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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 12:15:37 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:13:08 2008. Haha, to clarify of course, as in 10/27/1904..... But I beg to differ, it probably goes back to the 1880's on the els.... At least early form graffiti. I have seen photos of old els with a name scratched into a train or into the paint on a station. Wasn't common of course, but it happened even then. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 12:15:49 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 10:13:08 2008. However, "grafitti" has been a problem since 10/27/04.Haha, to clarify of course, as in 10/27/1904..... But I beg to differ, it probably goes back to the 1880's on the els.... At least early form graffiti. I have seen photos of old els with a name scratched into a train or into the paint on a station. Wasn't common of course, but it happened even then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Mon Jan 7 12:21:36 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Mon Jan 7 12:15:49 2008. True. I've seen a pic of an el car with the term "Kilroy was here" carved into the body. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jan 7 14:01:37 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by SUBWAYSURF on Mon Jan 7 11:32:21 2008. Exactly! Taki183 was the one - back circa 1970 his tag started appearing all over the West Side IRT, on trains, on platforms, passageways, elevators. In short, everywhere. "Kilroy was here" notwithstanding, Taki183 was the real inspiration for all subsequent subway graffiti. |
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Posted by R42 4787 on Mon Jan 7 18:04:34 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by The Port of Authority on Sun Jan 6 12:14:02 2008. They would be red starting in 1986-88. |
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Posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 19:53:32 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jan 7 14:01:37 2008. So we have the then-brats of Northern Manhattan to thank for the start of subway graffiti? A lot of the tags I've seen in the earliest photos featured Northern Manhattan street numbers. Hell, up until a few years ago stations on the 1 line north of 116th were still getting bombed and vandalized, though nowhere near as much as the dark ages. There had been one or two incidents mentioned about 181st St. station getting randomly bombed and tagged, and 157th St. is probably, to this day the most decrepit and ugly station on the West Side IRT. Has anyone been up there recently? There are huge-ass chunks of wall tile missing everywhere around the station, and it looks dreary overall. 145h is not too far behind, with missing NAME PLAQUES. |
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Posted by Train Man Paul : Metro-North's Best Conductor for ALL 3 LINES!!! on Mon Jan 7 21:02:45 2008, in response to Re: Time for the MTA to cash in on the graffiti in the system..., posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sat Jan 5 15:19:38 2008. I wish people would STOP calling graffiti taggers "artists"!! THEY ARE NOT DOING ART!!Saturday, I bore witness to a shocking level of tagging that had occurred on some M-2s that were laid up in East Bridgeport Yard, 2 large burners on the sides of a pair that was seen being brought into Stamford Yard to be cleaned. I did not look at it as art, I thought it was despicable!! There was nothing artistic about indecipherable crap being scrawled on the sides of passenger trains!! If it is to be regarded as art, do a mural for the community, get a canvas and submit it to a gallery, do something constructive. Get proper recognition in an art book, art magazine or a world renowned museum, not deface private, city or state property!! |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Tue Jan 8 12:16:08 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 19:53:32 2008. In 1972-3, the last days of Third Avenue El operation coincided with the first explosion of giant graffiti on the outside of cars. I had a friend who taught at a school on nearby Bathgate Avenue and one day a train appeared with a car tagged "SEX 143" in giant spray paint. Every time it passed the school, north or southbound, his sixth-graders would explode in giggles. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jan 8 12:29:24 2008, in response to Re: Earliest instance of graffiti in the system, posted by El-Train on Mon Jan 7 19:53:32 2008. Here's a photo from "Under the Sidewalks of New York", showing 137th St. This is from before the trains got bad, but as you can see, the station was beginning to get tagged. At the height, even the tiled stations were heavily tagged, in addition to the elevated ones. The tiled stations were the first to be somewhat clean when they first began the fight.
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