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ANOTHER Police Encounter. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008  I recently had another encounter with ignorant misinformed cops who should have their badges removed and recycled for use as trim on the front of an R179. I'm a little late posting this (although I alluded to it earlier in another thread; didn't want to hijack it all the way, so I'm making a new thread now). I hope I'll be able to get another R32 on the F— I'd been taking RFW vid, and due to the aforementioned officers, I was unable to complete it end-to-end. :( Oh well. My dad works downtown; I can go out to lunch with him when I go to the CCRB. I estimate it'll be about six months to a year before I'm on a first name basis with an investigator there! *groan* |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 15 16:53:16 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. This is getting utterly ridiculous:Obviously, they are misinformed, are paranoid, deal with paranoid people a bit too much, or have to deal with supervisors who may be paranoid or overly security concious, or some combination of all of the above. That's the problem since 9/11. We are dealing with too many people who have become paranoid since then, especially since the bombings in London and Madrid as well. |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 15 16:59:56 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 15 16:53:16 2008. Each "incident" is harder to believe. |
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Posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu May 15 17:07:41 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Dave on Thu May 15 16:59:56 2008. Oh. I totally believe it. Ever since my incident at BROAD CHANNEL (probably the LAST place that would be a target for terrorism, and one of the FIRST places a nature photographer would go) in 2004, I fully believe that some MTA staff/NYPD have absolute no common sense at all when it comes to who is suspicious and needs to be questioned, and who is going about a harmless hobby. |
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Posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 17:31:14 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu May 15 17:07:41 2008. Thank you. Although it wouldn't particularly bother me if SubChatters didn't believe it. I've got the video proff for where it counts. I might get around to posting it at some point, but Photobucket only allows 5 minute videos, so I'll have to find alternative hosting if I am to display the video. Anyway, I got a summons ($25 fine) for "violation" of NYCRR 1050.9(c)— taking video without a permit. |
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Posted by R PansePCC on Thu May 15 17:32:37 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu May 15 17:07:41 2008. You mean they bothered you and not the people selling bootleg movies? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 17:41:23 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 17:31:14 2008. Anyway, I got a summons ($25 fine) for "violation" of NYCRR 1050.9(c)— taking video without a permit.Ahahaahahahahahahaha! Did the officer's copy of the rulebook have the previous text of the rule? The pre-1991 or whatever rules? |
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Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu May 15 17:42:31 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. OMG dude why do the cops like picking on you so much? It seem like every time you go railfanning the cops confront you. Maybe its the way you railfan do you use a big bulky camcorder? |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu May 15 18:53:44 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 17:31:14 2008. The officers violated 1050.9(c) by NOT letting you take the video - too bad they cannot be subject to citizen arrest!!!I believe Youtube allows for longer videos - you can edit it down to the relevant parts. Did you write to the NYCLU? |
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Posted by Broadway Buffer on Thu May 15 19:55:28 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by R33/R36 mainline on Thu May 15 17:42:31 2008. Using a big and bulky camcorder should reduce the idea of him being suspicious since he would obviously not be trying to conceal anything. |
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Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Thu May 15 19:56:36 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. You gotta be shitting me. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 15 20:24:17 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 17:41:23 2008. Probly knowt, but the ossifer has to write *something* and hope that you will not take it into court. But now you have the ossifers name and badge on a peice of paper, and your lawyer can pursue that. Most ossifers will not show up at a trial. Your lawyer can compel him to do so.ROAR |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 15 20:33:01 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. Rambo would know how to handle this. He was confronted by police in Rambo: First Blood, and they were mean to him, so he was mean back, but they tried to sodomize him or something, Rambo doesn't like being sodomized, so he unloads on the BAD cops..Seriously though, this is a shame. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Thu May 15 22:32:49 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Thu May 15 20:33:01 2008. But it is no longer surprising.There must be *something* about Nilet that lights off suspicions for these officers. Maybe the wrong haircut. Maybe the wrong attitude. Maybe the wrong Mother and Father. I cannot tell. But none of that matters, he is clearly in the right and they are less so. My younger brother *always* got in trouble driving my parents car. 17 year old punk looking kid, diving a Mercedes. Yeah right, pull him over and check him out. This went on until every officer on the beat knew who he was and what car he drove. Fortunately Merrick did not have as many officers assigned to it as New York City has. ROARING |
