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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:25:35 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 23:20:04 2006. CRAP, I MISSED ECW! |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:28:00 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 22:17:17 2006. And to think, some people say the the R142 is "too bright".It is! Dark cars are cool. You forgot put in the </railfan> at the beginning of the post. |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Tue Jul 25 23:28:00 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:08:52 2006. That's true. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:28:45 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Brighton Private on Tue Jul 25 22:58:38 2006. I'm not nostalgic to the way the system looked, or nostalgic to the condition of the subway then. The nostalgia probably just is high for those of us that were teenagers because, for me personally, I get some rush of memories coming back when I see those photos. I had SO many good times on those trains, and I guess like most people look fondly on their childhood years, that's probably what makes all of us get a warm feeling of nostalgia come over us when we see those photos. it's not the condition or what the subway was like back then that is nostalgic, it's all the memories that goes along with it (many good ones) that all come back. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:28:47 2006, in response to Re: I meant 1986, not 1989 in above post. Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:21:02 2006. The first totally overhauled train I rode was an R38 on the A in 1987. I thought it was a new car class, and I wondered why there were no door chimes. It took a while to see that it was an older car class, fixed up. Night and day. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:29:55 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 25 23:22:53 2006. As I've been pointing out, that car has it pretty good compared to what some of us on other lines had.The K only ran off-peak. |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:30:52 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:24:10 2006. Anybody ever find themselves on a dark E or R or V train? |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:32:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:15:47 2006. I'm not sure actually. I will probably see hime Thursday, so will ask him. I would assume the "worser" side (the way he describes it), whichever that may be. I was not familiar with that area in that era. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:32:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:28:45 2006. It does bring me back to the days when the system was still a big, unexplored universe. It took me almost a year to finally ride every line at least once (those Bronx IRT lines intimidated me considerably). |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:36:34 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Tue Jul 25 23:20:04 2006. And that song fits in nicely in the era of that train!! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:37:18 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:32:07 2006. It could have been either side, but I'm guessing east. The side streets between Broadway and Amsterdam were quite grungy. (As I said before, they still are a little bit grungy, as is Amsterdam itself.) |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:37:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 22:58:34 2006. Well, that was THEIR version of the R16..... |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:38:24 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:30:52 2006. I've never been on a totally dark train anywhere. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:39:34 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:37:18 2006. If you consider present-day Amsterdam to be grungy, then old-time Amsterdam couldn't really have been that bad. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:39:45 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Brighton Private on Tue Jul 25 23:05:09 2006. And dyslexic too!! |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:40:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:38:24 2006. I'd love to be on a dark train on the B with graffitied windows in the morning. I wake up after Grand and again at Prospect Park. At least put curtains on the windows so we can close them and extend our naps. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:41:07 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:37:29 2006. A far more reliable version. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:41:16 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 25 23:03:37 2006. Why even bother running them at the time. Whose going to use that?Didn't have much choice...it was that or nothing. THAT was the choice of your train. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:41:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:40:25 2006. ...and so that my 'friends' can pick those pockets.... |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:42:13 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:39:34 2006. I'm speaking comparatively. Compared to the other avenues, Amsterdam is grungy. Similarly back then, with everything bumped up a few notches on the grunge scale. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:42:57 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 25 23:03:37 2006. In America, there were actually trains like this.Because we all know that America is the only place where people vandalize trains. That never happens in other countries. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:43:42 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 25 23:22:53 2006. I'd assume some trains were better than others of course.Only the R44-46's, but even they had some degree of graffiti. But, it's covered! Not just in random tags, but all that dirt and grime with no lights. And that was your typical train. If anything, as David said, that is a GOOD train for back then. The non-stainless trains were way worse. I can see most of those people going another way. The trains were very busy rush hours, so people rode....they had to. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:43:53 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by orange blossom special on Tue Jul 25 23:22:53 2006. I'd assume some trains were better than others of course.Only the R44-46's, but even they had some degree of graffiti. But, it's covered! Not just in random tags, but all that dirt and grime with no lights. And that was your typical train. If anything, as David said, that is a GOOD train for back then. The non-stainless trains were way worse. I can see most of those people going another way. The trains were very busy rush hours, so people rode....they had to. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:44:24 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:42:57 2006. Some European transit systems seem to have mid-1980's type grafitti problems today. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:47:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:43:42 2006. Why were the R44/46 maintained so much better than the rest? |
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Posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:48:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:44:24 2006. I know. Orange Blossom Special doesn't seem to think so. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:49:12 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:32:12 2006. I gotta get up early, so it is hard to leave this thread....but man, that is so true. I actually didn't get to the whole entire system until 1991. I did the Bronx els with my cousin or friend. It was lots of fun, but back then, the Bronx els were still a little intimidating. It still was the late 80's, and the full effect of "cleaned up New York" hadn't really begun yet. |
