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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009 NYT story here.excerpt: April 12, 2009 Agreement Moves Rails-to-Trails Project Forward By JOHN RATHER A BICYCLING, running and walking trail on a former railroad bed has cleared one big hurdle and moved closer to construction after years of delay, government and utility officials said. The 12-mile, rolled gravel-topped trail would be the longest trail on a converted rail bed on Long Island. It would be built by Suffolk County, with federal financing, along a former Long Island Rail Road branch line that operated from 1895 to 1938 between Port Jefferson Station and Wading River. Numerous local roads cross the former rail line and provide easy access to the trail, which would be a springboard to miles of other hiking and biking trails. The rails-to-trails project would connect by road in Rocky Point to a 14-mile mountain bike loop trail on the 5,200-acre Rocky Point state preserve, which is in the core of the 100,000-acre Long Island Pine Barrens preserve. That state land is also the trailhead for more than 100 miles of hiking trails of the Paumanok Path that run, with limited interruption in Southampton, all the way to Montauk Point. If all goes well, the trail could be open to the public within two years, officials said. The Long Island Power Authority owns the corridor for the rails-to-trails project and has three transmission lines there — two 138-kilovolt lines and one 69-kilovolt line. Now, in an agreement with the county, the authority has consented to share the property with the proposed trail. Under the agreement, the county would assume liability for injuries on and off the trail from dawn to dusk and for injuries on the trail at all times, authority and government officials said. In exchange, LIPA would allow public access. The county would plan and build the trail and maintain it with help from volunteers. The wheelchair-accessible trail by design would be too gravelly for inline skates or skateboards, which often figure in injury cases. A total of $2 million in federal money has already been set aside for the trail, but more would be needed for it to go the full distance. How much is unclear, but officials said the trail would cost at least several million dollars more than $2 million. While LIPA and the county say they have no plans to help pay for the trail, Representative Timothy H. Bishop, a Democrat from Southampton, is trying to secure part of $11.5 million in federal money set aside more than a decade ago for East End scenic bikeways. His office said only $1.5 million had been used. The railroad stopped service on the branch line for lack of passengers and crews later tore up the tracks. But the broad right-of-way remains. It passes through or near residential areas in Port Jefferson Station, Mount Sinai, Miller Place, Sound Beach, Rocky Point, Shoreham and Wading River on a route just north and roughly parallel to Route 25A on Suffolk County’s North Shore. The trail would pass a historic 16-acre site in Shoreham where the inventor Nikola Tesla experimented with wireless electricity from 1902 to about 1915. The laboratory, which is still standing, was designed by the Gilded Age architect Stanford White and paid for by the financier J. P. Morgan. At Woodville Landing Road in Shoreham, the trail would go over a surviving stone railroad bridge. In Wading River, it would end near an inn where Theodore Roosevelt, a railroad buff, is believed to have stayed. The inn is now a restaurant and sports bar. .... The trail’s western entrance would be a short ride from the Port Jefferson Station terminal on the L.I.R.R.’s Port Jefferson line, which runs to Pennsylvania Station. .... Long Island’s only current biking and hiking trail on former railroad tracks is 1.5 miles of asphalt the Town of Smithtown opened in 2003. It runs along a former rail spur on state land at the former Kings Park Psychiatric Center from near the Kings Park train station to Nissequogue River State Park. Farther east, a former four-mile rail link between Bridgehampton and Sag Harbor is now a hiking trail also used by motor vehicles. Rails and ties were removed, and the former rail bed is unimproved. A handful of other abandoned rights-of-way are scattered throughout the L.I.R.R. rail system. Two popular asphalt bikeways in Nassau County, the 4.5-mile Jones Beach Bikeway and the 7.6-mile Bethpage Bikeway, are listed by the Rails-to-Trails Conservancy. But, as the conservancy points out, neither one is along a former rail line. Ed Dumas, a LIPA spokesman, said the authority was open to discussing hiking and biking trails along other portions of its more than 100 miles of transmission line corridors.... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Apr 11 12:23:33 2009, in response to Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009. Damn. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sat Apr 11 16:10:19 2009, in response to Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009. Yeah, bad idea, although I don't know how real the prospects of rail restoration is since LIPA now owns the corridor, and not LIRR. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 16:12:01 2009, in response to Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009. Very nice! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 16:58:29 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sat Apr 11 16:10:19 2009. Yeah, bad idea, although I don't know how real the prospects of rail restoration is since LIPA now owns the corridor, and not LIRR.Eh. LIRR didn't even want to electrify to Port Jefferson let alone restore full branch service. I would like to have seen it, but at least this way some recreational use is gained, and if/when a future time ever comes when restoration of rail service becomes realistic, explore it then. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sat Apr 11 21:29:36 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 16:12:01 2009. No |