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Posted by Dave on Thu May 15 22:51:30 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Terrapin Station on Thu May 15 17:41:23 2008. No, I meant it was hard to believe that the cops are still busting people's chops about this. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Thu May 15 23:18:59 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Dave on Thu May 15 22:51:30 2008. Things were a bit slow over the winter but photographer vs. cop/security encounters are on the rise again across the country. All the photo site bulletin boards are full of stories this month. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 13:51:11 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by BMTLines on Thu May 15 18:53:44 2008. Youtube allows for 10 minutes of video but no more than 100mb's of video. But I believe you can ask youtube for permission or something if you video is lonjger than 10 mins. or 100mb's. |
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Posted by orange blossom special on Fri May 16 14:13:57 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Wallyhorse on Thu May 15 16:53:16 2008. This is 7/7. Unless you look like that, I do not get it. You live in a tourist city. You can go to flickr or youtube for pics from every drunk tourist. Big deal! |
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Posted by South Ferry on Fri May 16 14:21:36 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 13:51:11 2008. if you have means to declare for an upgrade account, then you can run longer. |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri May 16 14:36:54 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 13:51:11 2008. Youtube allows for 10 minutes of video but no more than 100mb's of video.False. YouTube allows for 10 minutes, and file size up to 1 GB. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:45:30 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by R36 #9346 on Fri May 16 14:36:54 2008. You sure, Because they only allow me 100mb's! |
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You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 14:49:03 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. Funny how they keep picking on you. I'd like to hear the other side of these stories. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:49:12 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:45:30 2008. Ok. Now they are saying 1024mb's. But the last video I uploaded I had to keep it under 100mb's |
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Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008, in response to You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 14:49:03 2008. Funny if he gets locked up for doing something legal, They will be a A1 class lawsuit! I doubt he is doing nothing more than tacking a pic or shooting some vid. But from his previous encounters, The cops seem to see him coming. |
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Posted by mr_brian on Fri May 16 15:01:50 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008. They probably have his picture on file or something |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 15:05:21 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008. Funny if he gets locked up for doing something legalCops wouldn't charge him with something legal. They'd have to release him right away because their lieutenant would tear them some new back doors. If they took him in, they'd have something to charge him with. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 15:08:43 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 15:05:21 2008. If they took him in, they'd have something to charge him with.With what. Hardly backtalking a cop is cause to lock him up. I'm sure Nilet is smart to keep his hands to himself! |
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Posted by JournalSquare-K-Car on Fri May 16 15:23:09 2008, in response to You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 14:49:03 2008. Nothing funny about it. It is a shame cops do this. Sad, really. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 16 15:34:21 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 15:08:43 2008. Nah..what they do is hit you with some B.S charge..Like Disturbing the Peace..Disorderly Conduct....Theift of services...Something that wouldn't have ABYTHING to do with WHAT THEY APPROACHED YOU FOR. Thats how they get you... So your best bet would be to BE POLITE..answer questions that deal DIRECTLY WITH THE TASK AT HAND..and if need be, show FACTUAL INFORMATION STATING THERE ISN'T A LAW AGAINST PHOTOGS taking pics on MTA PROPERTY,unless its a secure location. |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 15:41:37 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 16 15:34:21 2008. Point taken. But IMHO I just don't think the time on him. |
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Posted by error46146 on Fri May 16 15:47:26 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. i really feel bad for you...the cops apparently seem to love to pick on you you should really bring this into Supreme court ASAP and sue their asses off, you deserve better than this |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 16 16:42:35 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008. Other people do the same activity and have little or no problem (i.e. me). |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Fri May 16 16:44:06 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by checkthedoorlight on Thu May 15 17:07:41 2008. The difference here is "incident". You haven't been stopped multiple times, like Nilet has. Something else is going on. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri May 16 17:01:13 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008. Either he LOOKS suspicious (i.e. they're profiling him) or he's giving them ATTITUDE. Cops don't like that. |
