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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 02:38:41 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 23:18:27 2006. Yards have no track zones but hardware fixed trips so you may be correct but many blocks don't even have that! I'm thinking the run o block at Grand Central (shuttle) a few months ago. |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 02:43:12 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by North-Easten T/O on Wed Jun 21 17:39:19 2006. Does R143 have 'car wash mode' like MNCR M7s? |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 02:53:58 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Goumba Tony on Wed Jun 21 23:11:16 2006. Scary. I'm doing inspection on MNCR 4016/4017 and wonder how long I can do a undercar run-about because the trainset has no deadman...just an alerter which must be responded to otherwise trainset dumps BIE. M7 Periodic Inspection manual asks for a lot of tests but MNCR papers don't ask for individual truck/brake panel test.....just full service/min brake/max brake/BIE. I'm happy doing what I know best as a CI. RRCI Peter |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Jeff H. on Thu Jun 22 04:48:48 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by egis semaly on Wed Jun 21 16:17:53 2006. Is CBTC operational on that track? |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Thu Jun 22 07:03:01 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Jeff H. on Thu Jun 22 04:48:48 2006. no |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by H.S.Relay on Thu Jun 22 07:04:00 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by David of Broadway on Wed Jun 21 16:18:56 2006. Summplemented by an operational rule about yard speed. |
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50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 08:11:27 2006, in response to PHOTOS - 56K Friendly Version Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Wed Jun 21 21:09:50 2006. Is that "C"ollision "B"ased "T"rain "C"arnage? |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 08:41:30 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 02:43:12 2006. No, that would be something with CBTC Yard Mode when it gose into effect. It would limted the train to 10mph so if the track in the yard they use is for the wast then that track could be set for no more then 3mph.Robert |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by SUBWAYMAN on Thu Jun 22 09:07:37 2006, in response to 50 Days without an accident, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 08:11:27 2006. No. |
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Re: PHOTOS - 56K Friendly Version Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by R30A on Thu Jun 22 09:17:08 2006, in response to Re: PHOTOS - 56K Friendly Version Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 22:20:07 2006. How does that make them not operable? |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 09:26:46 2006, in response to 50 Days without an accident, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 08:11:27 2006. The train WAS NOT IN CBTC mode the yard IS NOT ready yet. If it was the train would have stopped train way before the block.Robert |
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Re: 49 Days without an accident |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 09:28:35 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 09:26:46 2006. Thats the third accident (Bumbping block at 14-8th, the switch derailment and this in over a year. Whats in the drinking water there? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 09:32:17 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 09:26:46 2006. Yeah Robert that Larry Line seems to be jinxed for some reason... |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by tydev417 on Thu Jun 22 10:20:44 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 09:32:17 2006. That's exactly what I said, the R143s are becoming crash test dummies on the line. |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 10:57:10 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 09:32:17 2006. Don't say that I on the L on Mondays and Tuesdays. As for the last one the T/O was at fault. The one over the switch leaving the yard, the T/O was in CBTC Bypass since he/she was not CBTC quilfied at the time and was doing 18mph over the switch. This the T/O got sick and lost controll of the train. He won't be a T/O much longer since have a seizure will most licky disquife him. The one at 8ave was not the T/O fault, the train took power while he was brkeing the train, at that time CBTC was not working in this zone.Robert |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 11:09:45 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Allan on Wed Jun 21 16:07:55 2006. Glad to hear everyone survived!I made comments back in December of 2001 when I got to operate 8101-8108 prior to delivery and made numerous comments about the absolutely stupid location of the controller handle - the way it's nestled into the window the way it is. I had concerns too about what would happen if a motorpeople were to slump over against the window and that _appears_ to be precisely what happened here. And while I don't know what KIND of seizure the person had, I've seen enough situations where the right hand will tend to clench as the person slumps over and the way the handle is designed, that move will result directly in "zoom-zoom-zoom" the way it's designed. :( And now, years later we undertsnad WHY the handle location was an afterthought since some day, it will be removed when the motorpeople are replaced by "Windows Train." But the location chosen is a downright awful place to have to try to run a train, and now appears to be DANGEROUS as well. :( I'm glad nobody got killed. |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today(I had this train on