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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 14:18:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 10:43:56 2008. All stations 'east' of Valley Stream including Valley Stream itself are in zone 4. So Far Rockaway is the only LIRR station in Queens that's in zone 4 (excepting possibly Belmont Park, which might be in Nassau, anyway, and which isn't a regularly scheduled terminal/stop). |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:20:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:08:10 2008. From the ESA FEIS --For the entire 4 hour AM peak period: at Far Rockaway station in 1995 -- 58 boarding passengers, down from 113 in 1990. 22 arriving passengers (up from 13) during that time. at Inwood Station in 1995 -- 232 boarding passengers, up from 225 in 1990. 9 arriving passengers in both periods. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:24:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:57:54 2008. So everyone should arrive 5 minutes early for a train that the LIRR will declare on time even if it shows up 10 minutes later than they arrived?That's the most ludicrous argument I have heard yet. You can't plan your day thinking the train will be late. If the train is scheduled to be there at 9:03, then it's up to you to get there on that platform when the train arrives at 9:03. Sure, sometimes the train may be late, and if you notice it always comes at 9:06, then that's your risk if you cut it that close. That's a gamble you take. And if you lose the gamble, it's not the LIRR's fault, and you shouldn't ge whining about it. Kinda sorta seems like a double standard -- We get to be 5 minutes late, you have to be 5 minutes early. When did Tom Coughlin take over the LIRR? Not at all. You know the time is supposed to be there. If you are not on the platform, at the time the train pulls in, then that's your fault no one elses. And no one is telling anyone to "be there 5 minutes early", but that's a risk you take if you decide not to be there that early. When you lose the bet, you shouldn't be whining that it's the "Lirr's fault". You took the gamble of not allowing enough time, so you pay the consequenses. Sure sometime the train will be late, and if it's always late, then make adjustments IF YOU CHOSE, but then again, don't compain when you miss the train when it comes on time. Everyone never takes responsibility for their own actions. It's never "their fault". These are the same people that if they do change the scheduling if possible, would then arrive even later than they do now, cutting it even closer and then miss the train, and then complain it's "still the LIRR's fault". |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 14:28:30 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:24:56 2008. Everyone never takes responsibility for their own actionsI agree with what you mean, but not with the way it was worded! :-) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:39:43 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:56:02 2008. What's the point of living 5 minutes from the station then?It's better than living 10 minutes from it. If people need those 5 minutes that badly they should just live INSIDE the station itself. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:41:27 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:57:54 2008. So everyone should arrive 5 minutes early for a train that the LIRR will declare on time even if it shows up 10 minutes later than they arrived?Those are two seperate subjects. To answer your question without addressing the on-time issue, yes. YOU get your butt on the platform before the train comes. Bring a newspaper to keep yourself entertained for 300 seconds if you must. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:43:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:57:54 2008. Kinda sorta seems like a double standard -- We get to be 5 minutes late, you have to be 5 minutes early. When did Tom Coughlin take over the LIRR?Coughlin's rules were arbitrary. Railroad schedules are complicated and very necessary for the efficient movement of trains, especially on a system like the LIRR which must squeeze many, many trains into a limited space from many, many branches. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:45:36 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:00:21 2008. Starbucks coffee is only about 10 cents more than the 7-11 for a regular cup of coffee, but that's another topic... :)Charbucks coffee sucks. DD's rules! /obligatory off topic food comment |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:47:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:37:51 2008. My favorite was a ways back when I was at Broad Street and a woman cam running down the stairs as the doors closed. She asked him to re-open, but he had already turned the key (which prevents him from doing so again, AFAIK). His response: "This is not a taxicab, ma'am". |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:49:26 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:17:42 2008. Especially since they try as hard as they can to have a train headed for Far Rockaway arrive in Jamaica at almost the same time a train to Penn Station does to minimize waiting time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:49:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:17:42 2008. Especially since they try as hard as they can to have a train headed for Flatbush Ave arrive in Jamaica at almost the same time a train to Penn Station does to minimize waiting time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:50:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:55:45 2008. It's a madhouse. In BOTH directions. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:52:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2008. A lot of effort expended for a minimal problem, a problem minimized further by people arriving before 9:01 for the 9:03. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:53:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:08:10 2008. That's true, but that doesn't mean that the ridership is minimal, it's just less than the other lines. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:54:01 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 14:04:38 2008. I see the process regularly. Dwell times for connecting trains are high. Getting trains to specific tracks to facilitate an across-the-platform transfer, especially in the PM peak, also eats up time. One train not arriving on time west of Jamaica can have a very quick ripple effect.Of course it causes a ripple. And that's why I said any change in scheduling creates huge ripple effects. If a train is late, that becomes a tidal wave. You can't just say "oh just change the train a few minutes", as that one train shifts can cause the necessity of train shifts all around the system, and those shifts cause new problems. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:54:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:52:11 2008. Exactly. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:54:53 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 14:18:45 2008. If it were not in zone 4, a helluva lot more Far Rock residents would choose it over the A train. We all know how the LIRR thinks of it's Queens ridership. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:55:50 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2008. A lot of shuffling for a simple problem of people that can't take responsibility for themselves by allowing 3 or 4 extra minutes for themselves to catch the train at Cedarhurst. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:56:09 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:20:46 2008. 1995 was 13 years ago. It's considerably higher now. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:57:30 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:41:27 2008. This is what I can't understand people fail to see. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:16:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:51:20 2008. The majority of those trains are filled with people from those branches that want to go to Manhattan, not "East New York". Those trains are all geared to the east of Jamaica people where the majority of the riders are. They are not geared to the few people that use East New York, Nostrand, etc. And the chances are quite slim that the one train they would route to Brooklyn out of all the ones that go to Penn may just have a couple people traveling to Babylon from Nostrand Ave. it's geared to the majority of users. The rare few traveling directly have a simple transfer at jamaica across the platform.Yes, and the majority gets their train to Manhattan still under my plan, also, how do you know if the Flatbush trains will be underutilized? No, the railroad sets it up for the MAJORITY of people that USE THE TRAINS, which is east of jamaica. And the vast majority of those people want Penn Station. Yes, and they still get their Penn Station service, no argument there. Yes, but the majority of the people that use those trains are the people on the eastern part of the train, and they are all going to penn Station, not Flatbush. They're not all going to Penn Station, if they were, then how come I hear so many "Change at Jamaica"'s? And the lines that have the most usage (Ronkonkoma, Babylon, and Huntington), want Penn Station. It's geared now to have the least amount of people transfering at Jamaica. Your plan would make more people have to transfer at Jamaica. Yes, and those lines will still get their Penn Station, I oppose taking away any Penn Station service from those lines, just added Flatbush service, the only line out of the three that would get a Penn Station service reduction honestly would be the Babylon as for trains running every 20 minutes with the added service, Penn Station service would have to run every 40 minutes during some periods, not that bad though IMO. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 15:21:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:54:01 2008. Arguably, though, service to Brooklyn and New York is frequent enough during the AM peak period that there shouldn't be a hold for connections.LIRR 2827 out of Far Rockaway is headed for FBA; it pulls into Jamaica at 9:25am, and is scheduled to depart for Brooklyn 5 minutes later. It makes the connection with LIRR 53 out of Babylon; it pulls into Jamaica at 9:28am, and is scheduled to depart simultaneously with no. 2187 at 9:30am for NYP. The two departures from Jamaica to NYP following no. 53 occur at 9:33 and 9:36. The next departure for Brooklyn from Jamaica occurs at 9:36. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:27:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2008. Springfield Gardens? |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 15:32:53 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:27:59 2008. Springfield Gardens is an abandoned station on the Montauk Line in Queens, located between St. Albans and Rosedale (where the Montauk tracks bypass the latter station). |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:48:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 15:32:53 2008. Yeah, I knew that, but I was wondering why he said that for, maybe it was a mistake. |
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Posted by kyk7 on Thu Jan 10 16:07:08 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. Does anyone know how much money it would cost to build an underpass like the one that exists at Douglaston station? They should build those kinds of things at a lot of the grade crossing stations like Cedarhurst and Little Neck. |
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Posted by Peter Rosa on Thu Jan 10 16:10:49 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by kyk7 on Thu Jan 10 16:07:08 2008. Does anyone know how much money it would cost to build an underpass like the one that exists at Douglaston station?About 5X the cost and 10X the time that it would take to build an equivalent passageway in a private-sector development such as a shopping mall's parking area. My LIRR/NYCT blog |
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Posted by Russ on Thu Jan 10 16:16:35 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 12:03:48 2008. If Inwood had become part of NYC as originally intended...When was this originally intended? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 16:22:38 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:20:46 2008. I boarded the train at Far Rockaway heading back to Flatbush twice (Just for foamer needs), the first time on a Sunday afternoon, I was the only one that got on, the second time on a Sunday evening, only one other family boarded.I'm surprised that Inwood doesn't get that much ridership seeing its location and how convenient it is to Atlantic Beach. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 16:50:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:16:58 2008. They're not all going to Penn Station, if they were, then how come I hear so many "Change at Jamaica"'s?There are MANY reasons to change at Jamaica from "Penn Station Trains". Some people may need Woodside, but are onn a Babylon express, so need to change. Some want brooklyn, some want Forest Hills. At rush hours, some want Hunterspoint. Most people want Penn. Some people want other things, and for that they change at Jamaica. Yes, and those lines will still get their Penn Station, I oppose taking away any Penn Station service from those lines, just added Flatbush service, the only line out of the three that would get a Penn Station service reduction honestly would be the Babylon as for trains running every 20 minutes with the added service, Penn Station service would have to run every 40 minutes during some periods, not that bad though IMO. You are inconveniencing 3/4 of a trainload of people because a very very small fraction of the train want something else. Sure that is true for other branches too, but on the other branches, it's not as many people. The Babylon, Huntington, and Ronkonkoma lines are the busiest lines, that's why they get the priority. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 16:56:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:45:36 2008. DD is good. Starbucket is better. In fact, DD is behind 7-11 too.... But those are the top 3. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:01:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:54:53 2008. I don't know how else they would do it but have it in zone 4. Yes, it's "closer" physically to Penn, but it's not closer operationally. Those people would be on the longest. I don't think you could make it Zone 3 like Jamaica, as it makes no sense at all for someone who gets on in Jamaica to pay the same price as someone that rode the entire Far Rockaway line. It's just the way the line is set up, but in this case, they HAVE to do it that way. It makes no sense to charge people less fare that use the train for a longer time. There is no logical way that Far Rockaway should be cheaper than someone at let's say Gibson or valley Stream. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 10 17:06:03 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 16:50:22 2008. Also, Flatbush Ave. can't have 12 car trains. The longest tracks can only take 10, the shortest ones 6. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 17:09:36 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Russ on Thu Jan 10 16:16:35 2008. At least if Nassau had become part of Queens.... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:14:19 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by R36 #9346 on Wed Jan 9 16:20:54 2008. The St. Albans way is longer than the Laurelton way. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:21:14 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:54:53 2008. I think it's just the LIRR not wanting the "ne'er do wells" of Far Rockaway on their trains. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 10 17:31:15 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:20:46 2008. VERY OLD DATA...Lets have something recent. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 17:33:48 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:21:14 2008. Likely not. There's a good explanation why Far Rockaway is in zone 4, which has to do with its location at the end of the line, and not perceived demographics. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:37:11 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 16:50:22 2008. You are inconveniencing 3/4 of a trainload of people because a very very small fraction of the train want something else. Sure that is true for other branches too, but on the other branches, it's not as many people. The Babylon, Huntington, and Ronkonkoma lines are the busiest lines, that's why they get the priority.It's not really that much of an inconvenience IMO seeing the amount of Penn Station-Jamaica trains on the weekends. Sure, the fraction may be small when compared to the other riders, but that doesn't mean that the Flatbush Avenue trains wouldn't be lightly used particularly, just not as well used as the Penn Station trains, right? Yes, they are the busier lines, which is why Flatbush Avenue deserves them as that's where people want to go from there, and that's why they (Ronkonkoma, Huntington, and Babylon branches) deserve Flatbush Avenue service for increased travel flexibility and additional service east of Jamaica. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:42:28 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 17:33:48 2008. Although the demographics reason is not the main reason, it's at least one of the smaller reason, it's just that the main reason is such a good reason that it's not really questioned. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:43:57 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 17:09:36 2008. Nassau was ALWYAYS part of Queens. It's nassau that broke off from Queens when those townships opted not to become part of NYC like the western towns of Queens did. All of Nassau used to be Queens county. |
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Posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 10 17:47:47 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 16:22:38 2008. Why? The bus that goes to Atlantic Beach doesn't stop there. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:47:53 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 17:42:28 2008. ABSOLUTELY not. The reason Far Rockaway is in Zone 4 and not Zone 3 is because it would make absolutely NO sense to have Jamaica and Far Rockaway in the same zone, afrter traveling all the way through another zone! Physically it's closer, but operationally it most cerainly is not. Why should people that get on at Far Rockaway, are on the train longer than people getting on in "Gibson" be paying less? That's ridiculous. It's unfortuante that Far Rockaway people have to go all the way east just to go west, but that's just the way the line is set up. It's would be utterly ludicrous to have people that use the train longer and travel a farther operational distance have a cheaper ride than those that get on at Valley Stream, or sillier still, Jamaica. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 17:47:56 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:43:57 2008. Queens should annex Great Neck and other selected places. We can leave Valley Stream alone... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:49:53 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 16:22:38 2008. Granted Sunday afternoon is not exactly big commuter railroad time, especially on some lines. You can't judge a Sunday evening trip and compare it to Monday at 8:00 AM. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:50:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Edwards! on Thu Jan 10 17:31:15 2008. Yes, it's almost not even worth paying attention to. I am sure it hasn't changed exponentially, but looking at 1995 data (that may have been taken in 1994) is fruitless too. |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 18:02:08 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 17:49:53 2008. I wasn't really comparing it to anything, just posting an observation. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:08:44 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:52:11 2008. The move I described makes sense whether or not there is a conflict at Cedarhurst or any other station. The train in question has a 5 minute dwell time at Jamaica. Running it up the line from Far Rock 3 minutes later than the currently do, and routing it around the Long Beach train at Valley Stream would save everyone on the train 3 minutes per day. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:10:18 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 14:52:11 2008. A lot of effort expended for a minimal problem, a problem minimized further by people arriving before 9:01 for the 9:03.So what do you see as the threshold for the LIRR expending effort to solve scheduling problems that require passengers to arrive earlier than the scheduled departure? If passengers had to arrive before 8:58 to catch the 9:03, would that be enough to imply that the LIRR ought to take some kind of action? |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 18:12:27 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 15:27:59 2008. Sorry -- meant Locust Manor.If there's a train stopping at Springfield Gardens, I'm riding it. |
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