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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:43:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 22:30:46 2008. BNo, Rusds is not correct. There are shortfals, but New York has been successful. Russ equates perfection with success, and perfection to him is a value judgment from one particular subjective point of view. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:47:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 22:15:20 2008. Let's have Russ show his proof, since Russ is the one who made the claim that no mixed housing model has ever been successful.First, he has to show what "success" means; then he has to define what "quality of life"means. My proof: Look at housing stock in the South Bronx today. Look at the Arverne by the Sea project. Look at Harlem. Look at Jamaica. Look at the rezoning happening nowalong Hillside Avenue. When Russ presents data as opposed to subjective judgment, then we can discuss. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:48:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 22:32:26 2008. And my opinion has far more successful examples in New York than Russ'. If New York were such a failure, then the City Council would not keep things as they are. I fact, a diverse City Council is convinced the model does work, and they are right. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:00:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Eat Pumpkin Pie Together, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 22:37:30 2008. OK, guess not. My bad. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:02:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:48:52 2008. Absolutely not. Your "opinion" is no better than any other person's opinion. It is a failurem, and actually the cause of many of NY's housing problems over the years is the other side of it:http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9E0CE2D91230F934A15755C0A964958260 |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:05:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:02:11 2008. That's also one opinion, and does not present any data.Vacancy decontrol sounds nice, but then you end up with no rent-stabilized housing at all. What have you accomplished? A better way to do it is to lower the income ceiling. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:05:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:43:20 2008. NO, not at all. There are just as many reports that show the failures than it's supposed success. In fact, there are more signs of failure than success:http://www.city-journal.org/html/7_1_rent_controls.html |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:07:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:47:04 2008. My proof: Look at housing stock in the South Bronx today. Look at the Arverne by the Sea project. Look at Harlem. Look at Jamaica. Look at the rezoning happening nowalong Hillside Avenue.Yes, and look at how long that took, and look at how BAD it fell to begin with. Rent control/stabilization was the CAUSE fo the fall of a lot of these areas to begin with. Let's see some of YOUR supposed proof. Rent control is one of the things that CAUSED the South Bronx to fall to begin with. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:08:02 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:05:40 2008. An 11-yar old article! That's laughable at best!Weren't you the one who wanted current data? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:10:44 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:07:54 2008. "Rent control/stabilization was the CAUSE fo the fall of a lot of these areas to begin with"No, it was the strategy of the city owning and operating large buildings filled with exclusively poor tenants who had no education, no employment and no stake in taking care of their buildings. The change to a mixed housing and subsidized home purchase policy brought these areas back. That was the policy employed there, and the results speak for themselves. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:25:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 08:08:25 2008. Because notice how the parts of the Rockaways that don't have subways running near them are well developed and are the homes to people of higher class, like Neponsit or Bayswater. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:29:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by SUBWAYMAN on Fri Jan 11 14:21:53 2008. Well, the one (two during the summer) two-car train it uses now is just pathetic. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:32:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 11:04:41 2008. The LIRR sets it up that way too, and they know this. Why can't the LIRR just get rid of its "hatred" for the line and add at least one Hunterspoint Avenue run that runs express west of Medford (the crowd at Ronkonkoma would probably be too huge for the train to handle)? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:38:05 2008, in response to Re: Charming Conductor and unpreparted passengeHow the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Howard Fein on Fri Jan 11 09:30:24 2008. "Oh, my ride got me to the station too late."Aah, but the ride to the precinct won't if she doesn't pay for that ticket! |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:40:31 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Jeff Rosen on Fri Jan 11 20:31:11 2008. Alright, cool. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:26:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:08:02 2008. You said "rent control is a success". Where's your articles? What difference does it make if it's 1 years old, 5, 11, or 20 years old. It wasn't any more or less a sucess 11 years ago than it is now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:31:05 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Raise Jersey Cows Together, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:10:44 2008. No, it was the strategy of the city owning and operating large buildings filled with exclusively poor tenants who had no education, no employment and no stake in taking care of their buildings.Yes, that is another cause. I said RC was ONE of the causes. I didn't say it was the only cause. The change to a mixed housing and subsidized home purchase policy brought these areas back. That was the policy employed there, and the results speak for themselves Yes, and what does that have to do with "rent control"? Those new home purchases are completely irrelevant to "Rent Control". |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:31:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:25:33 2008. One has nothing to do with the other in this case. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:34:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 00:32:59 2008. One train is not going to do it. While anything is better than now. One more train still makes people need to plan their lives around the train, as opposed to using it as a commuter service. People can't park their car in Medford worrying that they may miss the one, two, or even three trains that go through, and then wind up having to take a cab from Ronkonkoma to Medford the day they have to work late. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:39:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 23:05:22 2008. That's also one opinion, and does not present any data.Right, and your opinion is also opinion, and you haven't provided even one piece of data in support, only heresay. Vacancy decontrol sounds nice, but then you end up with no rent-stabilized housing at all. What have you accomplished? You have accomplished a return to market forces. A landlord doesn't want his apartment to remain empty, and if it's too high, people won't rent it. Many rent stabilized apartments are held by people that don't need a subsidy. And an owner is not a welfare provider even if they are poor, which is generally not the case. Rent control only causes an artificial market. An older person won't move from an apartment that is too big for them, as she doesn't want to loose the price, and a family of four can be squeezed into an apartment that is too small for them becuause of the unavailability of a bigger apartment coming up. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 02:45:09 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:26:56 2008. A 10 year old opinion that diudn't hold water when it was published?Show me some data and we'll talk. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 02:47:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:39:34 2008. "Many rent stabilized apartments are held by people that don't need a subsidy"Then change the theshold. "A landlord doesn't want his apartment to remain empty, and if it's too high, people won't rent it." Nice in theory, but that assumes he can't import those people from outside. He can, and does. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 02:47:43 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:31:55 2008. Why? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 02:57:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jan 11 12:50:07 2008. Must say I'm surprised to see you pulling for FRA commuter rail service over lower-fare FTA rail service Don't be surprised if you fall in love with a girl that has the face of an angel . . . and B-cups 
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:00:15 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 02:34:17 2008. I know that one through train would not be enough, but getting the MTA to put one through train from that line already seems to be too hard of a task, which probably means that we should not push the LIRR any further. The scenario of getting a train to Ronkonkoma then taking the cab to Medford because you miss the train is a way better scenario then getting a train to Ronkonkoma then taking a cab to Medford because there is no train. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 03:01:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AEM-7AC #901 on Fri Jan 11 12:50:07 2008. The housing projects did have a major impact (the Bronx was burning...had to put 'em somewhere). But I don't think the LIRR to subway switch was that big a deal, especially since the Far Rockaway Line is still there. Now, if you took that away... |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 03:02:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 15:59:59 2008. A half mile is about a 10-minute walkSome people can't walk at 3 mph. NIMBYs don't seem to be able to . . . |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:06:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 03:02:34 2008. IIRC, the new issue of Men's Health I got says something about guys avoiding walking over 1 3/4 MPH or something like that, I'll have to look for it later. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:08:25 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 02:45:09 2008. I showed multiple data. You show something to back up your heresay information. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 03:09:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 03:02:34 2008. NIMBYs specialize in one thing: Whining and bellyaching.Wait, that's two things... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 03:10:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:08:25 2008. You showed no data. Only opinions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:19:37 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 02:47:28 2008. Then change the theshold.Change what threshold. Rent control/stabilization isn't based on income, aside from that over $2000 a month clause, but most apartments aren't over $2000 a month. Apartments become decontrolled if they hit $2000 a month, automatically if they are vacanct, but I believe if a tenant occupies it at that point, it's based on an income thing, but again, many apartments this effects isn't in that price range. but that assumes he can't import those people from outside. He can, and does. Of course he "can", but that is more in luck. You can't ask ridiculous rents and expect to get them. And not every apartment is rent controlled, there are plenty that aren't. Rent control/stabilization causes an artificial low where often times owners are sometimes not taking in enough rent to cover expenses, much less make a profit. That is a big problem that caused a lot of abandonment in the past. A policy which makes a landlord in cases have a choice of either losing money on his building or worse, walking away from it is not a policy that is good. This also causes a policy where landlords won't maintain a building like they should, as there's no profit in it. If an apartments is artificially low, landlords have less incentive to upgrade their buildings, and that often leaves tenants living in squalor. And the 1/40th allowment does not go far enough often times to make it worthwhile to upgrade, and the 1/40 allowment only applies to individual specific apartment, not general upgrade, maintenance to the building. Rent control effects smaller landlords very hard. When you have let's say an 8 family house, and 2 or 3 apartments are below market rate, or worse, more, that creates an uneven balance. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:21:04 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:19:37 2008. Apartments become decontrolled if they hit $2000 a monthI meant "destabilized". Rent Control, and Rent Stabilization are two different things. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:22:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 03:10:28 2008. You didn't even show opinions. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:26:08 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Olog-hai on Sat Jan 12 02:57:04 2008. B-cups? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:29:03 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:00:15 2008. The scenario of getting a train to Ronkonkoma then taking the cab to Medford because you miss the train is a way better scenario then getting a train to Ronkonkoma then taking a cab to Medford because there is no train.No, because those people are driving to Ronkonkoma. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:37:51 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:29:03 2008. But those who didn't miss it (which would still probably be a high number), are probably not. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Sat Jan 12 04:37:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 22:11:22 2008. >>people are allergic to changing trains for some reason, even if it would get them where they were going faster.<<A couple of years back NJT ran train 2382 on weekend mornings from Bay Head to Hoboken. And a 2383 back in the late afternoon. Each way, it was a beautiful peaceful train, only 2 cars needed, probably could get away with only one. I got on 2382 in Matawan at 8:11 am, it made Woodbridge, Newark Penn, and Hoboken. 