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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Mar 6 08:12:52 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Mar 5 11:36:00 2009.

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I guess the card games died out when the trains stopped having flipover reversible seats. Now there are only 8 spots in each car where you can have a game. I remember when guys on my block were tipped off by a conductor that the police were going to raid their game on the Hempstead line.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Mar 6 08:49:08 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mark S. Feinman on Thu Mar 5 13:59:44 2009.

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By and large, yes. Using a phone on the train DOES serve a purpose if you're running late and want to give your status and ETA. Or if you're planning to meet someone and you're not sure where.

But hearing someone's bragging or intimate details in a stage voice is BEYOND rude. "Yeah, after he bought me a few drinks I brought him back to my apartment, got him all hot, and then told him my jealous boyfriend would be home any minute. So I gave him a phony phone number. Tonight I'll do it again with another one. Aren't guys JERKS?"

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Mar 6 08:59:02 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Thu Mar 5 17:11:38 2009.

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Unfortunately that can be suicidal. I've seen near fights break out when someone asks someone else in a polite manner to tone down the convesation. People who don't care how loud or annoying they may be to other people will not react in a rational manner.

This also goes for ringtones. Once on the D express run from 36th to Pacific, a middle-aged man politely asked a young woman to refrain from playing the same tone she'd been playing over and over since 71st or 79th Street. Not only did she become abusive, but her two male friends and another couple of teenage girls NOT EVEN WITH HER ganged up on the guy. When he got off at Pacific, they FOLLOWED him. Since nothing was in the news that night or in the paper the next day, it must not have escalated too much.

But one day there's going to be a stabbing or shooting. There's been over less.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Howard Fein on Fri Mar 6 09:07:22 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Mixed feelings. If you're underground for a long period of time, such as on an original IND line, you may miss a call of actual consequence. I have. Or if you have to make a call, it would require leaving face control to get to street level. For those with an Unlimited Metrocard, it's no big deal. But for those who don't, it's a $2.00 surcharge.

Wiring the underground for cell phones would eliminate two potentially comic scenarios that we see every day:

-Someone on the phone when the train goes underground. "Hello- hello- HELLO- HELLO?! What HAPPENED? I can't HEAR you!!"

-When the train breaks the surface, you see everyone reach for their phones in Pavlovian fashion. Or you hear a chorus of different ringtones simulteneously.

I never found the underground particularly peaceful for lack of cell phone use. There's still leaky headphones, leaky iPods, leaky MP3s, people who test ringtones, candy kids, bogus charity workers, religious zealots, unwanted musical performances, and of course your everyday garden variety panhandler.



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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by vfrt on Fri Mar 6 10:09:49 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by rr4567 on Thu Mar 5 16:14:58 2009.

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Cell phone service in the subway is a good idea. That way if someone sees a kid stealing transit property the police can be called.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Aq Arcticson on Fri Mar 6 15:14:09 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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Let it happen. If other people's conversations are too loud for your taste, just listen to your iPod...

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Mar 6 15:15:33 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by vfrt on Fri Mar 6 10:09:49 2009.

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Exactly.

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Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?)

Posted by Ken S. on Fri Mar 6 17:32:15 2009, in response to Re: Nay (Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?), posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Fri Mar 6 15:15:33 2009.

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Have we decided to keep dragging this up until "Crappy McCrappers" gets put on a bus in Brooklyn?

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by EastSideRider on Fri Mar 6 22:22:02 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Mar 6 08:59:02 2009.

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Heh, that's why I said don't act like a smart ass when telling someone to tone it down a bit. But my personal opinion was just let it be, because stuff like what you said can happen.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Henry R32 #3730 on Sat Mar 7 15:00:00 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by EastSideRider on Fri Mar 6 22:22:02 2009.

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Yup, which is exactly why there needs to be a technical restriction against it. I shouldn't need to be able to outmuscle or outgun a group of people just to shut an annoying person up.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Train Dude on Sat Mar 7 15:03:18 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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nay

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by trainsarefun on Sat Mar 7 15:12:44 2009, in response to Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Mar 5 09:00:12 2009.

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I'm mostly opposed.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Grand Concourse on Sat Mar 7 15:26:27 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by R36 #9346 on Thu Mar 5 11:56:00 2009.

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Hem, I wouldn't mind free wifi.

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Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?

Posted by Marc A. Rivlin on Sat Mar 7 22:39:15 2009, in response to Re: Cell Phone Service in the Subways - Yea or Nay?, posted by Jeff Rosen on Thu Mar 5 11:05:32 2009.

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There's a difference. I find loud conversations between two (or among several) people the exception and not the rule on the train. For some reason, etiquette not caught up with cell phone behavior, nor has the technology caught up with the fact that many calls are being overheard on both ends. People talk as though they are alone in a soundproof room. The technology (ie: poor call quality) seems to demand shouting on the part of both parties to the call.

I would add that there does not seem to be a safety demand for cell phones. Perhaps, there would have been in the era when I grew up when muggings were much more prevalent, but that is just not the case today. We don't have a body of evidence that cell phones would make the subway safety. I see the convenience argument, but I don't think that outweighs the annoyance.

Therefore, I'd just as soon not have cell phones on the trains and platforms. Then again, I do not have nor do I intend to get a cell phone, so I am more of an outlier.

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