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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 18:28:05 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 3 18:27:40 2006.

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IAWTP.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 18:29:57 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 3 18:27:40 2006.

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You don't have a proper frame of reference to properly judge just what that kind of grafitti represents. Waxing nostalgically about this stuff is akin to wishing we could go back to the days of burnt out buildings, rampant crime and crack dealers on every corner.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by R30A on Tue Oct 3 18:30:49 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 18:29:57 2006.

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I dont think that the paint is good. I just think that the physical destruction of cars is worse. you can always wash off the grafitti, but the scratches are harder to remove.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by mr_brian on Tue Oct 3 18:34:19 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:21:05 2006.

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It's possible the exif data is inaccurate because the date/time on the camera is inaccurate.

I've taken photos that were ahead by three hours, because I was in California, and I didn't adjust for Pacific Daylight Time. So I ended up having photos that were taken at 1AM when they were really taken at 10PM Pacific Time. Does that mean all the photos I took were fake? That they were all photoshopped?

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:34:23 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 18:24:48 2006.

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There is software available on the Internet that is capable of editing EXIF data, including the date & time stamps. Look at Exifer as an example.

Photoshop isn't the only image editor out there.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by Subterranean Railway on Tue Oct 3 18:35:28 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 18:24:48 2006.

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Not necessarily. I have my copy of Photoshop set to leave EXIF values untouched.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 18:37:15 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by R30A on Tue Oct 3 18:30:49 2006.

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True, but the painted grafitti has a whole unpleasant era connected to it. Today's scrachitti is annoying, but it has no baggage. It's simple vandalism, in no way can a so-called "grafitti artist" use this medium for his work. The subway has had to deal with simple vandalism since day #1.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:42:27 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by mr_brian on Tue Oct 3 18:34:19 2006.

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No. That only means that you had everything set to New York time as opposed to California time. No time zone on Earth is 24 Years ahead of another.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 18:44:34 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by Subterranean Railway on Tue Oct 3 18:35:28 2006.

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Yes, I know it can do that. But R36 #9346 is suggesting that the weird date is indicative of a photoshop manipulation and I don't see why.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 18:45:49 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:42:27 2006.

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So why does an odd date mean the photo was photoshopped?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Oct 3 18:45:56 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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Welcome to the 80s, folks.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:52:52 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 18:45:49 2006.

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Simply to complete the fakery.

Or maybe to obfuscate the actual date and time so as to draw people's attention away from that information.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by R42 4787 on Tue Oct 3 18:53:22 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:52:52 2006.

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The second seems more likely.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Transit Guy on Tue Oct 3 19:12:13 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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Nice tags but its quite a tragedy. However don't these wash off though once they go into the car washes?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 19:19:05 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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I just saw both side of this car and it has been cleaned up, if the posted photo was recent.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by 9 local on Tue Oct 3 19:24:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Wado MP73 on Tue Oct 3 18:16:38 2006.

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or rome

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:24:51 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 19:19:05 2006.

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Was there smudge marks on the car?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by El-Train on Tue Oct 3 19:26:58 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by 9 local on Tue Oct 3 19:24:18 2006.

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Is it true that the R62A's were thrashed shortly after they begun testing on the #1 line way back when? Specifically eh............north of 96th Street?

Dammit, what's with the lack of photos of the West Side line and the system overall during the 1980's?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Clayton on Tue Oct 3 19:31:46 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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Very nice!

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:35:50 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:40:31 2006.

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IAWTP

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 19:36:47 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:24:51 2006.

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I didn't get a good look at the side facing south at GCT, but that side may have. Certainly not the north side, which I photographed.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:38:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:47:08 2006.

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Agreed, but, it is to prevent scores of trains rolling out with graffiti all over them. As beautiful as we 3 think it is, I agree that it should NOT have left the yard if it was tagged while in the yard, and that the person in charge should be disciplined.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:42:05 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:54:46 2006.

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People will still see it as a dirty thing. People are stupid and judgemental.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:45:01 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 19:36:47 2006.