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Posted by Hank Eisenstein on Fri May 16 17:02:30 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 14:54:49 2008. OR he's DELIBERATELY taking photos in front of the cops, to see what they do. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 16 17:04:44 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 15:05:21 2008. Cops wouldn't charge him with something legal.Well they already did something like that. They gave him a summons for violating 1050.9(c) when 1050.9(c) specifically ALLOWS what he was doing. |
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Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 17:04:46 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 15:08:43 2008. They seem to have their eyes on him. All it takes is one slip-up, even a petty one. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri May 16 17:06:07 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by R36 #9346 on Fri May 16 14:36:54 2008. There are videos on Youtube that are 30 minutes in length, so someone got permission to post them. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 16 17:06:11 2008, in response to You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 14:49:03 2008. I don't think he is provoking the cops. I've been with him while he takes photos and video and he doesn't provoke anyone. He just takes photos and video. The cops are instead targeting him for whatever reason. |
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Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 16 17:15:20 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 17:04:46 2008. I think he's been doing a pretty job so far. There's no reason to assume he'll do something to merit an arrest. |
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Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 16 17:16:25 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Edwards! on Fri May 16 15:34:21 2008. Disorderly Conduct is also specified in the Transit Rules. LOOK at them, you'd have to be a real asshole to come up to that criteria of conduct.It is not disorderly just because some cop doesn't like it. ROAR |
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Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 16 17:31:13 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Broadway Lion on Fri May 16 17:16:25 2008. True indeed...which is Why I stated it Could be one of the various charges they COULD/Would use in any given situation.To THEM,"Mouthing off" is one GOOD reason... |
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He is going to Make Some $$$$ if He Gets Locked Up |
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Posted by BMTLines on Fri May 16 17:36:33 2008, in response to You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 16 14:49:03 2008. I believe him because of what is happening to photographers all over the country. Note that the cop gave him a ticket for "videotaping without a permit" - video is clearly allowed by 1050.9(c).As for detention - some photographers have already been detained for questioning and have settled for several thousands of dollars: Detained Seattle Photographer Settles for $8K Another pending lawsuit A filmmaker who sued the NYPD and won If NYPD wants to waste more taxpayer dollars then by all means arrest him.... Photography is Not A Crime!!! |
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Posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 16 17:59:42 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. You don't go to CCRB for a summons. You go to court for a summons. CCRB won't even take it unless your complaint includes discourtesy, physical abuse (brutality), abuse of power, etc. (Also,if the complaint is for corruption such as asking for a bribe not to write a summons yo go to internal affairs, not CCRB) |
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Posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 18:58:04 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 16 17:59:42 2008. Given what has happened to Nilet in the past and that the summons will in likely be dismissed. I think the CCRB would listen. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Fri May 16 19:14:34 2008, in response to Re: You're gonna get locked up if you keep provoking the cops, posted by JBar387 on Fri May 16 15:08:43 2008. With what.Looking like a terrorist... smh. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 16 19:29:05 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri May 16 17:59:42 2008. CCRB won't even take it unless your complaint includes discourtesy, physical abuse (brutality), abuse of power, etc.Obviously that's why he's going to the CCRB...because something other than just the summons happened. He already said he's not posting the details. |
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Posted by Fred G on Fri May 16 19:37:47 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. Aw jeez, well hang in there and don't take any crap.your pal, Fred |
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Posted by Nilet on Fri May 16 20:16:15 2008, in response to Re: ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by RonInBayside on Fri May 16 17:06:07 2008. The ten minute limit was imposed fairly recently under Google's management. Longer videos that had been posted before that policy were grandfathered. |
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Posted by Train Dude on Fri May 16 21:03:19 2008, in response to ANOTHER Police Encounter., posted by Nilet on Thu May 15 15:50:29 2008. One question! When the alarm clock went off and you woke up did you simply decide that the dream would be a great story to post? |
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