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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 10 11:09:46 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:07:26 2008. Regardless, there is no excuse for not paying the fare. The mother and father both should have been issued summonses. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:12:23 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 11:09:34 2008. No, but I have no sympathy for those who don't. I took the same subway train every morning for 4 years when I worked at Morgan Stanley, and I was always at the station 4-5 minutes before it arrived. |
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Posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 10 11:13:52 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jan 9 16:27:45 2008. I don't know about the overpass itself but the anchors are made out of large blocks of wood and look quite old. They kind of look like the wooden supports that used to hold up the Rockaway Beach line overpass over the Montauk line in Queens, the one that collapsed years ago. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:19:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Thu Jan 10 11:09:46 2008. I guess the short trip and the fact they had 4 cute kids led the cop to go easy on them. However, Dad was lectured repeatedly the entire way about being responsible for paying your fare properly. The father also offered to buy the appropriate tickets at Middletown, but the conductor did not want to hold the train up. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 11:24:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:07:26 2008. Even so, if they had written a letter to complain, NJT would have sent them courtesy tickets, which are good anywhere on the system. Not sure if they are good on MTA territory, though. If the same exact scenario occured with a family riding between Linden and Elizabeth, they could use the courtesy tickets to go all the way to New York Penn. What a racket! :-( |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 11:28:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:19:17 2008. One time, I boarded a Metro-North train on the Harlem line headed for Grand Central. I don't remember whether there was no ticket machine or I didn't have time to buy a ticket. It was a late night train.At any rate, this very lovely 40-something conductor comes by and asks me for a ticket. I was thinking about something else and remembered "Oh, yeah, I didn't buy one yet." So Ireached in my pockets and pullled out bills, coins etc., counted it up and realized I didn't have enough. Instead of giving a lecture, the conductress turned her charm setting to "high" and while talking to me sold me a Senior citizen ticket (I did have enough money for that). If she had twirled her charm dial to "maximum" the MTA police would have had to give me a summons for melting into a puddle all over the car floor and causing the floor to be slippery for other passengers. She did a good job of salvaging a paid ticket out of this, winning my trust, shaming me for not coming prepared with a ticket or enough money for the train, and putting her smiling face in my head, where it still is to this day.... |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 11:33:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:12:23 2008. Corrected title... |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 11:34:33 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 09:33:38 2008. IIRC, the Babylon and Long Beach lines should have enough capacity for maybe an additional train to Flatbush Avenue every hour while leaving Penn Station riders alone, not sure about the Ronkonkoma. I am just saying that I think that if any branch should go to Flatbush Avenue on the weekends, it should be one that a lot of Flatbush Avenue riders want to go to (at least according to my observation, if the official statistics which I have not found prove me wrong then there is no argument). A lot of the ridership from there on the weekends comes from people visiting people on the island. The Far Rockaway branch barely serves the island at that (there are a lot of people who go to Valley Stream from Flatbush Avenue, though that stop could also served by the new Long Beach service), and it's $4 cheaper to take the (A) to the N31/32, which is what most of the riders from there do. With my plan, Far Rockaway riders get the one seat Penn Station ride they wanted forever, and Flatbush riders get direct service to destinations they also want to go to in addition to extra service on the branches the new Flatbush Avenue services will serve. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 11:38:05 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 13:24:47 2008. The world should not have to revolve around irresponsible people.Face it. The same people who are stuck behind the gate at 9:02 would be pulling up at 9:03 if there were no gates. There are many people who are habitual procrastinators, and I'm sure they outnumber the "once in a blue moon" people who were late due to diarreah or something. |
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Posted by Fytton on Thu Jan 10 11:39:23 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 10 11:03:43 2008. 'It should be a general rule that EVERYONE shows up at their commuter rail station 5 minutes prior to the scheduled leaving time for the train they want.'Pretty good rule. I usually manage it. And my station has a footbridge! |
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Posted by Spider-Pig on Thu Jan 10 12:03:48 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 10:51:25 2008. If Inwood had become part of NYC as originally intended, then the A could run from Inwood to Inwood! |
