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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 17:14:21 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 11 14:58:51 2009. Whatever what was "north" or "south" as far as directions on the line,The ramp to the Brooklyn Bridge was on the physical south end of the Chambers Street Station. |
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Posted by randyo on Wed Mar 11 17:18:18 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 17:14:21 2009. If you read my original post, I specified that the "balcony" was at the physical south but railroad north end of the station. |
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Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Wed Mar 11 18:26:36 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 5 16:27:57 2009. A website like Joe Brennan's ghost station site or Kevin Walsh's Forgotten-NY would be nice as well. And, there is always Wikipedia. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 18:38:49 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Wed Mar 11 18:26:36 2009. The only objection I have about Wikipedia is that you never know how much of the infomation posted on it is correct or not. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 18:45:28 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 11 17:18:18 2009. I read your original post.The balcony was at the physical north end of the station. Look to the right as a Queensbound J or M train is leaving Chambers St. The provision to the Brooklyn Bridge was at the physical south end of the station. |
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Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Wed Mar 11 22:50:49 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Fri Mar 6 16:08:43 2009. So that is what I see on the right of Q/N trains coming over the bridge on the southbound side? I think there is some "room" there now in the trackway? |
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Posted by Ed Alfonsin on Wed Mar 11 23:00:16 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Fri Mar 6 16:15:20 2009. If you're talking about a northbound ramp that goes left (or used to go lef) from the Brighton track just beyond Atlantic, that's the connection to the DeKalb bypass that was removed as part of the DeKalb reconstruction. It was used by the morning Brighton Specials that stopped at Atlantic with the next stop Chambers Street.I don't know if rails were ever installed on the ramp up to the Brighton from the bypass on the southbound side. I've never seen a reference to that. Ed Alfonsin Potsdam, New York |
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Posted by metropod on Wed Mar 11 23:01:23 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 18:45:28 2009. provision to BB=Balcony. |
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Posted by metropod on Wed Mar 11 23:06:16 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 11 04:36:08 2009. that was for extra track space. the Broad Street/4th ave line bound platform was supposed to be the one to take the ramp.this is close enough, 
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Posted by MCI D4000 81994 on Wed Mar 11 23:13:23 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Wed Mar 11 23:06:16 2009. I remember seeing some pics a while back which were supposed to be on the trackbed going to the bridge looking down into Chambers Street. I might have saved them and I'll have to look but does someone else have them? |
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Posted by 3-9 on Wed Mar 11 23:23:03 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel portal and el stub at 149th St, posted by randyo on Wed Mar 11 15:06:24 2009. Ah, thanks for the explanation! |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 00:15:37 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Wed Mar 11 23:01:23 2009. South end of Chambers St Station. |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 00:53:17 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 00:15:37 2009. how about we stop this becuase I don't think we're all on the same page. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 05:34:08 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 00:53:17 2009. I don't think we're at the same station.Much less the same page. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:19:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 00:53:17 2009. What? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:24:01 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 00:15:37 2009. I thought it was at the north end of the station. Someone needs to give a diagram of that.... |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:35:03 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Tue Mar 3 22:06:30 2009. I ride the (C) line a lot as well and it is interesting to note that at the emergency exit east of Broadway Junction is where a little turn off/bellmouth for that proposed IND line is. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:48:22 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Wed Mar 11 17:14:21 2009. Just south of the BMT Nassau Line (J/Z,M) Broad St. station, are tail tracks R3 and R4. Did these tracks ever merge back into R1/R2 before entering the Montague Street tube, or where these always simply storage tracks? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:52:02 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:48:22 2009. It looks like there's a turn off just north of Atlantic Avenue on the IRT Eastern Parkway Line(2,3,4,5), where it looks like at first glance a connection between the IRT and LIRR. |
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Posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Mar 12 09:54:44 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:24:01 2009. You're more likely to be correct than he. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:56:01 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:48:22 2009. On Wikipedia it says: "After Nevins Street(Upper Level), at the curve(going northbound), is a short trackway that splits towards the Manhattan Bridge". Is this true? I never seen it before. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 10:07:56 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Mar 12 09:54:44 2009. Take a look at the area from the street.The balcony is at the north side of the Munciple Building. And the Brooklyn Bridge is more accessible at the south side of same building. |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:13:14 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:48:22 2009. R1 and R2 begin to drop down and away from R3 and R4 before they end |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 10:14:01 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:48:22 2009. The tail tracks probably were likely always just turning trains since they were first built. |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:15:30 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Tony Clifton on Thu Mar 12 09:54:44 2009. it's the south end. take my word, I stood on the dam thing. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 10:16:47 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:52:02 2009. Likely it was built by August Belmont so that he could have private train service from his Belmont Hotel near Grand Central and Belmont Race Track in Elmont, L.I. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:24:22 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:15:30 2009. Oh, really.... |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:36:00 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:24:22 2009. I drew this from what I rememeber the Brooklyn bridge tunnels are connected to a system of tunnels call the Wine Celler" after this chamber pictured below  and for further evidence of my point i found this thread on Subtalk from 2000 |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:40:06 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:36:00 2009. So that's what the tunnel look like... |