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Posted by New Brunswick Station on Tue Jul 25 23:50:58 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 21:14:58 2006. I was a little kid. I liked it. My parents didn't. m |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:51:29 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by David of Broadway on Tue Jul 25 23:37:18 2006. He was definitely on a side street. I am not even exactly sure if he told me 92nd...but it's definitely a 90-something. I believe he said 92nd. I will ask him. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Jul 25 23:54:23 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 19:12:07 2006. The K jobs were at least 9:50 with 5 trips; 3 8th Avenues and 2 on Ave of Americas. I always hoped for a JFK or a CC instead on the sheets |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:54:31 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 23:44:24 2006. Yes, many of those countries even have come to New York to learn how they eradicated it.There are many cities today that have a plague on their systems as bad as New York had in the 70's and 80's. |
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Posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 25 23:55:58 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Jul 25 21:39:19 2006. what line did that last train run on? |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 23:57:59 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by BLE-NIMX on Tue Jul 25 23:54:23 2006. Were they still doing AM/PM when you came in? Now THAT truly chewed the biscuit - 6 hours to twiddle your thumbs between reports and 10 hours on the other side of it. Not much of a life. :( |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:00:00 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by R384149 on Tue Jul 25 23:55:58 2006. I think the C, but don't quote me on that. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:00:25 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:43:42 2006. Back then, you used the system only when you had to. Weekend and night time ridership was probably a lot less back then. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:03:27 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Tue Jul 25 23:47:25 2006. I never saw them with grafitti. In fact, I never saw anything from Jamaica sporting grafitti. Queens Blvd really stood out from the rest of the system. When the N and R swapped northern terminals (and fleets) in May of 1987, R riders instantly went from having some of the worst cars to sme of the best. The N line went the other way. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 00:04:51 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Tue Jul 25 23:57:59 2006. Straight jobs no splits except yard switches. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:04:53 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:03:27 2006. What cars were on Queens Blvd?I thought R44/46 were in CI at that time? |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:05:10 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:54:31 2006. I've heard it's a problem in London. On the History Channel, I saw a streetcar in Rome pass thru an ancient arch....absolutley plastered with it. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:07:11 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Tue Jul 25 23:49:12 2006. You were fortunate. Since I thought I was the only person on the planet who liked subways at that time, I didn't share it with others. I did my explorations alone. |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 26 00:07:14 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 00:04:51 2006. Heh. Sometimes ya gotta split wood for the fire. :)I heard they did away with the splits somewhere around 1972 through 1974, was trying to figure out when. There were at least six jobs at Stillwell that were splits when I came in ... and I went for them because they weren't sitting the board which was truly undesireable at the time. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:09:04 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:03:27 2006. I saw them with some, but they were like the "showcase" trains. And the Broadway line was probably the "showcase" line....if there was a such thing. What I mean by that is that they looked the best. As bad as that refrigerator tile may have seemed in the 90's, it was so neat and clean (and modern) on the Broadway line, when the whole system was an old fashioned wreck of a system.I would often take the L on our crap filthy dusgusting trains to Union Square with my father as a kid, and then get the N there. I always thought, "this is the line the 'special' people must ride because they had the nice trains and stations. 49th may look outdated and "Brady Bunch" today, but back then, it may have been the shining star station of the system. When the N and R swapped northern terminals (and fleets) in May of 1987 Yup, the N in the 70's was one of the few clean lines, in general, at least the trains. Although they did get some graffiti, it wasn't like all the other trains. As for your May 1987 comment, that's also true for the M line. The M seemed to go from bad to worse when it was thown off the Brighton and onto the West End back then, at least until the GOHed R42's began to arrive. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:09:15 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:07:11 2006. I thought I was the only person on the planet who liked subways at that timeYou too eh? Although in 6th grade, I found someone else who was mildly enthused about the subway. Then there was an NYT article about Paul Matus' website. It had a link to nycsubway.org. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:10:44 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:09:04 2006. 49th may look outdated and "Brady Bunch" todayI don't think 49th looks outdated. I think it looks just fine the way it is. |
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Posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:13:03 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:10:44 2006. I'm not knocking 49th at all....I hope them never restore the mosaics there (and hearing that from me is saying a lot).I am one of the people who actually like 49th St. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:15:28 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by GP38/R42 Chris on Wed Jul 26 00:00:00 2006. That sounds right. When Archer Ave. opened up, grafittied R27's were quickly removed from East New York. The redbirds lasted about another year before they too were gone....to the C line. |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Wed Jul 26 00:19:38 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by SelkirkTMO on Wed Jul 26 00:07:14 2006. The best "split jobs" I worked when I came out was the road Canarsie car wash jobs. AM markup at Canarsie, two trips to 8th Avenue, TC to CIY, wash and wax with the hour of dryout time, back to Canarsie lunch and the last trip. Nice compared to a 5 tripper with no pee pee time. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:21:18 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:04:53 2006. No. Starting in 1984/5, Jamaica had the same cars it does today, all R46's and R32's. Prior to GOH, all R32's ran on the G and N (later) R lines only. Anything before 1984 is before my time. 1987 did see some ODD assignments. For about 2 months starting after Labor Day, many R46's ran on the N to Astoria. A couple of redbird R30's were assigned to the R line in Queens (the only time I ever saw them used in 10 car consists). Some R68's were even used on the F. |
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:23:35 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:10:44 2006. I used to say the same about Wall St. on the Lex. Then I recently got a look at what they buried under that shiny blue brick. Ugh! That station was beautiful. |
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Posted by J trainloco on Wed Jul 26 00:24:33 2006, in response to Re: Pic: blast from the past, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Wed Jul 26 00:21:18 2006. How about before '84/'85? |
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