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The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007 A great article in this morning's Daily News. http://www.nydailynew.com/news/2007/07/02/2007-07-02_how_do_straphangers_spell_relief_with_a.html For riders there is an orange-coloured oasis but alas is still looking for love, respect and happiness since it was brought to life nearly six years ago. (sniff) |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:23:33 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. Your URL has a few typo's; the URL is:http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2007/07/02/2007-07-02_how_do_straphangers_spell_relief_with_a_.html Link to story here. |
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Posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jul 2 11:44:43 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:23:33 2007. With the L being one of the most congested lines, this sounds like a good rationale for extending the V to Metropolitan Avenue via Chrystie St.Why aren't people in Bushwick/Williamsburg/Ridgewood making noise about this to their city council reps? |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:50:50 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Qveensboro_Plaza on Mon Jul 2 11:44:43 2007. Why aren't people in Bushwick/Williamsburg/Ridgewood making noise about this to their city council reps?'Tis possible the residents don't know about the Chrystie St Connector. You'd first have to sell the fact that the (M) CAN access 6th Ave this way, and THEN they would have incentive to make noise (direct access versus up to 2 transfers). I agree that such a connection (and service) should be advertised and fought for. |
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Posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 12:53:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:50:50 2007. shadyelstation, my thanks for catching the typos and creating the link. Interesting how the article is worded. The M.T.A. may disagree with the useless part, arguing there's a cross platform transfer to the (F) for continuing service to Brooklyn, but a rider would start on the (F) anyway (or switch to it at Roosevelt or 47th-50th from the (V)) if they want Brooklyn. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 12:59:15 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. How do straphangers spell relief? With a V |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 13:04:18 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 12:53:47 2007. No prob :)The (V) isn't entirely useless, it's just not used to its full potential IMO. Extending the (V) to Church may make it more attractive. I think combining the current (M) and (V) routes would be even better. |
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Posted by avid reader on Mon Jul 2 15:09:11 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 12:59:15 2007. The V needs a loop terminal.Only then will true love Blossum for the V! avid |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Jul 2 15:14:39 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 12:59:15 2007. Until the V goes to Church Avenue, it will still be looking for love and respect!The V was a great line for those couple of days that it was running to Euclid Avenue to replace C service from that transformer fire last year. It was great in those R32 sets. |
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Posted by joe c on Mon Jul 2 15:19:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by avid reader on Mon Jul 2 15:09:11 2007. A loop terminal won't help it find respect one bit.til next time |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 2 16:16:22 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 13:04:18 2007. That would ultimately mean shorter V trains. Wouldn't that make the North Queens portion more crowded? |
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Posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 2 16:17:41 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by avid reader on Mon Jul 2 15:09:11 2007. And where would you put it? |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Jul 2 16:24:42 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 12:53:47 2007. However, there are people who live in Jackson Heights and Forest Hills who commute to Brooklyn. Yes the V is local and a little longer but it is still an alternative which, if advertised correctly, would increase ridership.The way commuters are, they believe an express is an express. Someone at Roosevelt Avenue/Jackson Heights who is commuting to Midtown Manhattan will let a V go and wait for the F train. They don't realize that their commute would be just the same amount of time (if not more) if the F does not arrive less than 10 minutes after the V has left Jackson Heights. Plus, if the V is extended to Brooklyn, it would increase ridership even more. The fact that the V does not go into Brooklyn hurts the line. People won't use it since it doesn't advance south of Second Avenue. |
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Posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 17:03:48 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by R36 #9346 on Mon Jul 2 16:16:22 2007. According to MTA crowding data posted in an earlier thread, the (V) is 50% crowded during the peak hour.So if you took the same number of people currently on 600' trains (50% load) and put them on 480' trains, the peak load would be 62.5%, which is still very low compared with the rest of the system (and that's IF you keep the TPH levels the same). (In short, the answer to your question is...not really.) Anyway, what I'd do is combine the (M) and the (V), call it the (M) 6th Ave Local, and have it run 9 TPH peak (the same peak TPH level of the current (V) IIRC). 6 trains originate from Metropolitan Ave and 3 trains originate from Crescent St. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 17:05:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Jul 2 15:14:39 2007. The V was a great line for those couple of days that it was running to Euclid Avenue to replace C service from that transformer fire last year.It was great in those R32 sets. I only photographed R-46 sets out that way.  But I did photography R-32/38 V sets closer to where they normally run:   
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 2 17:11:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 17:05:40 2007. Nice R38 V! When did that happen?? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 17:16:51 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 2 17:11:20 2007. January 2005 |
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Posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 2 17:18:57 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. Only if the V ran weekends then I would respect it. |