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Posted by metropod on Thu Mar 12 10:43:05 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:40:06 2009. the picture in the middle is not part of the bridge tunnel. it's attached via a passageway, and the system of tunnels there is named after it. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 10:46:12 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 09:56:01 2009. I think that would have been more of the Lower Level at Nevins Street. I never noticed anything from the curve on the upper level. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:53:36 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 10:46:12 2009. No it's on a curve on the upper level AFTER Nevins Street going N/B. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:21:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 10:53:36 2009. Viewable from the rear window of a Northbound Fulton Street local, now aka (C) train, after it ends the curve from Pennsylvania Avenue and is east of Braodway Junction station, there is a short section of empty straight trackway that joins the local track. What was that for? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:24:09 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:21:26 2009. Are you talking about Nevins Street or Broadway Jumction? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:24:42 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:24:09 2009. Both now. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:32:37 2009, in response to Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Mar 3 18:49:05 2009. The IND Hillside Ave/Queens Blvd line terminates at 179th Street. That station was opened in 1950. When the trains turn around, the (F)go into tunnel east of the station, and relay there. I would like to know how far east of the station the tunnel extends and if there are any plans to extend the line further. I did see some map that indicated the city originally wanted to extend the line as far as Little Neck Parkway. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:35:14 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:24:42 2009. I wish you'd stay on a single location.You've been dancing around from Broad Street to Nevins St then to B'way-Junction. |
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Posted by B47man on Thu Mar 12 11:41:31 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:32:37 2009. The tunnel goes as far as 183-184 Sts. The second system plans call for the line to be extended as far as Springfield Bvld. There are rumors of a station shell there. That's why Hillside Av widens so considerably after 217 St. Later revised plans called for the extension to Little Neck Pkwy. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:42:10 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:35:14 2009. lol |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:43:26 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by B47man on Thu Mar 12 11:41:31 2009. Oh, ok. A station shell is located there? I did not know that. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:45:44 2009, in response to Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Tue Mar 3 18:49:05 2009. After exiting the tunnel from Seventh Avenue on the IND Culver (F) Line we arrive at Fourth Avenue. At 4th Avenue station the G uses the express track to cross over to the northbound local track. If the train stayed on the express track there is a track that ramps down under the elevated part and is not seen again. I have theorized that there is some sort of connection. If anybody knows where the track leads to, please tell me. Thanx. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:46:01 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:43:26 2009. And I heard there is s subway tunnel in the area of Alley Pond Park. |
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Posted by B47man on Thu Mar 12 11:48:00 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:43:26 2009. Supposedly. No one wants to confirm this. Or rumors of a ghost line along 73rd Ave to Alley Pond Park. You know how this urban legend stuff goes. |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:48:15 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:46:01 2009. Wow! Real or False? |
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Posted by znufrii on Thu Mar 12 11:55:12 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:45:44 2009. That is a relay track cut into the viaduct at a level grade, while the rest inclines. There is no connection. I don't know if it's visible with the current rehab project, but you used to be able to see from underneath the viaduct where it ended. |
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Posted by Dan on Thu Mar 12 11:55:21 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:48:15 2009. More speculation and rumor. I think such tunnel structures would have been "re-discovered" by now. Physical evidence like sidewalk grating, etc.Supposedly though there is a section of Hillside Avenue in the 200s Street range with glass tiles in the sidewalk which may indicate something below street level. Can any of our Queens subchatters confirm or deny this? |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:58:32 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 11:45:44 2009. Going toward Manhattan or toward Coney Island? |
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Posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 12:04:40 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 11:58:32 2009. Going towards Manhattan. |
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Posted by B47man on Thu Mar 12 12:07:13 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by Dan on Thu Mar 12 11:55:21 2009. On Hillside Av around 218 & 219 Sts. I'm from Bklyn but had a girlfriend who lived on 219 St near Hillside. Had to walk that way to catch the Q43 back to the subway. |
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Posted by daDouce Man on Thu Mar 12 12:08:44 2009, in response to Re: Tunnel stubs, posted by bigrene22 on Thu Mar 12 12:04:40 2009. What happened to the express tracks after they sink under the local tracks at Carroll Street? |
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