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Alright, if you see it again, please tell me, thanks.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by ALP44 on Tue Oct 3 19:45:22 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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Hmmmm, interesting wildstyle work. But it doesn't work on an R62A. Bring out a mainline redbird and we've got art. Chances are, this set was probably parked on the lay-up at 111 St so they had easy access to get to this car. It's impossible to get inside Corona Yard and do something like this nowadays. That little skit takes at least 45 minutes to an hour to do and in that time, they gotcha in the yard. This one must have been on the lay-up next to the Flushing-bound local tracks where they wouldn't have been noticed.

Until then.....
ALP 44

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:45:29 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:38:30 2006.

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.......Eh......

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:46:18 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:42:05 2006.

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IDAWTP.

"People are stupid and judgemental"

You damn right!

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Canton Viaduct on Tue Oct 3 19:47:10 2006, in response to 7 train tagged in service!, posted by gonzea on Tue Oct 3 17:39:55 2006.

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Very nice. I hope more cars emerge like that one.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by NIMBYkiller on Tue Oct 3 19:51:15 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Canton Viaduct on Tue Oct 3 19:47:10 2006.

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I don't. While I do enjoy seeing that photo, I don't want to see more and more of the fleet fall back into the 80s.

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:56:05 2006, in response to I SMELL A RAT!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:07:45 2006.

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That's not photoshopping.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:56:59 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:43:41 2006.

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Why should they get in trouble for it? Who is it going to hurt when it's in service like that? it brings back the 80's.

Since when is that a good thing?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:57:25 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Oct 3 18:04:21 2006.

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For once, I actually agree with you.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:59:06 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Canton Viaduct on Tue Oct 3 19:47:10 2006.

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Me too.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:59:33 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:56:59 2006.

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Since when did it hurt people?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:59:58 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:40:31 2006.

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Yeah, on a piece of paper rather than a subway car...

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 20:00:35 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 19:59:33 2006.

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It hurt the taxpayers whose money was used to clean it up.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 20:15:28 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 20:00:35 2006.

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But what's the point of cleaning it up if it will be resprayed?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by mambomta on Tue Oct 3 20:21:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 20:15:28 2006.

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But what's the point of cleaning it up if it will be resprayed?

What's the point of washing your clothes if they will just get dirty again?

What's the point of buying new clothes if they will just get as raggeddy as the old ones?

What's the point of taking a shower or bath when you will just get dirty again?

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 20:24:40 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by mambomta on Tue Oct 3 20:21:30 2006.

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Nevermind then..

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Re: I SMELL A RAT!

Posted by Terrapin Station on Tue Oct 3 20:26:00 2006, in response to Re: I SMELL A RAT!, posted by R36 #9346 on Tue Oct 3 18:52:52 2006.

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Simply to complete the fakery.

That's if the author wanted you to know it was fake, and I don't see why that would be the case.

Or maybe to obfuscate the actual date and time so as to draw people's attention away from that information.

Huh? If the author wanted it to seem believable, the date should have been believable...

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 20:26:19 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 20:15:28 2006.

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If a zero-tolerance policy is instituted (as David Gunn did) then it sends the message that respraying isn't worth it.

How many trains do you see today with graffiti? Few or none. That's the result of this policy.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 20:27:24 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 20:26:19 2006.

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Truth. But then the TA should think again before laying-up a train on a structure.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:45:27 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by The Port of Authority on Tue Oct 3 19:59:58 2006.

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Well said.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:46:21 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by monorail on Tue Oct 3 17:52:22 2006.

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No it wasn't better.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:46:41 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 3 17:42:24 2006.

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Agreed there.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:48:33 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Clayton on Tue Oct 3 19:31:46 2006.

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Wow . . . self-hating, and this on top of it.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:49:02 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Transit Guy on Tue Oct 3 19:12:13 2006.

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No such thing as "nice tags".

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:49:30 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by ALP44 on Tue Oct 3 19:45:22 2006.

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Uh, no. None of the above.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:49:54 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by Canton Viaduct on Tue Oct 3 19:47:10 2006.

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You had better not.

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Re: 7 train tagged in service!

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue Oct 3 20:50:37 2006, in response to Re: 7 train tagged in service!, posted by South Brooklyn Railway on Tue Oct 3 17:59:13 2006.

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That's not a great photo. It's great evidence.

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