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Posted by Pelham R62A on Mon Jul 2 17:27:18 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 17:05:40 2007. I'm not suprised you have those pics my friend!Good shots |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 19:50:07 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. And yet the MTA will still force feed riders a service pattern that only benefits a small minority. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 19:59:35 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 19:50:07 2007. No, a lot of people could benefit, but they choose not to. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 20:13:47 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 19:50:07 2007. And yet the MTA will still force feed riders a service pattern that only benefits a small minority.If you would get your head out of your ass, you would realize that it benefits more than just a small minority. |
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 2 20:17:46 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 20:13:47 2007. It could benefit many more riders but they like to squeeze onto the E and F to save a few minutes of running time and bitch about how horrible the crowding is on the express trains. If only some would give in...... |
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Posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 2 20:24:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:50:50 2007. Plus, the people over here don't fight for anything transitwise. They just either take whatever is given, or take cars. |
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Posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 2 20:29:07 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Bill from Maspeth on Mon Jul 2 20:17:46 2007. I have noticed that myself the Echo and Fox Pulls into 71st, the mad dash begins...While the Victor Pulls in and just sits, empty... Of coruse these are the same people who get off at Stations such as 5th Ave, Lex Ave, and Stops all along 6th Ave to Houston Street. The ones who run and try to run you over as well for that so called "Express Service"... I would rather have a seat and a comfortable ride and spend an extra 2 or 5 minutes on the train than ride a sardine can on wheels.. Thats just my thinking though.. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:47:54 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 20:13:47 2007. ...not responding to puerile insult... |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 2 20:29:07 2007. Meanwhile, most people want to get to work without making every single stop along Queens Blvd. 5-10 minutes can mean the difference between being on time and late. Why prolong your commute when it isn't necessary? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 20:53:32 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. Meanwhile, most people want to get to work without making every single stop along Queens Blvd.That's their choice! They are choosing an express and crowded conditions over a local and a seat or a lot of standing room. Don't blame NYCT! 5-10 minutes can mean the difference between being on time and late. Huh? If you want to take the local, then leave a few minutes earlier!!!! And you'll have a nice relaxing commute!!!!!!And if you need to be somewhere on time, 5 to 10 minutes is not leaving yourself enough time!!! Why prolong your commute when it isn't necessary? Um, maybe because you'll get a seat and it will be like a 10000x more comfortable ride???? |
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Posted by TheGreatOne2k7 on Mon Jul 2 21:31:59 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by error46146 on Mon Jul 2 17:18:57 2007. (V) does run 6 days a week though, think about it... |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:35:57 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:47:54 2007. ...not responding to puerile insult...because you can't respond. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:38:05 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 20:49:49 2007. 5-10 minutes can mean the difference between being on time and late.If you leave that little time for contingencies, then you deserve to be late. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:43:09 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:38:05 2007. Tell you what, how about you try my 90 minute bus to subway commute? You'll then realize that any time savings is appreciated. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 21:45:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:43:09 2007. That's just your opinion. But don't complain about crowded conditions then because there is a perfectly uncrowded train waiting to carry you as long as you leave an extra 10 minutes earlier in the morning. Or if your bus runs at headways longer than 10 minutes, you may have to leave slightly earlier. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:52:18 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:43:09 2007. Tell you what, how about you try my 90 minute bus to subway commute? You'll then realize that any time savings is appreciated.For 3 years I had a 4-hour(round trip) commute.During my first several months(slightly less than a year), it was a 5-hour commute(3-hour late-night trip). It was a combined bus-train-train-metro-north commute. Late night was metro-north-train-train-train-walk (or bus if it came). Believe me, any time savings is rarely meaningful. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:55:14 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 21:45:40 2007. But don't complain about crowded conditions then because there is a perfectly uncrowded train waiting to carry you as long as you leave an extra 10 minutes earlier in the morning.not to mention that "useless" train actually helps him even if he doesn't use it as it reduces crowding on both of the trains he uses. Of course, his selfish attitude prevents him from understanding. |
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Posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 21:55:14 2007. When did I ask for a less crowded train? The average non-foamer simply wants a train that will take them to their destination as quickly as possible. Have you ever heard the phrase New York Minute? People do not want to experiment with silly little locals. I'd rather get squished like a sardine then stop at 65st, Northern Blvd, 46st, Steinway st, 36st, etc. The F riders having to transfer to the E just to reach the vital Manhattan stops certainly would rather have the F go to its original destination than to make these obscure stops like Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island. |