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Posted by AlM on Thu Jan 10 12:57:00 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. Unlike other responders to your post, I don't believe that commuters should always arrive 5 minutes ahead of time - that's their own decision. Some people prefer to cut it close and occasionally miss a train.But I don't see how this situation is any different from a really crowded intersection that sometimes you breeze through and sometimes takes 5 minutes to get through. If you have bad luck such an intersection will also cause you to miss a train if you're cutting it close. If you don't want to have bad luck on occasion, you have to give yourself extra time. It's your call in either case. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:03:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jan 9 11:45:46 2008. As a conductor for Metro-North who deals with this kind of issue all the time....THANK YOU FOR THIS ANSWER!!! :-) This is what I stress to people every day who moan and groan about their ability to "just barely make the train!!". Try leaving earlier, wake up earlier, and spend less time at the newsstand or Starbucks!! I like to say this... "If the train is your priority, then it should be a priority enough for you to get to the station on time!!" Schedules are posted, schedules are available at ALL stations, get a copy, and budget your time!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:14:16 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:03:58 2008. Exactly, and if that means getting to Cedarhurst 5 minutes earlier than you do now, so be it! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:17:42 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 10:49:20 2008. Yup a simple change like that can mean MAJOR changes throughout the system. It's not as easy as saying, "Oh just make the train scheduled a few minutes earlier or later. And not only at Jay, Hall, Valley, or Dunton, but also at Jamaica station itself where there are transfers for this Brooklyn train. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:17:43 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AlM on Wed Jan 9 12:55:03 2008. Same thing with Coast Line trains on NJT. Between places like Matawan and Middletown, westbound trains are traveling in an eastward direction, and vice versa. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 13:18:40 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 10 12:57:00 2008. If a bus is scheduled once an hour and you arrive at the opposite side of the street from the bus shelter with only 30 seconds to spare, you will miss the bus because the light turns against you. Oh well. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:19:08 2008, in response to How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Wed Jan 9 11:24:50 2008. This is something I have confronted from customers who always whine and complain about barely making their train, or missing it, even go so far as to make a bogus complaint against the train crew to the railroad saying the train was early when it wasn't, they just always manage to always run late.Here are some tips....and this is not from the MTA, but from an experienced conductor and one time SMART commuter..... 1). Always get a copy of your line/branch schedule. This is the best tool a commuter can use to allow them to budget their time wisely, and better plan their travels, including planning for delays of any sort, up to and including the delay and issue you mention. 2). Try waking up earlier and leaving your home earlier. Again....anticipate and plan for any possible delays in transit to the station, issues in finding adequate parking, latenesses of taxi services, etc. Spend less time on the computer doing business, or less time watching Good Morning America or CNN, and get yourself going. 3). When you are on your way, spend less time at the newsstand or Starbucks, focus more time and priority on getting to the station in good time without any need to rush. This will also save you significant stress so early in the day. While yes, this is a definite safety concern and yes a cause for delay, but as several people have mentioned, simply planning for this by leaving earlier to avoid such an issue would be the best solution. Many may not wanna hear this, but it's true and will work. There is no "conspiracy".....if you have had any idea how dumb people can be when catching trains, yes up to and including almost being struck by trains by running around down gates in front of a train (on the Harlem Line at Brewster station, this is a HUGE problem complained about often by the crews, especially engineers, also at stations on the New Canaan Branch) just to make a train, yes I am happy the MTA PD and any local PD have stepped up their efforts to combat this. Better a summonse than a funeral!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:20:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Wado MP73 on Thu Jan 10 10:58:40 2008. Yes, that's part of the problem. This happens at any station with a machine. It just takes much longer for them to not only figure out how to use the machine but to see it. That's not unique to Deer Park or ROnkonkoma, that's a problem at any station, but just exasperated more at busier stations. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:26:44 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jan 10 11:01:24 2008. That's why I have no sympathy for this Cedarhurst thing. ESPECIALLY for regulars. If YOU didn't allow enough time to get to the station, and on the platform, then it's YOUR fault, not the LIRR's fault. |
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Posted by SUBWAYSURF on Thu Jan 10 13:27:57 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:26:44 2008. IAWTP, it's a real "playing the victim" mentality. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:33:12 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:26:44 2008. AMEN!! People dawdle and make themselves late, or just run late basically everyday due to everything from wasting time getting an overpriced cup of coffee at Starbucks to leaving home at the last second, etc., we the train crews get all the blame!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:35:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 10:49:38 2008. Given the very long dwell time this particular train is already scheduled for at Jamaica, they might consider just originating it a few minutes later than it presently does.Not that simple. There are schedules meets at Jamaica to consider, interlocking conflicts at three interlockings, Dunton, Hall, Jay, and Valley, not to mention slots in Penn Station for the trains they are meeting at Jamaica. You can't just say let's "move it a few minutes", as it effects all those things, or simply effects another station down the line, or even many other stations on other lines that have then have their schedules shifted around the interlocking conflict change, and the Jamaica meets, and Penn Station slots. |