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Posted by d_mind on Sat Apr 11 21:32:10 2009, in response to Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009. It's not like that ROW would ever have a train going over it again... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 21:35:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sat Apr 11 21:29:36 2009. Yes. Foaming about old trains notwithstanding, there's no need to put trains there. Turning it into a trail at least preserves the ROW and prevents houses from being put on it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 11 21:55:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 21:35:59 2009. Turning it into a trail at least preserves the ROW and prevents houses from being put on it.The ROW is already preserved, it's a LIPA high tension electric wire ROW. No houses could be built on it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 11 22:05:55 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 11 21:55:56 2009. pwn3dstill, don't respond to ron. no good comes from it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 22:15:33 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 11 21:55:56 2009. You're right.So there's no point in whining about it is there? It's still not lost forever. And far better for it to be a nicely done trail than an abandoned trackway that could be an eyesore. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 22:15:33 2009. Nicely done trail is an eyesore. I have to look at these fucking yuppies all day, with all their fucking prams and fucking kids. An abandoned trackway is much less of an eyesore, at least there won't be any fucking yuppies. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:52:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009. Even worse still these fucking yuppies kids will turn into fucking gangsta kids in a few years because the fucking yuppies don't fucking know how to fucking raise kids. Then they will fucking terrorize the fucking trail with their fucking bikes and fucking skateboards. They should fuck off out of my neighbourhood and fucking leave the fucking railroad ROW alone. |
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Posted by EastSideRider on Sun Apr 12 02:06:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:52:22 2009. I think you need to calm down a lil bit, we can't always get what we want, you know... |
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Posted by jimmymc25 on Sun Apr 12 02:21:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Terrapin Station on Sat Apr 11 22:05:55 2009. Stop it you!!!!!Ron worships the ground you walk on!!!! Jimmymc25 |
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Posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 03:55:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Apr 11 22:15:33 2009. And far better for it to be a nicely done trailMy concern would truly be "Not In My Backyard" with people coming within inches of the backyard of my house when before access was restricted by the right-of-way or by the fact that there was no reason to be there even with the ROW abandoned. It creates a security concern and an overall quality-of-life concern with more chances for litter, random noise (at least railroad noise is predictable and fleeting; kids crying and teenagers shrieking and radios blaring isn't), and vagrancy. Where once a light chain-link fence would keep out the stray marauder, now I'd have to put up a far more permanent and probably opaque border that spites me as well, keeping breezes out and ruining any sight lines I had off my property. No, I don't want to mingle with interlopers on the trail whether they were my yuppie next-door neighbors out for a jog or busloads of youts from "disadvantaged" neighborhoods being treated to a lungful of fresh air. They weren't there before, so why would I want to welcome them there now? A trail in my backyard would be a gross invasion of my privacy, and I can understand the concerns of those who think that way as well. Sometimes there is beauty in ruins. Nobody looks at the Parthenon or the many antiquity sites in Israel and says, "Let's get this place cleaned up. Out with the stone aqueducts and in with the cookie-cutter prefab houses." No sale on the trail. |
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Posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 04:14:17 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:52:22 2009. Someone needs his mouth washed out with soap. |
