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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 19:42:07 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 18:38:08 2007.

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Find your answer here

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 19:45:46 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by JBar387 on Fri Sep 28 18:52:01 2007.

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9574 had this, but the LOCAL/EXP signs were replaced with LCDs.



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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 20:27:29 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 18:38:08 2007.

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I read that post, thats why I ended the sentence with "or can the T/O do it also?".
You just wasted my time. Were your parents first-cousins by any chance?

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 20:34:28 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 20:27:29 2007.

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I guess you'll have to ask G1 for the specifics.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 20:56:37 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 28 18:45:41 2007.

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"The problem is that the C/R's are often too lazy to set all of the signs. The signs on the front and sides often contradict each other."

You have NO idea what you are talking about really..

I worked on the 7 Line Last Pick in the A Div as long as the sign in "your" operating postion is proper then thats fine, the railroad dont wait for ALL the signs to be proper..

Of coruse sometimes you dont have time to do that either, needs of the service..

I ran across people with "opinions"(this isnt the first time you did this either) like yours all through Schoolcar when i first came down here and guess what?

MOST of them are not working down here any more..

The ones who "seen the light" in the RTO way that are left now know better..


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:09:06 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 18:46:50 2007.

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Do you think...

Don't we already know the answer to this question?

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 21:10:50 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 20:27:29 2007.

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Heres your "answer"..

In R32's,R38's,R40's and R42's(the Single cabs) we have "sign changers" which we use to change the side signs (T/O's and C/R's have them).

The R40's and R42's have switches which are used to do this with the End Signs.

The R32's and R38's have the same thing with the End signs, but they arent switches they are "knobs" with have the letter of the train you wish to use and they are located in T/O cabs.

In R44's,R46's they have the electronic signs which require numbered codes for the side signs for the end signs a switch is used same as the R40's and the R42's.


The R62's use a sign changer as well for the side and end signs T/O and C/R can do it as well.

The same thing applies for the R68's if im correct sign changer for both ends.

The R142's,R143's and R160's only in the Operating cabs in the "A" cars can the signs be changed With the TOD Screen any crew member can do it.

If i missed anything please any B Div peeps feel free to add thanks..

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 21:12:40 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 21:10:50 2007.

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I thought R38s had electronic keypads instead of knobs.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:16:19 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 21:12:40 2007.

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its a dial thingy.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:16:59 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:16:19 2007.

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I'm sorry-- Was thinking R32.



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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 21:17:49 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:16:19 2007.

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Really? I could have sworn it was a keypad like the controls for the destination sign in buses... I've seen the dials in R32s.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Eric B on Fri Sep 28 21:20:21 2007, in response to A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 07:32:16 2007.

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Wow, and I at first thought it was going to turn out to be a Photoshopped hoax.

I tried to do something like this myself last winter, when I bought a rare LED belt buckle that changes to the basic 7 RGB colors. I used it when doing VR on the A to display the southern terminal. In the 44's it can rest behind the door enabler box, and in the 32's and 38's, you have to hang it from the pneumatic stuff above the window.

Don't know how visible it was.

Problem is, it eats up the batteries in a half hour. (By the time you get to Hoyt Schermerhorn). They have rechargeble Li-Ion 2042 button cells, but they are .6v higher, (3.6 instead of just 3) and I don't know if that is a problem.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:20:23 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 21:17:49 2007.

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see my other response. It isnt like the R32s, but it isnt like a bus either.


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 21:51:54 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 21:10:50 2007.

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I know of that as well, I'm asking just about this test train on the #7 train. Since it was mentioned that the energy switch was wired t control the new LEDS.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by FYBklyn1959 on Fri Sep 28 21:52:21 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 19:07:24 2007.

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IAWTP. Don't turn New York into North Cuba Miami.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Sep 28 21:55:16 2007, in response to A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 07:32:16 2007.

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That's just ugly. Besides, this works better.
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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 22:07:49 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Sep 28 21:55:16 2007.

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Except when the train turns into an express at QBP then what?

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 22:15:55 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Fri Sep 28 21:51:54 2007.

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Im sure the crews can access that..


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Sep 28 22:23:04 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 22:07:49 2007.

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The same thing that happens anywhere else, make proper announcements.


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by JBar387 on Fri Sep 28 22:41:53 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 19:45:46 2007.

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Yes. I remember it would display the time and either Local or Express. IMHO it really did not work.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by mr_brian on Fri Sep 28 22:51:22 2007, in response to A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 07:32:16 2007.