Tuesday) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 11:10:42 2006, in response to Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 14:41:01 2006. I just looked at my note book and I had this car on my last train from 8Ave-14St on the 20:16. Dame now that close.Robert |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 11:13:15 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 11:09:45 2006. I hope the three employees make it out of the hospital OK too. This will not change. How many years did Reuter say it will take to clean this up? |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by monorail on Thu Jun 22 11:26:19 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 23:18:27 2006. Now all the supts will be getting together to figure out a way to prevent this from happening again.although expensive, add a timer to each yard track 30' or so from the bumper block but should a t/o hit this signal, no action is to be taken against the t/o unless of course, they now want 2 people in the t/o cab as it approaches the block then should the train hit the block they have a scapegoat unless they both suffer seizures |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 11:31:26 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 11:13:15 2006. Same here ... just trying to find out now ... as to Reuter, I suspect it will be cleaned up sooner than 3-5 years. :)But if you've ever did handle on 143's, the location and the way it works scared the hell out of me - and my arm went numb after only a few stops. Definitely not what this "two-fisted" operator prefers at all. :( |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 11:44:59 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 11:31:26 2006. I did handle time on #1s, #4s, and #3s. I also did some handle time on 8277 in C service. Kaliko won't leave and take Reuter to the gutter. 18 years with a steel handle and no carpal tunnel. I'm not looking forward to new Kamakazi cars anytime soon. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 11:49:43 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by monorail on Thu Jun 22 11:26:19 2006. Just have CBTC Yard Mode running in the yard, there would be no way the train could get above 10mph and the train would have been going no more then 1mph by time it got to the block and would have stoped by it self before hitting it.Robert |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 11:51:52 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by monorail on Thu Jun 22 11:26:19 2006. Now all the supts will be getting together to figure out a way to prevent this from happening again.Another RTO charge for the L supt. HAHA If they had kept C/Rs on the layups, that may not have happened. Maybe they can move the fixed trips back like they did at Rockaway Park if they are willing to sacrifice storage. 30 feet of tripping distance is more than enough to get the train back to 15 MPH and do it again. One idea would be to have the hand switchman remotely control the stop arms with a panic button in the shack or remote control to trip movements within the yard tracks if speeds are exceeded or a switch is split. Plenty of good ideas coming but they will insist on keeping the workforce out of the control picture |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 11:52:53 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 10:57:10 2006. 18 mph over a switch? in the Yard? Does that T/O still have her handles?If something like that happened over here in the A Div i know the one in charge will make sure that T/O wont be in front again... |
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Posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jun 22 11:53:24 2006, in response to Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 14:41:01 2006. Passed by there again today. The train is back on the tracks, but there is now a property protection agent stationed there, because the fence is gone. There appeared to be investigators looking over the train.Now knowing the NYCTA, how long will it be before a new fence is put back up? (The ivy can't be replaced as fast though.) |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 11:54:41 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 11:09:45 2006. Same here Selkirk just think if something happened like this on the mainline in Non-CBTC territory.Then again is the Entire Mianline on the Larry CBTC Controlled? |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 11:55:40 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by AMoreira81 on Thu Jun 22 11:53:24 2006. With those multi-million dollar trains right there? Wont be long, shouldnt be long.. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 12:28:53 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 11:44:59 2006. All depends on where they put the handles I s'pose ... was looking for any shots of the cab and couldn't find any. I will say this about the Kawas though - nice and smooth, the seats you can drop off to sleep in rather easily and the A/C was nice. Certainly not your father's R10. :) |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 12:30:09 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 11:54:41 2006. I believe it's just sections. And I was surprised to hear they're planning to put the yards under it. I guess the trains will put themselves to bed some day. Heh. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 12:39:18 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 12:30:09 2006. Well i do admit this is a perfect example where CBTC whould have helped BIG Time.We all know that T/O wont see another operating Cab again which is sad but hes lucky to be alive. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 12:46:20 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 12:39:18 2006. Agreed ... still though, that handle design sure didn't help things any. :(And yeah, having a seizure is definitely an issue for the Medical Dept. :( |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by NIMBYkiller on Thu Jun 22 14:59:43 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 02:43:12 2006. Hey, the LIRR M7s have em too. It's called toilet overflow |