2383 did the same in reverse, leaving Hoboken at 4:40 pm. Meanwhile, the Long Branch to New York Penn and back around the same times were zoos: 5 cars in the A.M. and between 6 and 8 cars on the return. And this was during the non-summer periods! The point I am trying to make is that I would rather travel between Matawan & New York City with a connection at Hoboken to/from PATH and ride a beautiful peaceful train than take a one seat "hell" ride. Just my opinion, of course! :-) |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 06:34:13 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:06:40 2008. IIRC, the new issue of Men's Health I got says something about guys avoiding walking over 1 3/4 MPH or something like that, I'll have to look for it later.I think most people walk faster than that. When I walk to work I'm walking at not quite 4 mph, and even though I pass most people I'm not passing many of them by that much. I'd say 2.5 to 3 mph is pretty typical as a walking speed. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 06:42:25 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 03:08:25 2008. You show something to back up your heresay information.You can call Ron many things, but I really don't think you can call him a heretic. |
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Posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 07:13:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Peter Rosa on Fri Jan 11 09:58:52 2008. "Medford and Yaphank would both see much better use if those stations had some sort of usable service. It so underseved that it's beyond me."I'm not so sure about that. As noted, many riders have tremendous resistance to changing trains. Look at the way people who live much closer to Montauk or Port Jefferson line stations (which do have adequate service) will drive long distances to Ronkonkoma, just so they won't have to drag their suit-covered anii ten feet across the platforms at Jamaica/Babylon/Huntington. The fact that they will have to walk sometimes many hundreds of feet from the parking areas at Ronkonkoma, well somehow that's okay. I just checked mta.info for Yaphank to Penn. There's one train, the 6:34 arriving 8:20, with 2 changes: Ronkonkoma AND Jamaica. Yaphank to Hunterspoint is even slower, arriving at 8:36. I bet if they did even a single Riverhead to Hunterspoint train, it would be packed. They could do a little better than that. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 09:20:00 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 03:37:51 2008. You miss the point. People will avoid Medford just for the fact that they have to worry about the return train, so they will drive to Ronkonkoma where at rush hour a train comes every 20 minutes, or ever hour before or later. Even if Medford had hourly service (which would be a lot more trains than now) people would consider it. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 09:26:24 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Each other, posted by AlM on Sat Jan 12 06:42:25 2008. LOL, I hope you are joking! Not heresy, heresay."Hearsay in English law and Hearsay in United States law, a legal principle concerning the admission of evidence through repetition of out-of-court statements" |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 12 09:41:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:43:20 2008. There are numerous studies which have demonstrated the overall negative impacts of rent regulations on low income housing in just about every city which has/had them on the books. Few people outside tenants groups still argue the merits of rent control. NYC is one of the few remaining large cities to not have abandoned the concept, or at the very least begun a process to phase it out. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Sat Jan 12 12:40:09 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Sat Jan 12 09:20:00 2008. I see what you mean now, I think that at least some people would make the switch. I hope that it's not like the through train will be the last train though; There should be three trains for the whole Greenport service on weekdays IMO, one set could do the Ronkonkoma-Greenport runs, another the Ronkonkoma-Riverhead/Yaphank runs, and lastly, the City Terminal Zone-Greenport rush hour only set, I imagine the City Terminal Zone set being stored at Greenport, and the Riverhead set being stored at Riverhead over the night with the Ronkonkoma-Greenport set staying at Ronkonkoma. The current last train leaving the city at 5PM is ridiculous. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 12 19:25:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 22:30:46 2008. It has been a failure. The city had a housing shortage after WWII which has never been rectified. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 12 19:39:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Fri Jan 11 23:05:40 2008. Here's a more recent article from City Journal: http://www.city-journal.org/html/16_3_nyc_housing_crisis.html |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Sat Jan 12 19:57:18 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 12 19:39:21 2008. Another opinion article with no data.The only anti-rent control (and by the way, my defense was not of rent control in toto, only of the mixed housing model, which is not the same thing) and anti-mixed model citations anybody has brought into this thread have been simply partisan opinions with no analysis. That's worthless. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 12 20:19:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:21:47 2008. New York has demonstrated that the opposite is true. In fact, the buildings benefit people across a range of economic strata, and neighborhoods have been revived this way.It benefits a "lucky" minority in much the same way the state lottery benefits some of its participants. There is not nearly enough subsidized housing for those who are eligible, and if there were, then nearly the entire housing market in the city would have to be in the form of publicly subsidized housing. If the range of income is set so too many upper middle class people benefit, the answer is to adjust thresholds. Yes, some areas of the city will not support the working class as well as others. That's true everywhere. That can be tweaked. Of New York's eight million people, 5.7 million are members of 1.7 million families earning less than $50,240. Would you lower the threshold below that? or would you build 1.7 million subsidized homes? New York's success speaks for itself. That's not how you spell failure. |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Sat Jan 12 20:25:15 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Drink Tea and play poker, posted by RonInBayside on Fri Jan 11 22:47:04 2008. You're examples are subjective. You are pointing to a handful of successes in a sea of failures. You mention Arverne by the Sea. How about looking at the rest of the Rockaways? How about looking at how long the land for Arverne by the Sea was empty before it finally got built on? The city's failed rent control policies were responsible for the South Bronx's gutting in the 70s, it is in spite of them that the South Bronx has made a slight comeback. |
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