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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by trainsarefun* on Wed Jul 9 20:37:24 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 9 19:09:32 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d My read of the political situation is unfortunately that freight wouldn't be allowed to go under Manhattan Island. Of course, if you line up the right politicians to not oppose the plan, then it's different.
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car* on Wed Jul 9 20:43:31 2008, in response to Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 21:39:30 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Though Jeremiah Healy is usually full of crap. The Pass-Through station at Hoboken would be EXCELLENT(actually it has been a fantasy of mine for a while). It would be FAR more useful than the crap they are making now.
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by WillD* on Wed Jul 9 21:54:08 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Wed Jul 9 20:43:31 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Why put the station under Hoboken? A station under Jersey City is far closer to the commercial development and offers all the connections to PATH and HBLRT which a Hoboken site would.
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car* on Wed Jul 9 21:58:08 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by WillD on Wed Jul 9 21:54:08 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Well, i have said that a station under Kennedy Boulevard would be nice, i think a station at hoboken terminal would be nice too, because it is close enough to jersey city's downtown area, plus the PATH and HBLR connect to it. Plus Hoboken can finally get some decent service.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Wed Jul 9 22:23:01 2008, in response to Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 9 20:11:33 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Send the Hudson Line to Penn Station and I'll buy that.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Jul 9 22:25:04 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:23:01 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Change at Yonkers, and you can go there now. :)
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Wed Jul 9 22:27:09 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 9 22:25:04 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Too prohibitive, time wise and cost wise. But you knew that. Coincidentally, I AM going to Yonkers tomorrow morning...
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by monorail* on Wed Jul 9 22:41:27 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:27:09 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d will you be staying there???????
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Jul 9 22:45:48 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:27:09 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d But it will get you there, for a few dollars more. :) While in town, please feel free to moon the Hudson Park apartments for me - part of my southbound rituals on the big train as I go by. Heh.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Wed Jul 9 22:55:49 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 9 22:45:48 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You seemed to have misread my post. There was a little something about time in there too. But you knew that. In other news, Yonkers is now canceled for tomorrow. Oh well.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Jul 9 22:59:12 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:55:49 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yonkers' loss ... and there is the last southbound about to go through there in about a half hour. You could have made it in the time remaining. :)
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Wed Jul 9 23:03:08 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 9 22:59:12 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, they probably lost parking meter revenue. No, I have no time remaining to go to Yonkers now.
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Why wasn't the station built downtown?
Posted by jb on Wed Jul 9 23:06:22 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jul 7 21:55:30 2008. edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That would have been ideal. And would have provided that ride to jfk that paturkey wanted plus it would have given the path station a realistic chance of looking like a real train station.
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Re: Why wasn't the station built downtown?
Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car* on Wed Jul 9 23:10:29 2008, in response to Why wasn't the station built downtown?, posted by jb on Wed Jul 9 23:06:22 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What do you mean? How does the PATH station not look like a real train station? The diagram posted here has a station downtown, but that is a railfan dream.
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Re: Why wasn't the station built downtown?
Posted by Olog-hai* on Wed Jul 9 23:11:45 2008, in response to Why wasn't the station built downtown?, posted by jb on Wed Jul 9 23:06:22 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d PA was not accommodating, most like. Especially when it comes to something like building it to the appropriate size. That would have been an interesting configuration for tunnels to downtown, though.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by SelkirkTMO* on Wed Jul 9 23:16:48 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 23:03:08 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Nepperhan's a hopping place ... used to live just south of there once. :)
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Re: Why wasn't the station built downtown?
Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car* on Wed Jul 9 23:22:18 2008, in response to Re: Why wasn't the station built downtown?, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 9 23:11:45 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Maybe a stop at liberty state park or exchange place before going to manhattan?
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jul 9 23:41:22 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Jul 9 18:51:04 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d That photo doesn't show the 8th Avenue Subway, it shows the Lincoln Tunnel Expressway.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Spider-Pig* on Wed Jul 9 23:51:47 2008, in response to Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 9 20:11:33 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I would drop 14th and add a stop in SoHo.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jul 10 00:37:44 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Jul 9 22:23:01 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Send the Hudson Line to Penn Station It already goes there. Via Amtrak. What you really want is the Hudson Line to go to St. John's Park Terminal, via a total rebuild of the West Side Line.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jul 10 00:39:19 2008, in response to Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 9 20:11:33 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d How did the ARC station end up south instead of north?
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by Olog-hai* on Thu Jul 10 00:40:50 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by trainsarefun on Wed Jul 9 20:37:24 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Funny you say that, and one of the intents of the subway was to run freight at night. (Presumably, it would have been connected to the general railway network to achieve that. Imagine an FRA-controlled NYC subway?)
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car* on Thu Jul 10 00:44:36 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 10 00:40:50 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d They really wanted to run freight in the subways?