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I saw this train today.

It is a sight to behold.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by mr_brian on Fri Sep 28 22:55:25 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Railman718 on Fri Sep 28 20:56:37 2007.

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You have NO idea what you are talking about really..


He rarely ever has an idea...lol

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 23:07:37 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by mr_brian on Fri Sep 28 22:55:25 2007.

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Cut him some slack, he's an expert on PATH afterall ;-)

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by David on Fri Sep 28 23:33:42 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Mr. D - Type on Fri Sep 28 13:50:54 2007.

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On the contrary, the Dispatchers are doing what they can to keep service running out of Flatbush Avenue as well as possible under less than ideal circumstances. When they swap trains, it's because the train that's supposed to be the next one out is missing or late. Let's say it's 5:00 PM. A #2 is supposed to leave at 5:02, but there's no train waiting at the #2 platform to cover that trip. A train is about to enter the station, but it's a #5 that's supposed to leave Flatbush Avenue at 5:06 PM. The train that's supposed to cover the 5:02 PM #2 trip is at Beverly Road. The Dispatcher would have the #5 come into Flatbush Avenue on the #2 side and leave as a #2; the #2 behind it (which was supposed to be in front of it) will then cover the 5:06 PM #5 trip (although it might leave a minute or two late).

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 29 00:04:38 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 28 16:41:49 2007.

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There is one difference concerning the #6 line - during the afternoons and evening rush hours - the trains out of Parkchester run local, while the Pelham Bay trains run express. Anyone who is confused simply has to wait until the 138th Street-Third Avenue station (a local/express station) to see which track the uptown #6 arrives upon.

Of course the signage on the train and the conductor's messages are usually very clear on the subject. Usually any passengers that are not clear about wether a train is local or express, will also wait at the local/express stations (Hunts Point, for example) for the train that they need.

Usually there is not same "flip of a coin" about whether a #6 train is local or express.

Mike


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by monorail on Sat Sep 29 03:02:23 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 09:34:16 2007.

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'I haven't seen anything like this since the D types.'


D Types didn't have such signs....

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 29 03:37:05 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 28 18:45:41 2007.

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During the height of the evening rush, there's sometimes not enough time to change the signs in my nearest two cars! Think about it, when that train comes into Times Square - 42 Street (ESPECIALLY on Track 2), as soon as those doors open, the crowd rushes on. The C/R has to wait for an opening to board the car, make his way to the first rollsign, ask people nearby to shuffle over so he doesn't insert the crank up their nose, change the sign, and then make his way over to the next sign.

Oh by the way, he got the starting lights 50 seconds ago, and there's three trains in a conga line outside the station waiting to get in.

These new LED signs, while not exactly aesthetically pleasing, should help alleviate the confusion of whether the train is local or express, by always taking precedence over the rollsigns themselves.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 29 03:43:39 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by The Port of Authority on Fri Sep 28 21:17:49 2007.

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The R-44 and R-46 has a Luminator Sign Panel which controls the LCD side signs, exactly as you'd see on a bus. (The panel, not the signs.)

The R-32 has a knob with a pointer. Simply turn the knob so it points at the correct letter, number, or symbol, and that's what will be displayed on the end sign of that car.

The R-38 has an electronic sign panel, which is controlled by small thumb wheels. Each wheel has a number. You "input" a number using the thumb wheels, and a letter will be displayed on the end route sign which corresponds to that number. It's in alphabetical/numerical order. Therefore, if an R-38 is on the (A), you input #01. If it's on the (C), you input #03.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 29 04:12:35 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by G1Ravage on Sat Sep 29 03:37:05 2007.

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These new LED signs, while not exactly aesthetically pleasing, should help alleviate the confusion of whether the train is local or express, by always taking precedence over the rollsigns themselves.

So we can get people home from work faster, which is what we really like in our transit systems.

your pal,
Fred

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Michael549 on Sat Sep 29 11:55:02 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Fred G on Sat Sep 29 04:12:35 2007.

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From a previous message:
"So we can get people home from work faster, which is what we really like in our transit systems."

One could think the above statement is one of our goals, but let's face it, sometimes all that we transit fans fans really want to do is to run trains as fast and as "express" as we can - its fun. (smile)

Mike


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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Sat Sep 29 12:13:59 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by PATHman on Fri Sep 28 18:22:40 2007.

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Precisely correct.

