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From Chicago: Was: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 11 14:20:07 2008, in response to The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 11 02:26:07 2008.

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I send this post to a police officer friend in Chicago, here is his reply to the thread:

Wow, what an episode... these incidents do happen more often than not; especially with so-called "officers". I think Nilet handled the incident extremely well, even having a copy of the TA policies with him. At first I understood the concern of the "officers" but after speaking with Nilet they should have let the matter drop. Handcuffing a subject is a proper procedure as you said, then uncuffing said person is also proper procedure once the situation is defused. I'm sure they thought that if they deleted the photos of their identity he would have let the whole thing go, but they WERE WRONG. I would call it "damage to property" for deleting the pics, not robbery since they didn't deprive him of his belongings permanently (other than the saved data).

He was correct in contacting the administration and filing a complaint, thank the rail gods that they found in his favor. Also that the memory card was restored. Keeping in touch with the investigator is also crucial, it keeps them on their toes and not working a number of other cases instead.

Obviously there could be a terrorist threat possibility by taking pics or video of public buildings, sworn officers are actively on the lookout for that type of activity. He was questioned about it, he answered truthfully and that should have been the end. They erred in their continuing harassment and damage to property. Then also they can be charged with destroying the evidence of their unofficial "investigation" since they never made out a report (or I don't think they did) as well as official misconduct. My guess is they WILL be fired.


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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 11 14:24:40 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by (3) Livonia Ave. Local on Fri Jan 11 07:40:33 2008.

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Persistence pays off.

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 11 17:29:44 2008, in response to The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 11 02:26:07 2008.

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That's nice. When are you going to get a life, now?

Cops don't mess with people for no reason. Too bad we can't hear the other side of the story.

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 11 17:30:45 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Jersey Mike on Fri Jan 11 08:30:28 2008.

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You noticed that too, eh?

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by BrooklynBus on Fri Jan 11 18:46:50 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 11 17:29:44 2008.

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Cops don't mess with people for no reason.

Not true.

When I was a little kid, my father told me that he was once arrested for absolutely no reason. (This probably happened in the 1930s.) He was just walking down the street when all of a sudden, everyone else started to run when the cops were approaching. My father didn't run because he did nothing wrong, so he was arrested! The police just figured he was "with the others."

I doubt it if much has changed since. If you're a person of color, it is only worse.

I'm not saying it happens all the time or that cops are bad, but a generalization like that just isn't true.

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 11 18:50:39 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 11 17:29:44 2008.

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Unfortunately there are too many "cop vs. photographer" incidents these days. Photography should not be a reason to be hassled by cops.

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 11 20:13:45 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Nilet on Fri Jan 11 10:11:25 2008.

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And according to Chris she was red too!

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 11 20:18:48 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 11 11:39:34 2008.

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Which one is the communist one?

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 11 20:23:36 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Olog-hai on Fri Jan 11 17:29:44 2008.

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We can't, but it is almost certain that the CCRB has heard the other side of the story and didn't buy it.

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Broadway Lion on Fri Jan 11 22:55:20 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by BMTLines on Fri Jan 11 18:50:39 2008.

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Amen. Take name and badge numbers, and report incidents to the precinct commanders. Politely, and Constructively.

ROAR

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Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident)

Posted by Dan Lawrence on Sat Jan 12 12:43:42 2008, in response to Re: The End and Resolution! (Re: Cop Incident), posted by Spider-Pig on Fri Jan 11 20:18:48 2008.

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None of the above.

They don't think like a New Yorker.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 01:02:19 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 20:50:19 2007.

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Did this really happen?

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 01:53:50 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 01:02:19 2015.

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Did what really happen?

1. I don't know, but press charges!
2. I don't know, but sue!
3. Yes, download or buy file recovery software!


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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:23:41 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 21:26:35 2007.

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When I clicked the link you posted, I got a "404 Not Found" error message.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by AlM on Wed Mar 25 02:31:11 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:23:41 2015.

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Web sites can change in 8 years.



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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:40:49 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:23:41 2015.

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I did a search for Sec. 1050.9c within the site and got the info I wanted.

However, there seems to be a contradictory clause in Sec. 1050.6c(5) that reads:

No person shall use media devices such as films, slides or videotapes.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 03:30:46 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:40:49 2015.

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From context, it seems they're referring to watching video etc, since that whole section is about public disturbances.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 05:35:34 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Terrapin Station on Sun Apr 29 20:50:19 2007.

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Wow. Pre-breakdown Terrapin Station was actually such a nice guy.

Pity what happened to him. Whatever that was. :(

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by Spider-Pig on Wed Mar 25 07:01:33 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 01:02:19 2015.

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Hypocrite stalker!

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:45:25 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:23:41 2015.

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Darn right you did.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:45:41 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by AlM on Wed Mar 25 02:31:11 2015.