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by The Port of Authority* on Thu Jul 10 00:48:21 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 10 00:39:19 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d It's more legible this way. Also, it's obviously not to scale.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by WillD* on Thu Jul 10 01:29:45 2008, in response to Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by The Port of Authority on Wed Jul 9 20:11:33 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Thank you, couldn't have done it better myself.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by SUBWAYSURF* on Thu Jul 10 06:23:05 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by monorail on Wed Jul 9 22:41:27 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Better call Yonkers and warn them. Maybe the Coyote sighted in Riverdale last night will get him.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Thu Jul 10 06:51:18 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 10 00:37:44 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d No. I meant what I said.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Fri Jul 11 02:04:07 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Terrapin Station on Thu Jul 10 06:51:18 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Yes, I know. Ain't no room in Penn and never will be.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Terrapin Station* on Fri Jul 11 06:25:18 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 11 02:04:07 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d You don't know that.
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by NIMBYkiller* on Mon Jul 14 01:16:10 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jul 11 02:04:07 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d If you through route their may be
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by NIMBYkiller* on Mon Jul 14 01:17:08 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Jul 10 00:40:50 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d I've never heard that before
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Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by RonInBayside* on Mon Jul 14 01:17:43 2008, in response to Re: Diagram (Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows), posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jul 10 06:23:05 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d LOL!
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Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows
Posted by RonInBayside* on Mon Jul 14 01:18:16 2008, in response to Re: Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu Jul 10 00:44:36 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d What do you think?
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Re: Tunnel Image (Opposition to ARC Project Grows)
Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Feb 22 18:33:20 2010, in response to Opposition to ARC Project Grows, posted by Forest Glen on Mon Jul 7 21:39:30 2008.* edf40wrjww2msgDetail:detailStr fiogf49gjkf0d Where did this article come from? Almost makes one clamor for a monorail replacement of the NEC. (Looks like a Babelfish mangling.) bookcost.net TUNNEL IMAGE — $5B ENVISAGE WOULD RELATE CITY TO 3 N.J. RANKS A due rail hovel joining New Jersey to Manhattan would give passengers the no-transfer float in to Penn Station by 2014, officials pronounced yesterday. The devise would be partial of the incomparable bid to enhance the region's commuter rail system. The Hudson River hovel devise — dubbed "Access to the Region's Core" — is approaching to price as most as $5 billion as well as is partial of the "larger blueprint" which would emanate the cohesive informal mass movement system. Riders who now take the Bergen, Main as well as Pascack lines would get the approach float in to the city with the assistance of the double back during the Secaucus Junction but carrying to shift trains to get in to the city. "People who work in the city do not wish to transfer," pronounced Rich Roberts, NJ Transit's arch planner. "They don't wish to get out of their seats. They wish the one-seat ride." Roberts pronounced the two-track hovel project, which is being concurrent by New Jersey Transit as well as the Port Authority, would revoke trade as well as have it simpler for people to get around New Jersey as well as in to the city. "This is the good devise which takes vigour off buses as well as reduces trade upon the roads entrance in as well as out of Manhattan," he said. The brand brand brand brand brand new hovel would additionally have it simpler to bond to Xanadu — the 104-acre site during the Meadowlands which will residence the sports as well as party formidable slated to open in 2007 — to Manhattan. Riders could take the due Hudson-Bergen Light Rail prolongation from the Meadowlands as well as send during the Tonnelle Avenue Station in North Bergen, afterwards take trains to Penn Station. "This would couple New Jersey's premier sports formidable with Penn Station as well as Times Square," Roberts said. The devise is partial of the incomparable mass movement bid in New Jersey which includes the 1½-mile tie to couple the Pascack Valley Line in East Rutherford to the brand brand brand brand brand new Meadowlands hire in 2007. The devise includes the 1½-mile connector in in between the Pascack Valley Line in East Rutherford to the brand brand brand brand brand new Meadowlands Station. The $150 million spur, which will be saved by the Port Authority, would bond riders in northern New Jersey to Xanadu by 2007. The devise additionally calls for regulating dual burden lines for newcomer make use of by using self-powered motor fuel trains along the tracks, which widen north in the single citation to Tenafly as well as northwest in the alternative citation to Hawthorne. Another $200 million devise would concede trains to run but the assistance of the locomotive since the array of tiny engines would be merged to the wheels of newcomer cars. Roberts pronounced NJ Transit will run the feds to assistance compensate for the projects. "We're seeking during the accumulation of sources," he said. "Federal supports have regularly been partial of the collateral program." NJ Transit is spearheading the informal movement devise which will have removing in as well as out of New Jersey simpler than ever. Highlights include: A brand brand brand brand brand new Hudson River rail tunnel, giving New Jersey riders the approach float in to the city A 1½-mile connector from the Pascack Valley Line in East Rutherford to the brand brand brand brand brand new Meadowlands station A double back during Secaucus Junction which would let riders upon the Bergen, Main as well as Pascack Valley lines strech the city directly but carrying to send to an additional train A couple in in between the Hudson-Bergen Light Rail complement as well as the Xanadu sports as well as party complex The make use of of "diesel multiple-unit" trains — cars which do not need to be pulled by the locomotive — upon dual freight lines in North Jersey to bond Hackensack to Hawthorne as well as Tenafly Source: NJ Transit
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