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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:42:15 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 19:12:13 2005. We have a weiner!!! Report is the A is 5 min and the C is 10, so there's your 18TPH. Wonder about the 10-car C deal, that's a good idea. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:43:32 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Broadway Junction on Tue Feb 1 20:15:41 2005. Once again, Canal tower sorts out the A, C and E. Canal is unaffected. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:46:43 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:22:12 2005. A's and E's don't interefere with each other at Canal, the C's the problem, and it never runs more than 8 minute headways... |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:47:46 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:41:09 2005. N/B WD is at Canal, unaffected by the fire. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:52:33 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005. With the Rock Park A trains gone, service to Rockaway and Lefferts is about the same. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:54:46 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:14:33 2005. There are fewer C's than V's. Canal St. is staffed with people who know how to handle that kind of junction. |
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Posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 22:56:58 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005. > I feel sorry for the Lefferts bound riders as they have to wait even longer w/the majority to Far Rockaway.BULLS%$&. Look at the schedule. At points in the morning following the rush and once in the evening, you have 2 Lefferts Blvd trains to every 1 Far Rockaway Train. Otherwise, with the exception of the Rock Park tarins, its 1:1 Lefferts:Far Rock. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 23:06:29 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:36:35 2005. Does that mean the signals will take longer to clear from red? I'm a moron when it comes to all the signal aspects and what they mean ... |
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NY Times Article Re: C returning tomorrow!!! |
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Posted by JohnL on Tue Feb 1 23:17:55 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Look here.The engineers have put (cobbled?) together a temporary signalling system that will allow 18 TPH (12-A, 6-C) rather than 26. I think they deserve congratulations for managing this in 9 days! John |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:24:23 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:46:43 2005. I never said that A's and E's interfere with each other. Chris said that the switching at Jay was messing up A and F trains. I said that it was no more than switching at Canal messed up A's and E's. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:26:38 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:47:46 2005. So then why wasn't it active two days ago? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:31:52 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:54:46 2005. There are fewer C's than V's.This is true, but neither one is an issue in reality. The A and F run the same # of trains. Schedule A's and F's to arrive together. The issue exists because it's not a normal service pattern. Canal St. is staffed with people who know how to handle that kind of junction. And People at Jay st don't know how to handle simple switching operations? Yes, they do. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 23:33:13 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:05:07 2005. No one doubts the work by them, just what the newscasters and the upper management tells us is what we doubt. |
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Posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 23:35:38 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:26:38 2005. Because there was only the A train running. With a H.S. clear for a straight lineup, the WDs are no longer active. |
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Posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 23:37:58 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:31:52 2005. > And People at Jay st don't know how to handle simple switching operations? Yes, they do.Debatable :) Jay St has a supervisor at all times, maybe more than one. The Supervisor dictates what train goes when. Canal St there is no supervisor. As long as everything is running smoothly and doing so is practical it's first come, first served. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Feb 1 23:38:30 2005, in response to NY Times Article Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by JohnL on Tue Feb 1 23:17:55 2005. Tomorrow's news, TODAY! Thanks. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:38:58 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 23:06:29 2005. He posted a link to how station time works. Basically, it allows trains to get closer to trains in the station, allowing them to get in quicker. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:41:10 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 23:35:38 2005. Then why dont they do that whenever an A approaches? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:43:01 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 23:37:58 2005. As long as everything is running smoothly and doing so is practical it's first come, first served.I always thought it was according to schedule. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:44:22 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 23:33:13 2005. No one doubts the work by them,I remember people singing a different tune last time there were contract talks. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 23:54:45 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:44:22 2005. Well usually the union tries to milk the most $ as possible for salary hikes that the MTA can't afford. That's why a massive hike is not that popular especially when it means fare hikes for everyone else. [Of course from the public's perspective]. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 23:57:15 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by (H) Rockaway Shuttle on Tue Feb 1 22:56:58 2005. Alright I'm sorry guys, I didn't know.But overall the A could use a few extra trains especially during the midday. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 00:06:31 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. Danggit, I was hoping for a special printing of "The Map" :( |
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Posted by Flatbush41 on Wed Feb 2 00:29:03 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 17:23:05 2005. Congratulate the workers who performed this minor miracle.Agreed. Unfortunately the good transit workers are usually underrated for their work. |
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Posted by R30A on Wed Feb 2 01:11:18 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:41:10 2005. they DONT have the wheeldetectors on when the A approaches. |