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Even unnecessarily.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:46:47 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:40:49 2015.

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Yay.

No, that's not a contradiction, as Nilet explained.

You can be sure that those of us in the trenches taking photos of the subway every day know what we are taking about when we talk about the rules.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:48:17 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 05:35:34 2015.

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I still am such a nice guy, to people who are nice to me and others. Pity you don't know how to be nice. Pity you've also gone off the deep end, politically.

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Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Mar 25 10:49:19 2015, in response to Re: ROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY DESTROYED!, posted by milantram on Wed Mar 25 02:23:41 2015.

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Last time the Wayback Machine recorded it as active on that particular URL was Spring of 2014.

The current URL has the "www" changed to "web".

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 17:56:51 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by terRAPIN station on Wed Mar 25 08:48:17 2015.

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I still am such a nice guy, to people who are nice to me and others.

No, now you're just a troll.

You were nice. Then one day, you snapped. You declared that I "betrayed" you in some manner you can't explain because you made it up and decided this justifies you acting like an asshole. (You made different justifications for other people; for example, you declared Selkirk "ruined your life" in some way you can't explain because you made it up.)

Pity you don't know how to be nice.

So why did you let me borrow your camera?

You can't act like an asshole to someone and then complain they "don't know how to be nice." Morality is based on reciprocityó act like a dick to people and most of them will return the favour.

Pity you've also gone off the deep end, politically.

In what way?

Considering that Olog thinks we should destroy the entire country and have anarchy, GP Chris thinks we should reinstate segregation, and Gamera thinks we should kill every non-Jew in Palestine, that bar is set pretty high even if my political views weren't all mainstream, common sense, or both.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 19:31:08 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 17:56:51 2015.

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Have you taken a bath yet?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 25 19:44:25 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 19:31:08 2015.

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It figures that he's one of those skevatz's....

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 20:39:16 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Mar 25 19:44:25 2015.

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Yes and maybe that's why he was not only stopped, but treated accordingly for his appearance - - alone.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 20:53:49 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 19:31:08 2015.

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You too?

I think I'm officially the sexiest man on SubChat. I've lost track of how many people have posted fantasies about "taking a bath" with me.

Pity I don't swing that way. Find yourself a boyfriend. It might make you feel better.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 20:59:22 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 20:39:16 2015.

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Oh please.

The minute one cop told you photography was illegal, you shut off your camera and agreed never to take pictures again. Then you see that I have the courage to actually defend my rights and this makes you jealous, so you start making up fantasies about me to make yourself feel better.

To this day, you never take any photos because you're too much of a coward. Meanwhile, I wonó the cops learned their lessons and I haven't been bothered in years. Your bitterness just makes my victory more satisfying.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 04:34:02 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Wed Mar 25 20:39:16 2015.

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pwn3d.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Thu Mar 26 04:49:28 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 04:34:02 2015.

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Have we met?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:08:14 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 17:56:51 2015.

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You declared that I "betrayed" you in some manner
Because you did, as I said.

(You made different justifications for other people; for example, you declared Selkirk "ruined your life" in some way you can't explain because you made it up.)
LOL! I fully explained that! LOL! OMG this is great. So great. He ruined my life!!!!

So why did you let me borrow your camera?
That was before you betrayed me, when you still knew how to be nice. Obviously.

You can't act like an asshole to someone and then complain they "don't know how to be nice." Morality is based on reciprocityó act like a dick to people and most of them will return the favour.
Wow, that may be the smartest thing you've ever said, except that it applies to you and you don't know it.

You can't act like an asshole to someone and then complain they "don't know how to be nice."
I know. And I have done no such thing. I have not complained.

In what way? Considering that Olog thinks we should destroy the entire country and have anarchy, GP Chris thinks we should reinstate segregation, and Gamera thinks we should kill every non-Jew in Palestine, that bar is set pretty high even if my political views weren't all mainstream, common sense, or both.
In the same way as Olog-hai.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Mar 26 13:10:22 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 20:59:22 2015.

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To this day, you never take any photos because you're too much of a coward

False, there are 1,028 of my pictures on www.nycsubway.org.


BTW: Here is one of my best.



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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 26 13:13:22 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:08:14 2015.

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You can't act like an asshole to someone and then complain they "don't know how to be nice." Morality is based on reciprocityó act like a dick to people and most of them will return the favour.

Wow, that may be the smartest thing you've ever said, except that it applies to you and you don't know it.


Wow, truer words can't be spoken!!

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:14:26 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 26 13:13:22 2015.

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:)

thanks

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 14:46:25 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Wed Mar 25 17:56:51 2015.

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Considering that Olog thinks we should destroy the entire country and have anarchy, GP Chris thinks we should reinstate segregation, and Gamera thinks we should kill every non-Jew in Palestine

Not only do you lie, you state the exact opposite position of everyone.