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Posted by Fred G on Sun Apr 12 04:44:02 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by d_mind on Sat Apr 11 21:32:10 2009. Are people walking through there anyway? May as well make it useful.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by N6 Limited on Sun Apr 12 07:42:52 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Apr 11 21:55:56 2009. However, there are 14 properties on the ROW between the yard and the tension wires. http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&source=s_q&hl=en&geocode=&q=port+jefferson+lirr&sll=40.948302,-73.055048&sspn=0.009449,0.018411&ie=UTF8&t=h&view=map&ei=aNLhSb_dHYW8Nray-awP&attrid=&ll=40.933605,-73.037608&spn=0.002363,0.006641&z=18 |
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Posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 12 08:35:26 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:52:22 2009. The U in yuppie stands for urban, as in Young Urban Professional. If they're on Long Island they aren't urban. Since the term yuppie has been around since the 1980's the oldest yuppies aren't young either. They are in their 50's and their yuppie puppies are grown up. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Apr 12 09:05:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by merrick1 on Sun Apr 12 08:35:26 2009. Many yuppies back then were DINKs too. They didn't think of kids until their last chance and then moved to LI or Jersey. (note: I didn't say all) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:08:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 16:58:29 2009. Extending the line to Shoreham or Sound Beach would make sense. It would put many taxi companies out of business, but ... |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:12:13 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009. Not to mention that "rail trail = railroad death". An abandoned ROW always has the possibility, however remote, of being restored for trains. Once it's trailed, all hope is gone. Any buff worth his salt hates that outcome. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:14:07 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 03:55:47 2009. You see that very situation on the Columbia Trail in High Bridge, NJ. That thing basically squeezes between two rows of houses and has little or no fencing. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 12 11:18:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 03:55:47 2009. o m gu cannot be serious |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 11:18:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009. I agree with the sentiment, but . . . |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 11:21:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 12 11:18:40 2009. He's not, but he's not as funny as he thinks he is. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 11:22:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 04:14:17 2009. Nah. Gotta tase him, bro. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:23:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 11:18:43 2009. You know, back in the day the phrase "wash your mouth out with soap" wasn't just a euphamism. It was literally done by parents to potty-mouthed boys. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:24:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 12 11:22:21 2009. DON'T STOP TASING HIM! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 11:26:27 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:12:13 2009. Not to mention that "rail trail = railroad death". An abandoned ROW always has the possibility, however remote, of being restored for trains. Once it's trailed, all hope is gone. Any buff worth his salt hates that outcome.Isn't the active northern end of MNCR's Harlem Line an exception to that? To be sure, that preserved the ROW, whereas the ROW is already preserved in the case of the Wading River Branch. In this particular case, I tend to think that the branch's proximity to housing - it was abandoned before WW2 - would create huge outcry to any restoration, particularly along certain segments of the branch. Someone has already done the work of aerial mapping highlighted too, but since it would probably expand the window you are presently viewing radically, use the link. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:38:56 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 11:26:27 2009. The segment between Dover Plains and Wassaic was not part of the trail, IIRC. That had track on it all the way to 1997, when work began on restoration of service. I'm pretty sure no rail trail has ever been re-activated for rail service in North America. Which is why I'm puzzled as to why NJT continues to keep alive the "Matawan Alignment" version of it's proposed MOM line. Much of the CNJ Freehold branch was trailed only a few years ago. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 11:46:04 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by aem7ac on Sun Apr 12 01:50:38 2009. Yes, but then the yuppies have to look at ficking you too, the rabid foaming railfan obsessing about trains all day long.Maybe you could put up a G-gauge garden railway that choo-choos around near the trail so that the yuppies who come by can be amused and not justifiably look down on you. I'll even come by and admire your garden railroad and forgive your foaming. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 11:54:45 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:38:56 2009. Even so, I wouldn't hold my breath on restoration of the branch to Wading River, as LIRR's inability to even electrify to Port Jefferson speaks volumes about their capacity to extend to Wading River in close to proximity to housing stock. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:05:59 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by SilverFox on Sun Apr 12 03:55:47 2009. "My concern would truly be "Not In My Backyard" with people coming within inches of the backyard of my house when before access was restricted by the right-of-way or by the fact that there was no reason to be there even with the ROW abandoned."They could come within inches of your property line, the same way I pass close to people's property line every time I walk down the street. I pass close to property lines all the time, every day. What's worse, I pass close to different property lines each day. It's not always predictable. And even worse than that, there is occasionally only a thin wall and a few yards separaying me walking by from someone sitting on the potty in her bathroom. Why, if it weren't for that wall, I could see everything just standing out on the sidewalk! "When before access was restricted by the right-of-way or by the fact that there was no reason to be there even with the ROW abandoned." Right, so the only people on the ROW now are vagrants, drug addicts and the mentally ill. Everyone else feels restricted. "No, I don't want to mingle with interlopers on the trail whether they were my yuppie next-door neighbors out for a jog or busloads of youts from "disadvantaged" neighborhoods being treated to a lungful of fresh air. They weren't there before, so why would I want to welcome them there now?" Because their presence would enhance your safety and security. They are more likely to call 911 if they see a problem than the current TOW occupants. Unless, that is, you're the type who can't get a long with any of your neighbors - but then, that's your problem, not theirs. "A trail in my backyard would be a gross invasion of my privacy," So now you imagine their building it in your backyard, not next to your backyard? That's called paranoia. Your lack of social skills is your own problem. It sounds to me like the trail is likely to happen, so perhaps the answer is for you to improve your own social skills. If you think an opaque fence that screws up your site lines is necessary, that is your decision, and you bear its consequences. Personally, I think your visiting a therapist would be a far better use of your money, but you do what you want. Otherwise, when the trail is coimpleted, you're free to enjoy it along with the rest of your community, or you can cower in your basement. It's your choice. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 12 12:10:43 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:05:59 2009. Another stupid post by RonIsBS. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:22:21 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:14:07 2009. In Juneau, Alaska, one of the access paths from the harbor up the terraced mountain into the heart of the residential community in basically a very long somewhat narrow stairway that takes you past lots of peoples' front doors and front gardens. Because the hill is so steep, roads wind their way around to climb it, so the stairway was cut into the hill to give you a way to walk (ascend, descend) directly between your house and the shopping street below. It's beautifully done but yes, you pass right next to people's front gardens and front doors. And Juneau is a place that sees lots of visitors, because right next to that shopping street, which includes a very nice public library, restaurants and tourist shops, is the cruise ship terminal.How do I know about the stairway? I climbed it. I was not a "tourist" in that I did not come on the boat; I flew in on a consulting assignment for a client so I worked in Alaska for a few weeks. I got the sense that the residents aren't terribly paranoid - I even saw the occasional unlocked door. I don't recommend being that laid-back, of course, but that was the homeowner's choice. A certain percentage of people who move out to Suffolk do so because they are intolerant of racial minoritiesm and have poor social skills. What they find out over time, though, is that they can't hide forever from people who don't look or act like them or go to the same church or shul that they go to, and then they complain about the "decline" of the neighborhood. Things like public trails terrify them because they've never been taught how to get along with anybody. I predict the trail will develop very nicely, and we'll read more whining here on Subchat about how horrible it is, and that is OK, because you always have to give people a way to vent. It would be better if they grew up and got over their stupidity, but we can't count on that. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:23:10 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 12 12:10:43 2009. Another reply by an autistic foamer. |