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 02:12:24 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 00:06:31 2005. Oh well at least you still have mine :-)Jan 27 map |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 2 05:48:13 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by M15 to South Ferry on Tue Feb 1 22:20:37 2005. The C can't turn at WTC. WTC is at capacity already.But, as Chris points out elsewhere, some C's can go past Euclid. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 2 06:24:59 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 22:15:24 2005. Certainly not on weekends. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 2 06:30:00 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 22:41:09 2005. It was on Saturday night. I think I even saw it blinking last Tuesday. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Wed Feb 2 06:41:21 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:41:10 2005. The WD is only inactive when there is a lineup established at the leaving home signal for a straight move. Normally, the tower operator leaves the lever in until they see for sure what train is coming, or the train punches [there's a punch at Canal NB, right?]. The last week they haven't had any C's coming up, so the lever was left clear, and the WD wasn't active. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Wed Feb 2 06:44:49 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Feb 1 23:06:29 2005. Just slightly longer, the leading train might have to be about 100-200 feet farther than normal. |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Wed Feb 2 06:48:11 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:24:23 2005. Oh, I see, you were talking about the straight moves [A/E, A/F] that get plugged by the crossover move. -sorry!Is there a punch at York? |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Wed Feb 2 06:51:26 2005, in response to NY Times Article Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by JohnL on Tue Feb 1 23:17:55 2005. Thank you. BTW, I thought cobblers worked on shoes :)It's not really a temporary system, the field elements of the original system were just rewired with new circuits. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:17:23 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:31:52 2005. And People at Jay st don't know how to handle simple switching operations? Yes, they do. Given their performance yesterday, I'd disagree. |
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Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Wed Feb 2 11:23:06 2005, in response to Re: NY Times Article Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Wed Feb 2 06:51:26 2005. Kudos to the good folks for restoring C service so soon, even if it isn't 100% yet. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:23:07 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 2 06:24:59 2005. One person's adequate is another's unacceptable. Fact is the CPW local has had one 8-car local for 70 years on weekends, when ridership was both higher and lower than it is today. |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Feb 2 11:28:11 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by J trainloco on Tue Feb 1 23:31:52 2005. And People at Jay st don't know how to handle simple switching operations? Yes, they do.Prove it! Last Friday night, I railfanned an R38 A train from Canal to Jay (I eventually took the V to Franklin for the shuttle). The ride was smooth going, under the best circumstances with the call-ins at Canal Street, the manual signal operations using track gangs, and the slow going. None of this bothered me, what ticked me off was wne we got to High Street where we waited approximately 4 minutes (yes 4 minutes and that is well after we passed the restricted area.), while Jay Street gives us the homeball. Then when we were able to proceed, we entered Jay while a V train was idling because it will have to divert to the A line track before entering Jay. And to add futher insult to injury, the A train gets it's usual holding lights for about 1 minute, while the V follower is delayed outside Jay (and further backing up any F trains behind it, in the process.) The ride from Canal to Broadway-Nassau took less than 5 minutes, but the ride from High to leaving Jay took almost 8 minutes to complete. What is wrong with the picture? If the A was being held for homeball at High Street, why wouldn't Jay give the V to go ahead of us, at the very least? |
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Posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Feb 2 11:30:14 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:23:07 2005. CPW local also had 4 car AA trains on night and weekends as well, except during the holday season when the full 8 cars were used. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:34:22 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 22:42:15 2005. Using 10 car C trains results in a net loss of only 1/2 of one C train per hour: 8 cars X 8 TPH = 64 cars 10 cars X 6 TPH - 60 cars |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 2 11:39:35 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by David of Broadway on Wed Feb 2 05:48:13 2005. WTC may be at capacity, but why not use the opportunity presented by the Tragedy to expand it? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Feb 2 11:40:38 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by H.S.Relay on Tue Feb 1 18:44:40 2005. God BLESS the IND ... Noo Yawkahs should stand up and cheer for this one even if it's Hylan's railroad.Former conductor/motorman, D train - half BMT, half IND and damned proud of it. :) |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:43:10 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Feb 2 11:30:14 2005. Yeah, but that was in the 60's and 70's, when ridership was declining. Someone once said they used 3 car AA trains for a while. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:45:31 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Newkirk Plaza David on Wed Feb 2 11:28:11 2005. Yesterday morning around 10 AM the southbound 6th Ave local was stopped dead from B'way Lafayette to Jay St. Didn't pass a single train in motion. Maybe the schedule planners didn't have time to make one which avoided merging conflicts or kept them to a minimum. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:47:15 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 2 11:39:35 2005. That would require extending the tracks south, and the BMT blocks that. |
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Posted by Richard Rabinowitz on Wed Feb 2 11:49:27 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Feb 2 11:47:15 2005. OIC. |
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Posted by broadway junction on Wed Feb 2 12:06:15 2005, in response to Re: C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by R30A on Wed Feb 2 01:11:18 2005. Sometimes they do, sometimes they don't. More often than not in my expreience they're usually on. In theory, they really shouldn't be on for an approaching A (unless it's creeping in shortly behind a C). |
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PHOTO PROFF (Was: Re: C returning tomorrow!!!) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 12:42:24 2005, in response to C returning tomorrow!!!, posted by jrr4 on Tue Feb 1 16:58:49 2005. R-38 4139 @ 59 St - Columbus Circle (C). Photo taken by Brian Weinberg, 2/2/2005.
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Posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 12:46:27 2005, in response to PHOTO PROFF (Was: Re: C returning tomorrow!!!), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 12:42:24 2005. A sad shame, so much for more V shot ops. :-(RiP Euclid bound V's. So I take it the C is back to the typical 8-car trains even though it's service is only 75%? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 12:50:42 2005, in response to Re: PHOTO PROFF (Was: Re: C returning tomorrow!!!), posted by M15 to South Ferry on Wed Feb 2 12:46:27 2005. I obseved an 8-car train. I saw no R-46 (C) trains, which would have implied 10-cars. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 12:51:17 2005, in response to Re: PHOTO PROFF (Was: Re: C returning tomorrow!!!), posted by Terrapin Station on Wed Feb 2 12:50:42 2005. I meant R-44 |
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