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The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008

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What do you think the subway system will be like in 2058? More lines, stations, fares, rolling stock? How will these be different?

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by 156n3rd on Fri May 9 09:42:34 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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That year, I'd be 105 years of age. Hah. Of course there will be SOME expansion and the rolling stock will look SOMEWHAT different, but on the whole, how much can possibly be changed for the better? (beides the obvious stuff)

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Railman718 on Fri May 9 09:51:31 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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ATS CBTC all over..

Robotrains everywhere...

With One Supercomputer HAL 10000 Controlling everything..

"My Logic in running the Subway system is undeniable"..

Of coruse with all these vast improvements...

SAS STILL being built...

;o)

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 10:18:07 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Railman718 on Fri May 9 09:51:31 2008.

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"With One Supercomputer HAL 10000 Controlling everything..."

Open the doors, Hal...

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Fri May 9 11:23:39 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 10:18:07 2008.

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Well, we I was a boy, the recording at Union Square on the Lexington was a man who sounded like a gangster saying, "Please stand clear of the moving platform as trains enter and leave the station." Last time I was there the voice was that of a woman with the tiniest bit of a Latin American accent. In 50 years, it will be a simulation of the voice of the most recent person to enter using his ID card in the 3rd turnstile (assuming there will even be turnstiles).

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Railman718 on Fri May 9 11:30:14 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 10:18:07 2008.

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Open the doors, Hal...

The SuperComputer HAL 10000 response...

"That command does not compute the train is ahead of its scheduled arrive time to be at this station so i will leave the doors closed until the appropiate time for the customers to embark and disembark"

"My logic in Running the Subway System is undeniable"..


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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by BMTLines on Fri May 9 12:42:55 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Fri May 9 11:23:39 2008.

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(assuming there will even be turnstiles)

Won't need them - overhead scanners will identify each person from the RFID chip implant that is required by Homeland Security.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 9 13:30:52 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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20 mph maximum speeds.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 9 13:31:06 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by BMTLines on Fri May 9 12:42:55 2008.

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Aka Homeland Paranoia.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 9 13:57:26 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Railman718 on Fri May 9 11:30:14 2008.

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You have been watching to much I-Robot.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Red Line to Glenmont on Fri May 9 14:36:04 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 9 13:31:06 2008.

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The advantage of the RFID chip is that it will be easier to put voices in people's heads. The tinfoil hats will not work, but depending on where the RFID chip is inserted, people may want to wear tinfoil jockey shorts.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 9 15:09:31 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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Headlines for 2058:

Groundbreaking for the 2nd Ave. Subway

East Side Access expected to be completed by 2063

Chambers St. station to be cleaned

Redbirds found to cause cancer in fish

Nilet, III arrested for taking photos in the subway

Transit Museum's Nostalgia trip features R-160's







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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 15:13:15 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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[[[[[ NO RFW ANY WHERE ]]]]]]]]]]]]]
noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Fri May 9 15:18:27 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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I don't know about NYC, but LA will look like this==>



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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 15:50:03 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Fri May 9 15:18:27 2008.

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all right !!

lets roll easy !!

my man

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 16:15:52 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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1] The R142/143/160s would all be scrapped

2]The L line would sitll be the only line with CBTC

3]the IRT SMEE train arnies and R32-R68A would still be running strong on fan trips. Some hunderds of years after they were built

4]There would still be rats.

5]There would still be homeless people.

6]The els would be rebuit as conete structers like in the rocaways.

7]The brighton express run would have timers signals.

8]The trains that replace the R142-R160 would have SMEE braking system. After the r142-R160s fleets became lemons and were very problematic.

9]The r110s would still be in storage

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Edwards! on Fri May 9 16:29:16 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Fri May 9 13:30:52 2008.

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"New York City Leisure Transit" of the MTA.

MTA=Might Take Awhile

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Fri May 9 16:32:25 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Fri May 9 15:13:15 2008.

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...and platform doors everywhere!!

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Fri May 9 16:35:18 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 16:15:52 2008.

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you miss one.
The flushing line will have R142-R142A...



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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri May 9 16:48:11 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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Timers everywhere.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Fri May 9 17:02:33 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by RAILFAN_7_40ST on Fri May 9 16:35:18 2008.

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No he didn't.


1] The R142/143/160s would all be scrapped

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by error46146 on Fri May 9 17:21:43 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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here's my vision:

1) maximum speeds would be 20 MPH

2) every single train will look exactly the same

3) every single station will be renovated to look exactly the same

4) going downhill the trains would slow down to 10 MPH to make it even more slow

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Eric B on Fri May 9 17:39:26 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Fri May 9 15:18:27 2008.

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Still no body ever found a way to use any part of the old PE for any of this?

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by WillD on Fri May 9 18:02:31 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Fri May 9 15:18:27 2008.

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Wow, Metrolink via the Alameda Corridor?

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Alargule on Fri May 9 18:18:32 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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Subway? What subway? :-D

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by SilverFox on Fri May 9 19:54:18 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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- T/Os and C/Rs going on strike to protest a mere 50% annual raise to their $10,000.00 weekly salaries and draconian two-day work weeks.

- Fond reminiscences of $25.00 fares and $100.00/gallon gasoline.

- 900-foot platforms not long enough to accommodate 15 million daily riders. Plans afoot to create one continuous station with entrances each block and trains stopping every 750 feet.

- Railfans bemoaning the scrapping of R-375 subway cars. R-160 and lower cars considered safety hazards and not allowed to run with passengers on nostalgia trips.