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Posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 12 12:25:00 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:23:10 2009. See Subject. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:26:04 2009, in response to Re: Ban RonInBayside, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 12 12:25:00 2009. See subject |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:35:43 2009, in response to Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sat Apr 11 10:57:20 2009. Another thread ready for the garbage.This board proves over and over and over again that it's always a "Who's got the biggest balls" contest. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 12:36:53 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun Apr 12 11:38:56 2009. By the way, this is probably as good a time as many to commend MNCR on its ability to gradually improve and restore Harlem Line service, with electrification to Southeast (ex-Brewster North), and running 26 trains to/from a point about 83 miles from GCT (the last train out of NY drops out short of Wassaic, although I forget where exactly).Contrast that to LIRR service to a place like Mastic-Shirley (60+ miles from NYP), or even worse, to Yaphank (a little under 60 miles to NYP). |
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Re: Ban RonInBayside |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Apr 12 12:37:54 2009, in response to Re: Ban RonInBayside, posted by Ken S. on Sun Apr 12 12:25:00 2009.  |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED |
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Posted by R30A on Sun Apr 12 12:39:47 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:35:43 2009. Those who need to prove seem to have nothing to prove... |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 12:46:39 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:35:43 2009. Another thread ready for the garbage.As the person who started the topic, I hope not. This board proves over and over and over again that it's always a "Who's got the biggest balls" contest. It's the same tired old nonsense, by the same fools have nothing new to say, just the same shit recycled in new packaging. Boys....not men. |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:46:40 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 11:54:45 2009. Agreed. The frequency of service and demand at Port Jeff does not make a good case for service extension further east. Of course I won't say that in 20 years there won't be a different situation... |
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Posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:58:22 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 12:46:39 2009. Of course it's not your "fault".On this board as a thread gets more and more responses, time and time again the topic gets side tracked and the mud slinging starts. Whenever somebody accuses somebody else of unwarranted personal attacks there is always denials. "He started it". I doubt if there is anybody with the balls to say the nonsense they post to people's faces that they post here. Otherwise, there would be some REAL ass kicking. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Sun Apr 12 13:01:31 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:58:22 2009. It's all fucking pathetic. Over a train forum. Fucking foamers, all piss me off. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 13:06:28 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become REEFED, posted by Bill From Maspeth on Sun Apr 12 12:58:22 2009. From children, maybe. adults don't resort to violence. |
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Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Sun Apr 12 13:08:11 2009, in response to Re: Significant part of former LIRR Wading River Branch to become rail trail, posted by RonInBayside on Sun Apr 12 12:46:40 2009. The frequency of service and demand at Port Jeff does not make a good case for service extension further east.I'm not sure how one can establish that without studying where commuters to Port Jefferson and Stony Brook are originating. The station in Port Jefferson isn't exactly at the center of action there. Hence, distinguishing between Port Jefferson Station and Port Jefferson (proper), as in, e.g., Huntington. Since the extension to Wading River parallels NY-25A and that is the major east-west thoroughfare on the north shore of LI in the relevant territory, an argument could be made, depending on where people originate from, that extension would drastically reduce commuting time for a sizable chunk of the ridership. Of course I won't say that in 20 years there won't be a different situation... I am not as familiar with patterns of development in the relevant area, although there are new subdivisions that have been built over the past few years. But there is an argument to be made that things wouldn't be very much different, in terms of prospective ridership, than they are at present, at least in the sense that if extension isn't warranted now, it wouldn't be warranted then. My own comment that LIRR's failure to electrify to Port Jefferson speaks volumes about its capacity (or lack thereof) to re-extend service to Wading River was not meant to imply that the non-electrified Port Jefferson Branch lacks for ridership, especially as compared to other non-electrified territory. Indeed, LIRR found that electrification to Port Jefferson was warranted, but not feasible because they were unable to site a yard; they did not explain why the present yard facilities east of Port Jefferson station are inadequate (even if improved). In light of that, I don't see how LIRR would be able to restore service past housing stock built quite close to the Wading River extension in the decades since the late 1930s. |
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