-bot landed here.your pal, Fred |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 07:40:02 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Mon Aug 3 19:51:29 2009. You just hate trains. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Tue Aug 4 07:54:14 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Aug 2 16:57:53 2009. Does the girl in the blue bikini come with the apartment? |
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Posted by Jsun21 on Tue Aug 4 07:56:05 2009, in response to LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Doctor B on Sun Aug 2 07:58:00 2009. I say we have trains show up late at LIC and blame it on having to turn off the engines. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 10:10:13 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Mon Aug 3 14:29:34 2009. What's the problem? He's assuming it may only take one hour to cool the train back down at full blast. He was asking which would be more cost effective, if it runs 15 minutes every hour or so, or full blast for an hour to cool it back down.And that doesn't consider that the train has to have heat or AC when the workers are working in it too. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:17:46 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by jabrams on Mon Aug 3 21:40:12 2009. Some of them work nights...weekends...odd schedules. And there are also single-worker families. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:20:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by metropod on Mon Aug 3 19:05:38 2009. It's the basic principal, applies to all systems. Unless you need to cool something like a stadium, it's more efficient to cool the space as close to the time you need to use it as you can, rather than try to keep the temperature constant through the day. |
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Posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 4 10:28:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:12:39 2009. From what I've heard from actual professionals, turning these things are a bitch to turn on and off, and you can bet that a number that get turned off in the AM will probably not be able to re-start for the PM.And FRA requires brake inspections if the engine is off for four hours. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 10:32:08 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:20:25 2009. You aren't considering the fact that the trains are roasting in the sun all day. If it's 85 out side, a train without AC can be 20 hotter inside. Think of your car sitting in a hot parking lot. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:38:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Aug 3 19:12:39 2009. Well, wouldn't it be prudent to make sure they turn on and off properly? A system that doesn't start or stop properly is a failure waiting to occur. |
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Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 11:13:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Fred G on Tue Aug 4 04:00:58 2009. This isn't WOW, botting should not be allowed. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 11:16:32 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:38:09 2009. They are only turned completely off when they need servicing, which for a DE/DM could mean 3-4 times a week. Still, it's probably too costly in manpower to do every day and risky to boot. However, I see that the next generation of diesel electric locomotives will have to address this issue and have some sort of reliable wayside power option. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 11:51:17 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 10:10:13 2009. HVAC systems only have two settings, ON and OFF. It will use the same amount of energy in one hour whether it is cooling from 100 to 90 or from 150 to 90. The difference is in how long it runs. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 11:57:07 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 10:32:08 2009. Same applies. And the car cools down inside within 10 minutes. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 12:24:44 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 11:13:22 2009. Botting isn't allowed on WoW either...(which I quit three months ago) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 12:26:27 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR for the Umpteenth Asperger Posted Time, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 12:24:44 2009. Yeah, but it's done ALL the time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 12:56:40 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 11:57:07 2009. Yes, and the power used. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 12:57:45 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 11:16:32 2009. These diesels have enough trouble without the added stress of turning them off and on twice a day. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 12:59:22 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Hank Eisenstein on Tue Aug 4 10:38:09 2009. A system that doesn't start or stop properly is a failure waiting to occur.This is true of all diesel locomotives. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 12:59:54 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by RIPTA42HopeTunnel on Tue Aug 4 10:28:09 2009. Another thing the people that think this is so simple are not taking into account. |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Aug 4 13:05:47 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Aug 4 11:16:32 2009. just electrify everything and forget about it already. The cost of fuel would probably cover the cost of electrification over time. With all the cost of the Oboma Tax and trade on the nation, electrifying will be a better option |
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Posted by brightonr68 on Tue Aug 4 13:07:53 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 10:30:17 2009. NYC law says engine should not idle more than 3 min and the LIRR is running these pollution machines for hoursWe are taxing pollution at manufacturing and power plants friving business out of the country |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 13:09:28 2009, in response to LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Doctor B on Sun Aug 2 07:58:00 2009. Good God, the comments under that article are hilarious!And people think flame wars take place here! http://www.yournabe.com/articles/2009/07/30/howard_beach_times/news/howard_beach_times_newsgexrrnl07292009.txt |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Aug 4 13:10:09 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Aug 4 13:07:53 2009. NYC law says engine should not idle more than 3 minThat is not true at all. The law speaks of motor vehicles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Aug 4 13:13:12 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by brightonr68 on Tue Aug 4 13:07:53 2009. LOL!!! Where the hell do you get this from? I think you are confusing trains with road motor trucks and vehicles.Nothing illegal is being done here. |
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Posted by WillD on Wed Aug 5 10:55:25 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Aug 3 11:08:05 2009. Yet we never seem to think twice spending taxpayer money to build and maintain or establish soundwalls, berms, or noise abatement proceedures because some exurban subdivision residents bitch about the road, railway, or airport that predates their McMansion by 25, 50, or even 100 years. Why is this case any different? Those strategies for aesthetic improvement usually come at taxpayer cost and are of course quite independent of the infrastructure costs for essential services; the roads, water supplies, transit lines, schools, sewers, and etc. The municipalities and ultimately the state government end up eating those costs because the developer inevitably finds a way to weasel out of bearing the burden of his creation.In this case we have development in an area with decidedly well established infrastructure on what I'd be willing to bet was a brownfeld site. The private-public partnership which was likely used to remediate the site probably saved the state and city some money, while the resident's urban lifestyle will save the government billions over the course of their collective lifespans when compared with housing a similar number of people in the exurbs. All that while the improved property value raises property tax rates on adjacent sites, increasing the city's fiscal independence from the state. Yet how do we react when faced with the prospect of having to spend a few thousand dollars a year to provide these residents with the same level of aesthetic improvement an exurban community would take for granted? We give them the Bronx Salute and scream "Yuppie Scum". No wonder some idiots think NY is dying, you fucktards want to drive everyone who does not meet your predermined concept of what a NYer or a Queens resident is or isn't. Descriptions such as clannish or xenophobic don't even begin to describe the utter idiocy of the violent opposition to the residents' grievances exhibited in the preceding posts. IMHO the only problem here is that I have yet to hear of the residents going after the developer for noise abatement arrangements. I think the LIRR should co-opt the residents to fight the developer and in so doing secure at least partial funding for a hotel power system at LIC. The LIRR would get the savings in fuel consumption and wear and tear while not bearing the full capital cost to install the system. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 5 11:33:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by WillD on Wed Aug 5 10:55:25 2009. I still don't see, while sympathetic to some of what you say, why LIRR should bear the cost of mitigation measures as against the residents.I think the LIRR should co-opt the residents to fight the developer They should focus on the neighbor to One Hunters Point then. I'm blanking on the name, but Wado should know. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 5 12:31:58 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 5 11:33:58 2009. Murano, formerly known as the Prism. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Wed Aug 5 12:37:23 2009, in response to Re: LIC residents still angry at LIRR, posted by Wado MP73 on Wed Aug 5 12:31:58 2009. Thanks! Didn't know about the name change, to a Nissan, no less! |
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