- MTA broadening its jurisdiction over an area of land ranging from Washington DC to Manchester, New Hampshire to Cleveland.


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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 20:10:54 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 9 15:09:31 2008.

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Nilet, III arrested for taking photos in the subway

LMAO at that comment!!!

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 20:13:38 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 20:10:54 2008.

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The third? My grandson? 50 years from now, I'll be 70 they can still arrest me! :D

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri May 9 20:13:59 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 9 15:09:31 2008.

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Transit Museum's Nostalgia trip features R-160's

I wonder if any new tech trains will be kept for the museum. If anything, an R-142 or 142A might be kept as an example of the first equipment of its type ever to be used in the system. Even at that, can they run as a two-car set? But two cars may rule out fantrips. I can't see them wasting space for a full five cars, especially with all of the other lists being made up of equipment "worth" keeping.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 20:21:50 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri May 9 20:13:59 2008.

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the R110s were the first NTT. So maybe they will get saved for the museum. But i wonder if the MTA would save any R46s or R44s. They can just save one of the frankin ave shuttle sets for the R68s. but i douht that they would save any R142/As for the museum...

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Fri May 9 20:46:35 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 20:21:50 2008.

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The R-110s were the first new tech, but they saw fairly little use compared to the R-142/A's which also represent a design that will soon be the look of a good part of the system. An R-44 or 46 and an R-142/A should be kept for display, but for practical reasons it might not be possible to keep them operable. A Franklin Ave Shuttle set seems like an obvious choice for the R-68s, but it would be nice to have real rollsigns in place rather than those place-boards -nitpick-.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri May 9 21:07:40 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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1. The first new station of the 2nd Ave shuttle line opens at 72nd Street.

2. The MTA operating deficit is so bad, they allow licensing of bootleg DVD peedlers for an annual fee.

3. Every station is renamed to a corporate sponsor. Most Vicker's style mosaic tabledt are covered with ugly sigs like McDonalds/96th Street or Continental Airlines/Forest Hills.

4. TM has summer fantrips using the R160 cars. The rest of the museum fleet is sent up the river on a weeks barge, including 100, 381, 484, 1575 and the like.

5. The G line runs every hour.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Mr. Harlem Line on Fri May 9 21:52:03 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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tracks will be ripped from the system, to be replaced by a maglev-type system with maglev rolling stock

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 9 22:37:15 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Fri May 9 15:18:27 2008.

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Nice map! Which ones (aside from red) will be heavy rail/subway and which (aside from blue, green, gold) will be light rail?

wayne


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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by trainsarefun on Fri May 9 23:51:38 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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About the most likely thing: Fully automated operation of trains; a lot of money will be spent toward that end.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by B47man on Sat May 10 00:06:32 2008, in response to The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Mitch45 on Fri May 9 09:33:00 2008.

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Once again, groundbreaking ceremonies will be held for construction of the Second Avenue Subway...

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Bob Andersen on Sat May 10 02:35:44 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Nilet on Fri May 9 20:13:38 2008.

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I figured maybe they'd stop harassing you by then :-)

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Fred G on Sat May 10 02:45:56 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Bob Andersen on Fri May 9 15:09:31 2008.

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hahahaha, good one, Bob.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Sat May 10 02:54:24 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by WillD on Fri May 9 18:02:31 2008.

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It could happen. I miss all the good fan trips. :(

Metrolink on Alameda corridor.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by South Ferry on Sat May 10 02:56:19 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Fri May 9 21:07:40 2008.

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6. MTA takes after MNRR and LIRR systems, and converts to "pay-by-distance" fare structure.

7. Bumble Bee Tuna available in HD.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 10 03:38:33 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Fri May 9 16:32:25 2008.

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yep
!!!

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 10 04:59:09 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Easy on Sat May 10 02:54:24 2008.

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any future trips planned ?

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Sat May 10 07:33:53 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by South Ferry on Sat May 10 02:56:19 2008.

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LOL, only inside car #2500.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Railman718 on Sat May 10 08:56:46 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by North-Easten T/O on Fri May 9 13:57:26 2008.

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You have been watching to much I-Robot.

So says the Person with the Poster of the movie in his bedroom...

His livivng room...

His Kitchen...

His Bathrooms...

Has the Book, the Dvd with all the speical features..

;o)


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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Sat May 10 15:18:40 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by R33/R36 mainline on Fri May 9 20:21:50 2008.

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Maybe they'll save an A-A set of 46s. Dunno about the 44s.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by MainR3664 on Sat May 10 15:21:19 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Railman718 on Fri May 9 09:51:31 2008.

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Railman, I think you've got it right!

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Terrapin Station on Sat May 10 21:26:20 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by SilverFox on Fri May 9 19:54:18 2008.

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0.5/10

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Sat May 10 21:42:48 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by salaamallah@hotmail.com on Sat May 10 04:59:09 2008.

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If you hear of any let me know. I'd love to ride Metrolink down to the harbor.

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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Sat May 10 21:45:14 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Eric B on Fri May 9 17:39:26 2008.

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Dude you really want that to happen don't you? :)

I was looking at the subtalk archives and noticed that you've been on top of this for a while. Maybe it will happen when Eric B is President. lol.



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Re: The Subway in 50 Years?

Posted by Easy on Sat May 10 21:47:35 2008, in response to Re: The Subway in 50 Years?, posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Fri May 9 22:37:15 2008.

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Damien has a website that gives the detail. getLAmoving.com

He probably hasn't updated it in a while as he has been busy fighting transit racism in South LA lately.

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