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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:32:48 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 30 23:23:33 2008. Save it! Staten Islanders have to walk further for the R/W & 4/5 and there's no complaints.I see the new SF entrance almost everyday and it is RIGHT THERE within a few steps of the terminal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 30 23:33:58 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:32:48 2008. Why would anyone complain about how it's always been? How is that even relevant? Can you stick to the discussion about how the location of the new SF subway terminal is just one of many reasons why the new terminal is not automatically superior to the old terminal. |
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Posted by straphanger9 on Sun Nov 30 23:36:49 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by kew gardens teleport on Sun Nov 30 16:03:24 2008. Interesting... No need to fumigate the trains at the Green then. But one reason I've heard given for why the loop is "no passengers" has to do with 5 trains sitting for longer periods of time there than the 6 in the City Hall loop. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:42:17 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 30 23:33:58 2008. I'm not going to debate with you, Good night! |
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Posted by South FERRY on Mon Dec 1 02:49:25 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Broadway Lion on Sun Nov 30 12:39:17 2008. ....damn..... |
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Posted by MJF on Mon Dec 1 04:59:31 2008, in response to Re: Starting Monday....., posted by RonInBayside on Sun Nov 30 23:16:40 2008. I never got a chance to break-in on that portion of the Archer line (so technically, I'm still not qualified on the E from Kew Gardens to Parsons), but I believe they used the Jamaica Yard leads just south of Van Wyck Blvd. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Mon Dec 1 09:30:32 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:32:48 2008. Actually, the new entrance to the station will be on board the boat.A watertight connection attaches to the hull of the boat, and people use a fire pole to drop right down onto the subway platform. ROARING |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 09:54:14 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:32:48 2008. What you guys seem to be neglecting is that the current entrance is superior to the future entrance in terms of location. Most design professionals would agree that doing this is a step backwards. Yes, there are other aspects of the station that are an improvement, but entrance location is not one of them.The issue of whether or not the location is worse is a fact, not an opinion. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 10:01:49 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 30 23:23:33 2008. It's a terrible one. By that logic, I will demand an entrance to my home station in my building's basement. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 10:04:13 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 09:54:14 2008. Exactly. Tydev has been caught up on this misconception of what an opinion (vs. a fact) is, for years. Others as well. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 10:07:51 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 10:01:49 2008. No, it is not a terrible one. And that logic does not lend itself to you asking for an entrance to your station from your basement. I don't know how you even came up with that. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 11:42:24 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 10:07:51 2008. False. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 12:13:00 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 10:01:49 2008. Do you already have a subway entrance in your basement? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 12:16:35 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 11:42:24 2008. Nope. If you feel so strongly that you are correct, then maybe you can explain your logic. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Dec 1 12:39:15 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Nov 30 23:33:58 2008. Aside from the entrance being a couple more steps away, how ELSE is the new terminal inferior?The new terminal allows platforming of 10 cars. That's a plus. The new terminal allows two trains to relay. That's a plus. The new terminal is an ACTUAL TERMINAL. That's a plus. The new terminal is ADA. That's a plus. The new terminal will supposedly handle crowding levels much better, making it easier to get in and out of the station. That's a plus. The new terminal doesn't have gap fillers to break down and cause the station to go out of service. That's a huge plus. Because of these factors, there's no need to hold trains at Chambers St in order to get the trains back on schedule, nor is there a need to stop and hold at EVERY station south of 14th St to let people walk up to the first 5 cars. That's a huge plus. The new terminal will eventually have an in-system connection to Whitehall St, which gives Brooklyn riders a much easier transfer to the 1 train. That's a huge plus. So what are the other cons of the new terminal, and how do they over-shadow these pros? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 1 13:09:46 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Dec 1 12:39:15 2008. "The new terminal will supposedly handle crowding levels much better, making it easier to get in and out of the station. That's a plus."Opening more than one entrance will do that all by itself. The station designers did a lot more than that. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 13:44:06 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by checkthedoorlight on Mon Dec 1 12:39:15 2008. sorry, i meant to say "not automatically superior to one or more of the other options for using the money for the south ferry station." if you'd like, i can address your comments in that conext if you are still interested. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 15:34:07 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Sun Nov 30 23:42:17 2008. Then don't post claims that you can't backup. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:09:57 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 12:13:00 2008. Why would I demand one, if I had one already? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 16:13:52 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:09:57 2008. My point was that SF already has an entrance more convenient to the terminal. It's not like you already have an entrance in your basement which you will be loosing. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:15:42 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 12:16:35 2008. Huh? I clearly did so in my previous post. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:19:22 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 16:13:52 2008. That was only a temporary measure due to construction. As posted further up in this thread, past entrances were outside the bounds of the ferry terminal. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:19:41 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:15:42 2008. I don't see it. Specifically, I'm looking to see how replacing an existing entrance in the ferry terminal with one outside the terminal but wanting one to still be within the terminal is the equivalent (in terms of logic) of wanting to add a subway entrance in your basement. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:24:33 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:19:41 2008. Huh? I think you missed the boat. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 16:29:21 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:19:22 2008. OK, but this means that in terms of portal accessibility to the Ferry terminal, the 'temp' setup was better.Personally, I don't think a little walking hurt anyone, but the fact is: moving the terminal entrance further away is a bad thing. Maybe a minor thing, but still bad. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:33:05 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 16:29:21 2008. Yes it is inconvenient.Is it worth starting a riot for? No. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:45:32 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:19:22 2008. Huh? The current entrance is built into the new terminal. How is that temporary? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:47:13 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:24:33 2008. No I didn't. A statement was made that moving the entrance outside the ferry terminal is a step backward. And you claimed that wanting it to remain within the terminal is like wanting to add an entrance to the subway from your basement. I claimed that logically the two are not equivalent. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:52:41 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:47:13 2008. False. As I have stated, that was not my point. Stop trying to be psychic. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:54:59 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:52:41 2008. Then why don't you tell us what your point was? |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:01:13 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 16:54:59 2008. Huh? I don't know how to make it any clearer. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:08:07 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:01:13 2008. Huh? We're talking about what you said later, about adding an entrance from your basement. Again, I'm asking how that is relevant to the posts that came before it. Adding an entrance from your basement is unrelated to the points made in this thread. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Mon Dec 1 17:12:28 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 16:19:22 2008. When the new Ferry Terminal was in the design stage, DOT asked if there was any plans to redesign South Ferry that Transit was working on. When they were told "No" (amidst great snickering on the part of Transit), the decision was made to incorporate the current station into the Terminal building for convenience. The entrance to Whitehall Station would be accessed by a roofed over (no walls) walkway, the sweep of which was designed into the Terminal.With the onslaught of silly designing, all the money DOT spent on the South Ferry Station entrance is wasted, the walkway to Whitehall had to be redesigned (since that entrance moved), while Transit propagated the concept that new terminal station, which is deeper and farther from the Ferry, is in fact closer that the current one. |
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Posted by Alex L. on Mon Dec 1 17:16:35 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Wado MP73 on Sun Nov 30 22:30:59 2008. But no SIers on SubChat have complained about it so farYou should go back and check some of the numerous posts I've made on this subject over the years. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:20:02 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:08:07 2008. Nope. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:22:37 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:20:02 2008. "Nope" what? We are, I am, and it is, respectively. Your basement point was irrelevant. And your original post was untrue as I already noted. |
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Posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:23:40 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:22:37 2008. Nope. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:33:20 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Kriston Lewis on Mon Dec 1 17:23:40 2008. Why are you playing the very games you like to make fun of others for doing? As I wrote: "Nope" what? We are, I am, and it is, respectively. Your basement point was irrelevant. And your original post was untrue as I already noted. |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Dec 1 19:36:48 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 09:54:14 2008. WRONG. It's not a step-back nor are you stating a fact. The current entrance is JUST ANOTHER TEMPORARY ENTRANCE. We've been through THREE already! This is NOTHING NEW! Where the hell were you guys when we had to walk outside for about 12 steps to the temporary entrances from 2002 to 2005!I just had to travel today and you can now see were the roof of the new entrance is and it's practically touching the structure that holds up "STATEN". Is there not another topic you guys can bring up like the M/V Combo or 76th Street because you're BEATING A DEAD HORSE! |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Dec 1 19:41:27 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 17:33:20 2008. You've said enough!
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Posted by Pelham Bay Dave on Mon Dec 1 19:59:23 2008, in response to Re: Starting Monday....., posted by G1Ravage on Sun Nov 30 11:35:08 2008. They did the same thing for South Ferry after 9/11 when it reopen all the new T/O's and C/R's had to report to Chambers St on thier own time.Now in the B Div there is one section I quilified myself to operate on the line since I never travaled on the section of track during Posting or Road Ops. However on my own I travaled the section many time. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 22:39:51 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Dec 1 19:36:48 2008. I don't know what entrance you are talking about, but I believe the rest of us are talking about the permanent entrance that leads into the ferry terminal building.Furthermore, no matter how many times you deny it (and you've been denying it for years now), facts don't cease being facts because you think they've been discussed too much. The facts are that replacing an interior entrance with an exterior entrance is a step backwards in that regard. |
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Posted by metropod on Mon Dec 1 23:46:12 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 22:39:51 2008.  I think he's talking about the round entrance on the far left attached to the terminal building. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 23:56:10 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Mon Dec 1 19:36:48 2008. WRONG. It's not a step-back nor are you stating a fact.No.... not quite.... Entrance WITHIN a building to facilitate intermodal use is inherently better than one outside of the building. That is a fact. I don't wanna sound like an egomaniac, but I design buildings for a living, and in fact, In school I took a class on transportation architecture. Virtually ANY design professional would tell you the exact same thing. Now, I'm not saying that this fact makes the new SF terminal a failure, but I am saying that it is one aspect of the new terminal that is inferior to what presently exists. That is a fact, whether or not you like it. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 23:58:34 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by metropod on Mon Dec 1 23:46:12 2008. No, aren't those the new entrances? I'm talking about the one to the existing station. This one:    
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 23:59:13 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by J trainloco on Mon Dec 1 23:56:10 2008. Exactly. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Dec 2 09:13:59 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Alex L. on Mon Dec 1 17:16:35 2008. I didn't know or totally forgot you were a SIer too... I gathered good info from your past posts about it. |
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Posted by metropod on Tue Dec 2 09:27:26 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 1 23:58:34 2008. SIR said: "I just had to travel today and you can now see were the roof of the new entrance is and it's practically touching the structure that holds up "STATEN". "you said: "I don't know what entrance you're talking about" I answered your question. SIR is talking about the far left entrance in the picture. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Dec 2 09:48:52 2008, in response to Re: They Need to... (was): Starting Monday....., posted by metropod on Tue Dec 2 09:27:26 2008. But is that entrance open? |
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Posted by (SIR) North Shore Line on Tue Dec 2 18:26:50 2008, in response to Starting Monday....., posted by Stef on Sun Nov 30 02:11:59 2008. Around 5pm, I passed through Whitehall St to head to the SI Ferry and noticed that some workers had some of the blue wall removed and you were able to see clear into the newer mezzanine. The new area was very bright of course, matching the colors (or lack of) that could be seen in the recent pics posted up on nycsubway.orgThey seemed to be removing the emergency exit at Whitehall closest to the blue wall, I'm assuming to prepare for the new transfer. |
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