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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:27:06 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Wed Mar 11 23:42:44 2009. That'd be even worse! At least with the super express on the PW it'd be a one seat ride. Now you wanna transfer at Bayside AND have a slower ride? No thanks |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:29:02 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 12:25:36 2009. I've been on 10 car Far Rock trains, and 8 car trains from other lines out of Penn. I'm thinking they're there to meet demand for commutes to Hofstra University straight from the city. Both trains are early and both arrive in Hempstead before 8 AM. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:29:18 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:02:50 2009. NYP isn't a limiting factor? Are you kidding? NYP is the biggest limiting factor on the entire RR for peak direction travel. Yes, the single track from Great Neck to PW would have to be addressed, but to ignore NYPs capacity issues to just idiotic. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:30:58 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 08:01:29 2009. There's the MOW yard just east of Bayside already. I always said that there should be a full time extended city-zone ticket service with frequent trains to Bayside, and let them layover in the MOW yard. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:32:06 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:03:58 2009. Agreed. There's plenty of space for it as well. Even if you wanted to double track all the way from Plandome to PW it would be possible. I go off roading all the time along the tracks between the two stations, it's all trees and a creek. |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:36:18 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 12:06:01 2009. I feel like it might be for workers in the Hempstead/Nassau Hub area, as well as Hofstra/NCC students. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:41:21 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:29:18 2009. There's plenty of train service to meet PW demand west of Great Neck. Unfortunately it cannot run out to PW to meet the demand east of Great Neck. There's no need to increase service on the line in general, there's a need to allow the trains which are forced to end at Great Neck to continue east to serve Manhasset and PW itself. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:43:30 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:22:35 2009. This is what I don't understand about railroad.net. It's a perfectly on topic question to discuss. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 12 19:04:16 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:27:06 2009. Not even with the White Castle burger up on Bell and Northern? :0) |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 20:31:03 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:30:58 2009. That's a very short yard, though - not adequate for 850' long trains at all as I am recalling it. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 12 20:41:41 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 20:31:03 2009. Enough for a shuttle train put in or a special? Say, four cars long? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 21:06:49 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Mar 12 20:41:41 2009. LIRR doesn't seem to run 4-car EMU trains in service anymore, at least since the M7s got in, and maybe well before that; I've been on a 6 car peak train on the branch and that wasn't pretty. There's no third rail too; I don't know whether you could add it without making adjustments at the substation or not.Plus the configuration of BAY makes it very awkward move. Tk 2 handles e/b service, and for an e/b terminating at Bayside, it's a reverse move that's going to tie up service on the entire branch. Considering all of these changes' cost (third rail, maybe extend ASC, re-do BAY, extend tracks), it's worth exploring if it's not just more bang for the buck to build a new yard east of BAY. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Mar 12 21:08:48 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 12 17:21:10 2009. "I am still at a loss to explain why that morning diesel from Speonk stops at Kew Gardens. "Perhaps the only slot available for that train is on the local track right behind another local, so it may as well stop. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 21:17:13 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Thu Mar 12 16:51:37 2009. It might be the train order headed w/b from JAY. For some reason, the train is assigned to tk 3, and it might as well take dwell time at Kew Gardens?Does anyone know which train is assigned to tk 3 as that train's leader? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 21:17:47 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:43:30 2009. Exactly - what kind of sense does that make??? |
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Posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 12 23:06:45 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Mar 12 17:27:06 2009. At least with the super express on the PW it'd be a one seat ride. Now you wanna transfer at Bayside AND have a slower ride?I was actually stating for NYCTA to run with the LIRR on the same tracks. In other words, the LIRR keeps going to NYP for the commuters, and NYCTA runs into 63rd Street Upper Level. Of course, the FRA would never allow that... Still, if somebody put a gun to my head, the PW Line of all the LIRR lines has the most interesting potential to be a "subway" line since it's basically isolated from the rest of the LIRR and has no freight service. It would be nice if NYCTA could aim for a 3 door 2 X 2 with plush seating set up with 80 mph MAS and 3.0 mph/s for said service... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 13 08:23:26 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Thu Mar 12 23:06:45 2009. If they are going to do that, they may as well leave it the LIRR. Why should the MTA take over the line, provide a service likke that, and reduce the fare on the line from LIRR fares to subway fares? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 13 08:24:42 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Mar 13 08:23:26 2009. I meant, "why should the MTA have the subway take over the line, provide a service like that, and then reduce the fares from LIRR fare to subway fare". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:38:17 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Mar 12 18:43:30 2009. It's that board's "76th St", meaning there's no way to answer it which will end any debate. These threads usually descend into flamefests with one person suggesting a reason and others riduculing it. I once suggested that it might be a courtesy train for LIRR employees headed to Arch St. in the morning that live near Kew Gardens. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:41:19 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Mar 12 21:17:47 2009. RR.net has strict moderators. I once had a post removed when I dared to suggest that the Jews that live in Monsey would fight any restoration of service on the Pascack Valley line between Spring Valley and Suffern. I might be thought of as anti-Semitic, or some other stuff. And forget discussing photography stuff. Remember that video I posted of an NJT engineer lecturing a photographer? The thread it was posted to on RR.net was locked within an hour. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri Mar 13 12:43:01 2009, in response to Re: Wondering about the LIRR's ESA Project, posted by Andrew Saucci on Thu Mar 12 21:08:48 2009. Why Kew Gardens and not Forest Hills? Most LIC/HPA diesels use the eastbound express track anyway, and it's hardly at capacity. |
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