Since in one post over in OTChat you said you weren't joking, that makes you a very big asshole.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 14:47:39 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 26 13:13:22 2015.

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Yeah, ain't that funny.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 14:48:13 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Mar 26 13:10:22 2015.

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What's with him stating the exact opposite of reality?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by chud1 on Thu Mar 26 15:26:15 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Mar 26 13:10:22 2015.

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5 drooling stars out of 5 drooling stars for this picture.
chud1.
:).....

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by mcorivervsaf on Thu Mar 26 15:31:56 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Mar 26 13:10:22 2015.

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Whoa! Nice shot!

Sounds like someone just got PWNED...

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:12:20 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by terRAPIN station on Thu Mar 26 13:08:14 2015.

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Because you did, as I said.

Exactly how did I "betray" you? You made up this absurd claim when we met on that one fantrip, and you claimed I already knew. If you ever bothered inventing a reason, you've never shared it.

LOL! I fully explained that! LOL! OMG this is great. So great. He ruined my life!!!!

You "explained" nothing. You made up an absurd claim that I "betrayed" you (but didn't bother to invent a reason why; you just insisted I already knew) and then you made up an absurd claim that Selkirk "ruined your life" (but didn't bother to invent a reason why; you just insisted you already explained).

That was before you betrayed me...

OK, so when did I "betray" you? And how?

... when you still knew how to be nice.

I still do know how to be nice, as everyone who knows how to act like a grown-up can attest.

As I explained, all morality is based on reciprocityó you act like a dick, so people return the favour. I'm always nice by default, but when people act like dicks, I treat them as they deserve.

In the same way as Olog-hai.

Since when have I advocated anarchy?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:14:23 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Thu Mar 26 13:13:22 2015.

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I'm glad you're here, Chrisó that's a lesson you really need to learn.

When you were willing to act like a grown-up, I was perfectly civil towards you. Then, in the immigration thread, I proved a point I was trying to make, and you lacked the maturity to admit you were wrong so you started throwing a tantrum. You've been acting like a child ever since, and I've been talking down to you ever sinceó but the minute you're willing to act like a grown-up again, I will be civil again.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:15:46 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Mar 26 14:46:25 2015.

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Very well then, Olog. If you don't believe in anarchy, then what government would you support?

6. Describe exactly what form of government you would endorse. In more detail than "small." As in, name a few government programs and/or activities that you support.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:18:19 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Thu Mar 26 13:10:22 2015.

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From six years ago? That's the best you could do?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 27 06:38:05 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:14:23 2015.

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First off...saying you are right, doesn't make you right, no matter how may times you state something. and second, you werent right then about immigration and you still aren't now.
Third, you are right about one thing, act like a dick and people will treat you like a dick, and I see no reason to treat you other wide based on the way you ac here.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 07:52:36 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by gp38/r42 chris on Fri Mar 27 06:38:05 2015.

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First off...saying you are right, doesn't make you right, no matter how may times you state something.

Preciselyó a lesson I'm hoping you'll manage to learn one of these days.

and second, you werent right then about immigration and you still aren't now.

You have yet to offer any reasonable argument as to why I'm supposedly wrong. If you have one, feel free to make itó I'm still willing to hear any valid arguments on the subject.

Of course, you don't have one, which is why you threw the tantrum in the first place.

Third, you are right about one thing, act like a dick and people will treat you like a dick

It's a fairly simple principle most people intuitively understand.

You were perfectly civil until that immigration thread, and I was perfectly civil in response. Then, you discovered that you could not dispute my argument and, lacking the maturity to admit you were wrong, change your position, or even leave the thread, you started throwing a tantrum like a spoiled toddler, declaring that anything other than complete agreement with everything you say constitutes "acting like an asshole."

Since you stopped acting like an adult, I stopped treating you like one.

The minute you are prepared to act like an adult again, I will be civil towards you again.

and I see no reason to treat you other wide based on the way you ac here.

OK, I'll bite. Exactly what did I say - prior to the immigration thread - that you consider in any way untoward?

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Mar 27 08:00:17 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 07:52:36 2015.

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I've know Chris for a long time - - he is a genuine man, even though I may disagree politically.

You are a savage beast.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Mar 27 08:01:57 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:14:23 2015.

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When you were willing to act like a grown-up, I was perfectly civil towards you.


You lied that I haven't taken a single picture and you being your cowardly self, told me that's the best I can do with the Co-Op City shot.

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Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!

Posted by Wakefield-241st Street on Fri Mar 27 08:02:44 2015, in response to Re: UNROBBED BY A COPó PROPERTY RECOVERED!, posted by Nilet on Fri Mar 27 00:18:19 2015.

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LOL, trying to cover your lie, coward? Doesn't say anything better abouut your appearance.

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