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Posted by Fred G on Thu Jan 10 13:36:09 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:33:12 2008. That's why you make the big bucks, chum :Dyour pal, Fred |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:37:29 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 10:59:35 2008. I always thought everyone left at least 5 minutes. I often even leave more than that, but 5 seems doable. I can't believe people show up at 9:02 for a 9:03 train, that's their complete own fault then. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:37:51 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:33:12 2008. That's why whenever somebody says that they didn't have enough time to buy the ticket before boarding, I tell them that whoever made them late should reinburse them the on-board penalty. That usually shuts them up, since it is usually their own fault. :-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:40:32 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 11:12:23 2008. Of course. I did it even on the subway when I used it everyday. I kinda learned when the train would usually arrive, and arrived accordingly. Occasionally I missed it, but I knew another one would be there 10 minutes later. (although that 10 minutes means a lot). I wouldn't have been so liberal about it if the next train was not for another half hour, or on some lines an hour! If that was the case, I would sure to get my ass over there and leave at least 10 minutes time extra. And yes, as was mentioned elsewhere, "shit happens", there are days you may not make it, it happens to everyone, but that should be the anormality, not the norm where you are rushing across closed gates everyday. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:41:58 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Fred G on Thu Jan 10 13:36:09 2008. Doesn't come easy!! lol :-D |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 13:42:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:14:16 2008. I'm wholly agreed with that; it's always been my approach. ( In the case of this particular westbound AM peak train, what I personally find wrong about the scheduling is that there is five whole minutes of dwell time - which in practice could mean even more - at Jamaica. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:42:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:37:51 2008. Never thought of that one!!! Hope you didn't patent it....I think I am gonna use that one!! :-D lol |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:43:07 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Mitch45 on Thu Jan 10 11:13:52 2008. The Rockaway overpass over the Montauk Branch burned. I don't know when it burned, but it didn't merely collapse. It was already gone around 1991, so I don't know when that happened. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 13:44:59 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:17:42 2008. One of the overall timetable problems with LIRR is, however, that too much time is spent on and for connections at Jamaica during peak periods. |
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Posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:45:55 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:42:55 2008. Be my guest! :-) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:51:03 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 11:34:33 2008. IIRC, the Babylon and Long Beach lines should have enough capacity for maybe an additional train to Flatbush Avenue every hour while leaving Penn Station riders alone, not sure about the Ronkonkoma. The majority of those trains are filled with people from those branches that want to go to Manhattan, not "East New York". Those trains are all geared to the east of Jamaica people where the majority of the riders are. They are not geared to the few people that use East New York, Nostrand, etc. And the chances are quite slim that the one train they would route to Brooklyn out of all the ones that go to Penn may just have a couple people traveling to Babylon from Nostrand Ave. it's geared to the majority of users. The rare few traveling directly have a simple transfer at jamaica across the platform.I am just saying that I think that if any branch should go to Flatbush Avenue on the weekends, it should be one that a lot of Flatbush Avenue riders want to go to No, the railroad sets it up for the MAJORITY of people that USE THE TRAINS, which is east of jamaica. And the vast majority of those people want Penn Station. A lot of the ridership from there on the weekends comes from people visiting people on the island Yes, but the majority of the people that use those trains are the people on the eastern part of the train, and they are all going to penn Station, not Flatbush. With my plan, Far Rockaway riders get the one seat Penn Station ride they wanted forever, and Flatbush riders get direct service to destinations they also want to go to in addition to extra service on the branches the new Flatbush Avenue services will serve. And the lines that have the most usage (Ronkonkoma, Babylon, and Huntington), want Penn Station. It's geared now to have the least amount of people transfering at Jamaica. Your plan would make more people have to transfer at Jamaica. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:51:20 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Osmosis Jones on Thu Jan 10 11:34:33 2008. IIRC, the Babylon and Long Beach lines should have enough capacity for maybe an additional train to Flatbush Avenue every hour while leaving Penn Station riders alone, not sure about the Ronkonkoma.The majority of those trains are filled with people from those branches that want to go to Manhattan, not "East New York". Those trains are all geared to the east of Jamaica people where the majority of the riders are. They are not geared to the few people that use East New York, Nostrand, etc. And the chances are quite slim that the one train they would route to Brooklyn out of all the ones that go to Penn may just have a couple people traveling to Babylon from Nostrand Ave. it's geared to the majority of users. The rare few traveling directly have a simple transfer at jamaica across the platform. I am just saying that I think that if any branch should go to Flatbush Avenue on the weekends, it should be one that a lot of Flatbush Avenue riders want to go to No, the railroad sets it up for the MAJORITY of people that USE THE TRAINS, which is east of jamaica. And the vast majority of those people want Penn Station. A lot of the ridership from there on the weekends comes from people visiting people on the island Yes, but the majority of the people that use those trains are the people on the eastern part of the train, and they are all going to penn Station, not Flatbush. With my plan, Far Rockaway riders get the one seat Penn Station ride they wanted forever, and Flatbush riders get direct service to destinations they also want to go to in addition to extra service on the branches the new Flatbush Avenue services will serve. And the lines that have the most usage (Ronkonkoma, Babylon, and Huntington), want Penn Station. It's geared now to have the least amount of people transfering at Jamaica. Your plan would make more people have to transfer at Jamaica. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:52:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by AlM on Thu Jan 10 12:57:00 2008. Unlike other responders to your post, I don't believe that commuters should always arrive 5 minutes ahead of time - that's their own decision. Some people prefer to cut it close and occasionally miss a train.Fine, but then they shouldn't be whining when they do miss the train. But I don't see how this situation is any different from a really crowded intersection that sometimes you breeze through and sometimes takes 5 minutes to get through. If you have bad luck such an intersection will also cause you to miss a train if you're cutting it close. If you don't want to have bad luck on occasion, you have to give yourself extra time. It's your call in either case. Exactly! |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 13:55:15 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:35:59 2008. That's why I said that "they might consider" the proposal, not that it should enacted without fail. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:55:45 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 13:44:59 2008. Have you any idea what must go on at Jamaica at peak hours? |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:56:02 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:37:29 2008. Why? If you have a five minute walk to the station, why would you budget 10 minutes?What's the point of living 5 minutes from the station then? |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:57:54 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 10:59:35 2008. So everyone should arrive 5 minutes early for a train that the LIRR will declare on time even if it shows up 10 minutes later than they arrived?Kinda sorta seems like a double standard -- We get to be 5 minutes late, you have to be 5 minutes early. When did Tom Coughlin take over the LIRR? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:00:21 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:33:12 2008. wasting time getting an overpriced cup of coffee at Starbucks to leaving home at the last secondStarbucks coffee is only about 10 cents more than the 7-11 for a regular cup of coffee, but that's another topic... :) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:01:41 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:37:51 2008. I tell them that whoever made them late should reinburse them the on-board penalty.I love it!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:01:53 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by 5301 Fishbowl on Thu Jan 10 13:37:51 2008. I tell them that whoever made them late should reinburse them the on-board penalty.I love it!! |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:03:39 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 13:42:21 2008. Don't forget that that WESTBOUND also has it's own connections at Jamaica, conflicts through Dunton, Hall, Jay, and Valley, and the Penn Station slots from it's Jamaica connections. |
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Posted by trainsarefun on Thu Jan 10 14:04:38 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:55:45 2008. I see the process regularly. Dwell times for connecting trains are high. Getting trains to specific tracks to facilitate an across-the-platform transfer, especially in the PM peak, also eats up time. One train not arriving on time west of Jamaica can have a very quick ripple effect. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:05:34 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by RonInBayside on Thu Jan 10 13:18:40 2008. Yup. Exactly. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:05:57 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 13:55:45 2008. I'm sure he does, but 9:30 is well past peak hours.In the case of this train, the reason they haven't adjusted the schedule is that it needs to arrive Valley Stream at 9:15 -- ahead of the Long Beach train that is going to arrive at 9:18 and make local stops (Rosedale, Laurelton, Springfield Gardens) to Jamaica. If the crossover still exists between Gibson and Valley Stream, there doesn't seem to be any reason why the train couldn't be held at any of the Far Rock stations in the event that a train meet causes people to miss the train -- the train could then be switched to the southernmost track at Valley Stream and switched back to its normal track west of Valley Stream. |
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Posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 14:08:10 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Thu Jan 10 10:43:56 2008. I'd love to see you document that statement.In every set of ridership stats posted, they have the lowest patronage of any electrified stations in Nassau (yes, I know, Far Rock isn't in Nassau). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:08:17 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Thu Jan 10 13:19:08 2008. 3). When you are on your way, spend less time at the newsstand or Starbucks, focus more time and priority on getting to the station in good time without any need to rush. This will also save you significant stress so early in the day.I guarantee that many people who didn't buy their ticket before boarding the train use that one.... "Oh the line at Dunkin Donuts or Starbucks was longer than usual".... Like that's the LIRR's fault!! Everyone knows there's a penalty to buying the ticket on the train, and it's up to YOU to make sure you get to the station on time to buy that ticket. If that means not enjoying your coffee on the train and buying it at Penn Station, then so be it.... |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Thu Jan 10 14:13:22 2008, in response to Re: How the LIRR and Nassau PD Conspire Against Commuters, posted by Charles G on Thu Jan 10 13:56:02 2008. Why? If you have a five minute walk to the station, why would you budget 10 minutes?What's the point of living 5 minutes from the station then? Bullcrap! If you know this happens, and obviously it does, then if you have a 5 minute walk to the station, and this "could happen", then it's up to YOU to leave the 8 minutes or 10 minutes you need. It's not the LIRR's fault that you want to see 5 more minutes of Godd Day NY. Anyone that has a train at 10:04, and only arrives there at 10:04, then it's your risk, and your problem, not the LIRR's. What's the point of living 5 minutes from the station then? So you don't have to live 15 minutes from the station and need the car. |
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