It is hard to convince people that the "Manhattan Bound 6 Express train" is not an express and will make their stop.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by AMoreira81 on Sat Sep 29 12:42:49 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R30A on Sat Sep 29 12:13:59 2007.

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Then lengthen the announcements...state that this is a Manhattan bound 6 train making expresss stops in the Bronx and local stops in Manhattan (and have many various signs that can state WHERE the train is running express in the event of a G.O.---42 to 125, 42 to 14, 42 to GCT, etc)...as well as every possible destination. I'm sure the computer that can fit every program.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by P-rad M on Sat Sep 29 14:50:29 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Fri Sep 28 23:07:37 2007.

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he's an expert on PATH afterall ;-)

I wouldn't say that either....

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 15:00:46 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Kriston Lewis on Fri Sep 28 22:23:04 2007.

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What if the P/A system is broke?

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 15:10:39 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R30A on Fri Sep 28 21:20:23 2007.

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…but it isn't like a bus either.

The Bee-Line Flx's used a thumbwheel controller.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Sep 29 15:14:10 2007, in response to A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Fri Sep 28 07:32:16 2007.

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There was an ALL SINGLE CAR set of these cars with those LED signs on the road yesterday Im not sure about today. the car #s are 2145-2155

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 15:16:29 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R 36 ML 9542 on Sat Sep 29 15:14:10 2007.

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Interesting. I'll be looking for that one!

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Broadway Buffer on Sat Sep 29 15:44:32 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 15:00:46 2007.

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Ask the C/R.

And if all else fails, just hold open the doors until you're sure where it's headed ;-)

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 16:09:18 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by monorail on Sat Sep 29 03:02:23 2007.

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I know the D Types didn't have LED signs, that's for sure, but I do recall seeing them have some kind of light-up side sign in addition to the rollsigns to indicate what kind of service the train would provide. I forget whether it was Via Tunnel/Via Bridge or Local/Express. I couldn't find a good enough picture of them on nycsubway.org, so I guess the only good place to check 'em out is at the Transit Museum.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:30:09 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by P-rad M on Sat Sep 29 14:50:29 2007.

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i wished i could edit that lol meant to say: "expert" ;)

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by P-rad M on Sat Sep 29 17:41:12 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:30:09 2007.

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lol. Sounds better. :)

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by PATHman on Sat Sep 29 17:41:29 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:30:09 2007.

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And the cyber bullying continues...fortunately I have thicker skin than that.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:54:10 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by PATHman on Sat Sep 29 17:41:29 2007.

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Well if you learn to stop hating dogs due to one incident and stop this PATH is superior to the NYC subway rants and how shootings at a subway station forces you to change your screen name then I will backoff.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 29 18:00:35 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:54:10 2007.

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Hah!

I already challenged him about that little thingy..he never answered any of my inquiries.

PATH is nice,no question,for a "small system"..but it cannot hope to match the scope of the MTA'S responsiblities...

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by PATHman on Sat Sep 29 18:02:24 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 17:54:10 2007.

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I'm done ignoring the 800 pound gorilla in the room. I made a remark about transitspot.com over a year ago. I have since apologized and the vast majority of the people moved on. Some, however, don't know how to let things go. I kiss no one's ass. You either like me or you don't.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 19:13:49 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 29 18:00:35 2007.

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I'd say something more, but then I would be accused of adding gas to the fire. So I'll leave it at that.
All I want are answers to those 3 questions. Where he keeps saying this is about some dispute over another site is beyond me.
Every thing I pointed out was all stated here on this website.

btw e-mail me.

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Re: [Check Your email,dude!] A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 29 20:32:26 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 19:13:49 2007.

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CHECK your email!

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Re: [Check Your email,dude!] A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Grand concourse on Sat Sep 29 20:49:09 2007, in response to Re: [Check Your email,dude!] A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by Edwards! on Sat Sep 29 20:32:26 2007.

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hem, didn't get the mail.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by Eric B on Sat Sep 29 21:08:00 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by R36 #9346 on Sat Sep 29 15:10:39 2007.

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The NYCT RTS's actually did too a long time ago. Then they switched to the keypads.

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Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line

Posted by R30A on Sat Sep 29 21:58:31 2007, in response to Re: A Set of R62A's Try to Answer an Age-old Question on the 7 Line, posted by PATHman on Sat Sep 29 18:02:24 2007.

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It has nothing to do with the fact that you made a post about transitspot.

It has to do with the fact that you would make such a post. You made moronic posts of the type both before and since that has happenned.

If it was just your transitspot post, nobody would care anymore.

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