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Re: 50 Days without an accident |
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Posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jun 22 20:01:50 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by North-Easten T/O on Thu Jun 22 10:57:10 2006. Why didn't the dead man work?ALl for the investigation types to find out. Did the sesiure cause the T/O to clench the controller and keep the top twisted so it didn't go BIE? |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 20:55:51 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 12:46:20 2006. M7s don't fare better lacking a deadman. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 22 20:58:48 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Railman718 on Thu Jun 22 12:39:18 2006. Yup..he's done as a T.O.Now he could "possibly" go back to being a CR. |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 21:00:04 2006, in response to Re: 50 Days without an accident, posted by Lou from Brooklyn on Thu Jun 22 20:01:50 2006. Has happened before. T/O clenches handle and collapses ontop. M7s depend upon ATC and alerter. RRCI Peter |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 21:04:07 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 20:55:51 2006. The way the 143 controller works though, next best thing to no deadman. If you're going to slump against the window, you're going to keep the T from twirling as you push it to "full power" as you fall forward. VERY bad design. First thing I noticed when I went to run one. :( |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 22 21:06:44 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 21:04:07 2006. I gather pretty soon..that T-STICK's gonna be the thing of the past...? |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 21:11:16 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Railman718 on Wed Jun 21 16:31:08 2006. Very very true. RRCI Peter |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 21:16:38 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by egis semaly on Wed Jun 21 16:17:53 2006. Same as block accident on the shuttle at Grand Central where R62 climbed block....trip into BIE was not enough. RRCI Peter |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 21:27:51 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 22 21:06:44 2006. Once Windows VISTA gets released, I s'pose ... :-\ |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by Wayne-MrSlantR40 on Thu Jun 22 22:33:26 2006, in response to Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by AMoreira81 on Wed Jun 21 14:41:01 2006. That's an ouch for sure. Did the car knockers get a look under the anticlimber to see what's damaged? Doesn't look like much body damage but you can't tell what's underneath from the photos.wayne |
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Re: 49 Days without an accident |
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Posted by Eric B on Thu Jun 22 23:13:05 2006, in response to Re: 49 Days without an accident, posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 09:28:35 2006. I didn't even know about this until tonight. I saw a picture cut out of the paper and pinned up at Stillwell when leaving for the day, doubled back to get a glimpse of it, but still thought it was that last derailment. It was when I got home and received a picture in an e-mail, I realized this was a new incident. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 23:36:12 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 21:04:07 2006. M7 is reverse....drag towards yourself for full power. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 23:39:01 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 23:36:12 2006. Encouraging a brick wall stop is far better than hitting a brick wall. :( |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 23:42:08 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by tracksionmotor on Thu Jun 22 20:55:51 2006. M7s do fare much better Peter. They have a conductor if the train skips a station and cab signalling if the engineer slumps over and the C/R isn't failsafe. Kevin is ready with that brick wall. |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by L Train on Thu Jun 22 23:45:12 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by The Maven on Wed Jun 21 16:47:02 2006. I'm sure John Liu will still find a way to blame CBTC for the accident. |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 23:55:43 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by BLE-NIMX on Thu Jun 22 23:42:08 2006. Well ... no ... not quite. It's REALLY Garden State Brickface and stucco on particle board. But even your hairdresser won't know for sure until you've hit the blind trip. :) |
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Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today |
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Posted by SelkirkTMO on Thu Jun 22 23:57:23 2006, in response to Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today, posted by L Train on Thu Jun 22 23:45:12 2006. If he understood how the controller was designed, he'd have a field day. In all seriousness though, that should SERIOUSLY be looked into. :( |
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Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today) |
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Posted by Railman718 on Fri Jun 23 00:36:43 2006, in response to Re: T/O Had a Seizure (Was Re: Accident in Canarsie Yard earlier today), posted by Edwards! on Thu Jun 22 20:58:48 2006. Nope dont think so such "safety sensetitve titles" if the MTA can help it he wont see again...Now maybe property protection is a "possibilty"... |
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