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Posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 22:13:06 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. When did I ask for a less crowded train?Just about every time you complain about the V. You also neglect to note that a less crowded train has lower dwell times, which actually benefits you. The average non-foamer simply wants a train that will take them to their destination as quickly as possible. And in many cases, the local will get them there faster. And don't forget, you cannot have any expresses without locals Have you ever heard the phrase New York Minute? Yes I have. It is a meaningless argument used when someone cannot come with a meaningful one. People do not want to experiment with silly little locals. Locals are not silly. They are actually much more useful than an express 90% of the time. And all of the people that use those locals will disagree with you. I'd rather get squished like a sardine then stop at 65st, Northern Blvd, 46st, Steinway st, 36st, etc. Maybe not, but enough people disagree with you to make the V service useful and viable. The F riders having to transfer to the E just to reach the vital Manhattan stops certainly would rather have the F go to its original destination than to make these obscure stops like Queensbridge and Roosevelt Island. And there goes you childish selfishness again. How about the majority of F line passengers who benefit from the F not stopping at 53rd-lex and 53rd-5th? The new service pattern benefits more F line riders than it hurts. |
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Posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jul 2 22:13:08 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Railman718 on Mon Jul 2 20:29:07 2007. "I would rather have a seat and a comfortable ride and spend an extra 2 or 5 minutes on the train than ride a sardine can on wheels.."Same here. I have often used the V just because it is less crowded. In fact, I don't care if everyone else wants the so-called "express." Let them keep crowding into E and F trains and I'll enjoy the space in the V. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 22:15:21 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by PATHman on Mon Jul 2 21:59:34 2007. When did I ask for a less crowded train?Come on, you must be thinking it. Everyone wants a less crowded train. The average non-foamer simply wants a train that will take them to their destination as quickly as possible. Oh. Really? And you base this on what scientific study? Because it seems to me that the average non-foamer wants a balance between speed and comfort. People do not want to experiment with silly little locals. Experiment?!!?!?! Bwahaha hahahahaah! You make it sound like the local is the great unknown. You do know that locals run just like expresses, right? There's no risk of something weird happening. They are on THE MAP and well explained. I'd rather get squished like a sardine then stop at 65st, Northern Blvd, 46st, Steinway st, 36st, etc. W00t for you. Others claims to agree with you, but then they complain about overcrowding. They are hypocrites. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 22:22:46 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jul 2 22:13:08 2007. WORD |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:23:02 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 19:59:35 2007. If they choose not to doesn't that say something? |
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Posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:24:20 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Jul 2 12:59:15 2007. I have to ask this, was the (G) train more crowded than the (V) is now during the rush before they got cut? |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 00:39:49 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 11:50:50 2007. Let me tell you..the MTA doesn't Want to run a Broadway Brooklyn-6th avenue service,and would rather it just vanish all together. |
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Posted by Edwards! on Tue Jul 3 01:01:51 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Eric B on Mon Jul 2 20:24:59 2007. Not true...our "group" over here fought for 24 hour exits/entry on the G line at several stations..key station improvements to deal with the water problems...lighting and noise[welded rails to mute that subway train ROAR...]What the MTA needs to do..is offer a survey to the Eastern Division riders..ask if the Riders WANT a direct connection to the 6th avenue subway. I'll say it right now..it will never happen..but why not put it out there so it can be "looked at"? |
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Posted by American Pig on Tue Jul 3 03:01:31 2007, in response to The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by E Line Fan on Mon Jul 2 11:15:51 2007. Did you go to the CC LOCAL school of Subway message board posting? |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 03:45:15 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by mambomta on Mon Jul 2 22:13:06 2007. Thank you! especially that last statement. |
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Posted by Grand concourse on Tue Jul 3 03:46:24 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Andrew Saucci on Mon Jul 2 22:13:08 2007. Truth |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Tue Jul 3 05:47:21 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by shadyelstation on Mon Jul 2 13:04:18 2007. This is similar to what I've brought up before:Combining the M/V is one of several options that would make the V more attractive as a whole (and in doing so, making a combined train a 24/7 route where especially if it included a full-time FREE transfer to the G in Brooklyn where the lines). I would also look at making the V a third route over the Williamsburg Bridge, having it terminate at Myrtle Avenue running local in Brooklyn in the reverse peak direction and express in the peak direction during rush hours that would extend like they are on the 7, in this case including on weekends. It's probably never occured to many people because the connector at Chrystie Street hasn't been used on a regular basis since the mid-'70s and last on a reroute in the early '80s, so most aren't likely aware its possible. The shorter trains would not be that big of a deal here since V trains aren't that crowded to begin with, though one thing that could be considered is lengthening platforms to at least Myrtle Avenue to accomodate 10-car trains if that became necessary. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 06:46:40 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:23:02 2007. Yes, it says that they can't complain about crowded conditions. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Jul 3 06:46:53 2007, in response to Re: The (V) Still Looking For Love And Respect - TEXT, posted by Osmosis Jones on Tue Jul 3 00:24:20 2007. no idea |
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