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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005 For a time, my girlfriend would rat on me for being autistic. Sort of like what Ron is doing now to some railbuffs here. Everything I did would somehow be interpreted as an autistic behaviour -- like for example, we went out for dinner, let's say I get a steak, and I would separate the food into components first: carrots, broccoli, steak, mash potato, and other trimmings. Then I would eat my food in sequence: first the carrots, because that is my least favourite part of a steak dinner, then the broccoli, and then I would eat the mashed potato and the steak, but in strictly interleaved ratio -- one part potato, two parts steak. She would interpret this as signs of autism and would force me to eat things all mixed up and out of sequence. But I prefer to eat things in sequence.It seems to me that some medical types like to classify people the same way that railbuffs like to classify equipment. If someone displays a behaviour tendency, then they automatically go into a "bucket". Like how E-7's, E-9's, F-8's are in one bucket, F-40's are in one bucket, and SD-40, SD-45, GP-38's are in another bucket. So autistic people are in one bucket, schizophrenic people are in one bucket, and depressed people are in one bucket. But in reality, as research over the past 40 years have demonstrated, there is such as thing as an "autistic spectrum". To a point, everyone display behavioural traits that can be considered autistic spectrum. However, not many people display ALL of the autistic traits, and have those traits so strongly that it prevents them from functioning in a society. Also, some of these autistic spectrum behaviours overlap with behaviour patterns of people with other types of psychological disorders, for example Tourette's spectrum or obsessive-compulsive disorder spectrum behaviours. Just because someone displays ONE aspect of the autistic spectrum disorder does not mean they are autistic. DSM-V in fact has a multi-point diagnostic criteria, and IIRC four our of nine major criteria needs to be satisified before someone could be clinically diagnosed as "autistic". I am guessing most people on this board do not in fact fulfill 4 out of 9 of the major criteria. AEM7AC, B.A. Hons (Psych.) |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 21:29:13 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. Yes, everyone's a little crazy, like you said. But unlike Ron, I do not believe that most railfans are "autistic" to the point where it affects how they function in society. Only some are. |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 21:52:57 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. I don't think it's autism per say but there is a medical condition called asper something syndrome that effects railbuffs like Darius Mccollum. I took a self test for this sysndrome and according to the web site I had some symptoms of it, including the urge to kill people called Terrapin. Go figure!The separating of vegatables and having to do things in a order or a number of times is OCD. The good thing is they're are medications for these creeps. I remember when I volunteered at Shoreline we had a mental defective called "Headlights" who rocked back and forth as the trolley car proceeded down the route. When I was operating with him I would ask him if he wanted to stop for a bathroom break. After the trip he would ramble on and on about taking a trip on Amtrak to Philly and then riding the media trolleys and having lunch in Center City. I'd asked myself where does he get money from? Where does Saalam Ali get money from? |
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Posted by MCD4x4 on Mon Dec 26 21:55:55 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 21:52:57 2005. Here we go. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 21:56:52 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 21:52:57 2005. I hope you act on the urge so that you can fail miserably and go to jail. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 21:57:20 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. Take the Aspergers test and see. IIRC you have to add up your own score due to a program error. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:02:25 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 21:52:57 2005. I don't think it's autism per say but there is a medical condition called asper something syndrome that effects railbuffs like Darius Mccollum.Asperger's Syndrome is an autism spectrum disorder, generally referred to as "high functioning autism" although it has its specific diagnostic criteria and different symptoms associated with it. Generally autism is accompanied by mental retardation while Asperger's patients tend to have normal to high IQ. The separating of vegatables and having to do things in a order or a number of times is OCD. Remember I said autism spectrum have behaviour traits that coincides with OCD-spectrum traits? I remember when I volunteered at Shoreline we had a mental defective called "Headlights" who rocked back and forth as the trolley car proceeded down the route. This repetitive behaviour pattern, sometimes referred to as "stimming", is a classic manifestation of autism spectrum disorders. Finally, autism often involves what is known as stereotypy or self-stimulatory behavior, defined as “repetitive body movements or repetitive movement of objects (6).” This type of behavior can involve any of the senses, and includes things like hand-flapping, tapping ears, scratching, rocking back and forth, smelling objects, placing body parts or objects in one’s mouth, or making repetitive vocal sounds. Theories again reference the distortion of sensory input typical to autism, suggesting that this type of behavior is due to hyper or hyposensitivity. A hypersensitive person uses these behaviors to calm himself from the sensory overload, while a hyposensitive person uses them because she craves stimulation. These behaviors are thought to release endogenous beta-endorphins, which induce feelings of pleasure (6).Source: http://serendip.brynmawr.edu/bb/neuro/neuro99/web2/Tucker.html AEM7AC |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 22:06:42 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:02:25 2005. Thanks for the techical information!I have a neighbor who has a 13 year old girl with autism. She behaves and speaks normally and then all of a sudden she'll go into screaming and yelling fits and its very sad. I have a German Shepherd who pretty much gets along with all my neighbors but when she starts having those attacks it makes him very upset and he goes berserk pulling me towards her to attack her, so her parents understand and take in back into the house. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:11:06 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 22:06:42 2005. She behaves and speaks normally and then all of a sudden she'll go into screaming and yelling fits and its very sad.Classic autism behaviour pattern. What is happening is that the child is unable to express in words what she is feeling or thinking, and is becoming frustrated, so she is yelling and screaming like a little baby. The good thing about it is that this can be worked on by intensive intervention, essentially giving negative reinforcers for yelling type behaviour and positive reinforcers when she calms down and figures out how to communicate what she wants. The problem is that the need for reinforcement is constant and if someone drops the ball just for a few months, the child easily regresses. I mean to say google for more info about "stimming" in the earlier post, but forgot. So here it is. AEM7AC |
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Posted by American Pig on Mon Dec 26 22:17:23 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 21:56:52 2005. Hah! Attempted murder? Now honestly, what is that? Do they give a Nobel prize for attempted chemistry? Do they? |
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Posted by General Overhaul on Mon Dec 26 22:24:52 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. God forbid that's the case. It'll make me think twice the next time I attend a gathering. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:26:43 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by General Overhaul on Mon Dec 26 22:24:52 2005. Yes, always think twice. I hope you decide to come. But if you decide not to come, then that's your loss and our gain, since there's more room at the railfan window for us. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:38:47 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. "For a time, my girlfriend would rat on me for being autistic. Sort of like what Ron is doing now to some railbuffs here. Everything I did would somehow be interpreted as an autistic behaviour -- like for example, we went out for dinner, let's say I get a steak, and I would separate the food into components first: carrots, broccoli, steak, mash potato, and other trimmings. Then I would eat my food in sequence: first the carrots, because that is my least favourite part of a steak dinner, then the broccoli, and then I would eat the mashed potato and the steak, but in strictly interleaved ratio -- one part potato, two parts steak. She would interpret this as signs of autism and would force me to eat things all mixed up and out of sequence. But I prefer to eat things in sequence."That's not autism per se, but it can be one symptom of it. Just because you do that does not make you autistic. However, if you cannot bear to be torn from your routine - if you become violent and desperate in your attempts to restore order to your plate and cannot eat until this is accomplished, then that would be a source of concern. "But in reality, as research over the past 40 years have demonstrated, there is such as thing as an "autistic spectrum". To a point, everyone display behavioural traits that can be considered autistic spectrum. However, not many people display ALL of the autistic traits, and have those traits so strongly that it prevents them from functioning in a society. Also, some of these autistic spectrum behaviours overlap with behaviour patterns of people with other types of psychological disorders, for example Tourette's spectrum or obsessive-compulsive disorder spectrum behaviours." Agreed! My focus is on the inability of certain (not all) railbuffs to interface with people effectively. Someone with autism or aspergers may focus intensely on a task or activity and fail to acknowledge anyone around him or her - pushing people anxiously out of the way of a camera at the front train window, perseverating on one topic and being unable to change it, engaging in perseveration....railfanning is an activity which by its nature is solitary (you can do it in groups, but you can do it completely by yourself and not say a word to anyone else) and so you'd expect to see someone doing it who would have great difficulty engaging in a team sport or ballroom dancing, where you have to pay attention to what other people are doing and read their cues. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:42:31 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:38:47 2005. My focus is on the inability of certain (not all) railbuffs to interface with people effectively. Someone with autism or aspergers may focus intensely on a task or activity and fail to acknowledge anyone around him or her - pushing people anxiously out of the way of a camera at the front train window, perseverating on one topic and being unable to change it, engaging in perseveration....And since you've never seen anyone here doing any one of those things, you should STFU. You also badly need to learn how to spell, how to type, or how to install and use a spell checker. Your posts make you out to be some kind of uneducated country bumpkin, which I know is not totally true. |
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Posted by heypaul on Mon Dec 26 22:44:56 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:38:47 2005. "railfanning is an activity which by its nature is solitary (you can do it in groups, but you can do it completely by yourself and not say a word to anyone else)" I suppose you're all familiar with George Tooker's famous painting of a group of railfans waiting to board The Nostalgia Special. _Tooker_The_Subway.jpg) I've zoomed in. That's me on the right side. 
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Posted by General Overhaul on Mon Dec 26 22:45:03 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:26:43 2005. I'll survive, Brian. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:46:00 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:42:31 2005. You also badly need to learn how to spell, how to type, or how to install and use a spell checker. Your posts make you out to be some kind of uneducated country bumpkin, which I know is not totally true.O.K., so if you no it isn't trrue, fwhy not give Ron the benifit of the doutt & just stopp makking phun of & pikking on his speeling? For godnesss sack this is a weboard not some kind ov finall repport that you is doing for Mr. Govennor. AEM7DC |
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Posted by David of Broadway on Mon Dec 26 22:47:13 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by heypaul on Mon Dec 26 22:44:56 2005. Ah, yes, that's the staircase down to the middle platform at 59. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:48:36 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Mon Dec 26 22:06:42 2005. Yur German Shepherd is reacting the way any adult dog would react to this. He wants to discipline the child - if it were a puppy, the puppy would instinctively quiet down once the adult bites down lightly. A human child struggles more - so the dog could end up killing the child accidentally. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:49:45 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:46:00 2005. Why do you love Ron so much? Is it because he's never demeaned you yet? Well I hope he does so soon, so that you will understand what the rest of us already know.Or, you could just read what has been going on between Ron and Chris. You can see how Chris is right, and Ron is just being a pompous @$$. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:49:48 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:11:06 2005. Your external description is correct except that it is much more than a communication disorder. Autism represents a complex cognitive processing problem which is multifactorial and probably involves multiple genes. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 22:51:44 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:48:36 2005. LOL. Is there any topic that you're not an expert on? |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:51:51 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:48:36 2005. The dog should be brought inside, not the child. The child has more of a right to be outside than the dog. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:56:09 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:49:45 2005. Why do you love Ron so much? Is it because he's never demeaned you yet?Ron tried to once, in the early days of Subtalk, before you were even a twinkle in your mom's eye (O.K., not quite so long ago, I am exaggerating, Ron-style.) Then I pounded my yet-unfinished-degree over his head. Then the two of us learned to respect each other: me a transit planning professional, and him a doctor. My talking about autism is really his domain. Ron and I have this continuing beef about ADA compliance, with me thinking it is mostly a waste of resources and the money could be better spent improving transit service for able-bodied people who actually use it, while Ron feels ADA compliance is something that a civilized society must have, regardless of the monetary and social cost. However, I am pro SOME ADA improvements... like the elevators that makes life easier for us able bodied people with large heavy suitcases. Like another poster said earlier, Ron can be stubborn sometimes, but he's not stupid, and he's a good scientist -- he demands analytical PROFF, sometimes in a brash style. I think you are very knowledgable and articulate... it would help if you let things go when others are clearly being brainless and stubborn. All of us are that way on some days. AEM7AC |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:58:13 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:46:00 2005. Broian: "And since you've never seen anyone here doing any one of those things"False statement. I have, and so have my friends. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:00:13 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 22:56:09 2005. "My talking about autism is really his domain"False! It is your domain as much as it is mine since you choose to pursue it seriously. Youare not licensed to treat patients, but your serious inquiry has been of benefit to me and I thank you. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:01:06 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by heypaul on Mon Dec 26 22:44:56 2005. :0) Great artwork. |
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Posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 23:02:46 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 22:58:13 2005. BroianWho? I have Proff? Examples? Stories? Anecdotes? and so have my friends SHENS! You don't have any friends here. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:06:02 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 22:51:51 2005. I agree with you there. It is the dog owner's responsibility to prevent the dog from harming the child. |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:07:09 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 22:51:44 2005. It's easy enough to look that one up. If you think you need to be an expert to understand why dogs bite small children, you must have a low opinion of experts. |
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Posted by BMTLines on Mon Dec 26 23:18:14 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. Then I would eat my food in sequence: first the carrots, because that is my least favourite part of a steak dinner, then the broccoli, and then I would eat the mashed potato and the steak, but in strictly interleaved ratio -- one part potato, two parts steak. She would interpret this as signs of autism and would force me to eat things all mixed up and out of sequence. But I prefer to eat things in sequence.I tend to do that but only that I get the least favorite food out of the way first. I also eat anything I don't like as much (like salad or veggies) very fast, virtually swallowing it whole if I can. I then slow down and savor the taste of the steak and potatoes.. At the end of the meal I want to be left with only the memory and taste of my favorite foods and veggies ain't it;-) BTW If I really do dislike something I don't even do that - I just leave it to the side and dump it later. |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 23:18:43 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:07:09 2005. There are lots of reasons why dogs bite small children. You gave only one possible explanation and presented it as fact. Why would you think that an adult dog would consider a 13yo a small child? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:21:37 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 23:18:43 2005. Depends on the relative size of the dog vs. child.You are right in that there are other reasons. Given the circumstances described in the post, the explanation I gave is the most likely one. But dogs can attack because they are hungry, because they are defending their pups, or because the child has injured the dog (pulled on tail etc.) |
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Posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 23:28:35 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:21:37 2005. I'd always heard that the No.1 reason that dogs attack is defending their territory. We get confused because they don't arbitrarily define their territory as ending at the fenceline like we might. Also dogs and people interpret body language differently. The dog could easily interpret the child as a threat. |
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Posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Dec 26 23:29:53 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. Oh God not this shit again! |
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Yes, some of railfans are affected by Asperger's Syndrome. |
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Posted by tramrunner on Mon Dec 26 23:32:39 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by MCD4x4 on Mon Dec 26 21:55:55 2005. bi-weekly (every 2nd sunday) I work as a computer Literacy tutor, for mentaly retarted yong people. There are some people with Asperger's ... who realy love trains. They also remember their childhood day-by-day.Aspergers people have also hardship of passign Job Iinterview, and social behavior hardships. .................................................................. I DONT think that ALL railfans are Aspergers. Quiet Not! I know personally that some of my railfriend are APPARENTLY NOT aspergers. Living in x_USSR, before 1992 - no one knew what is that. There I was very healthy (as I am now) So healthy, that I was thinking of my school 99% of time. Yet, I was slightly autistic to say about my transit hobby. WHY? I was afraid that I will hear "DO YOUR HOMEWORK, Trains are for Motormen!" Yet, my parents would never do it. ------------------------------------------------------------------ The reason why I interested in Board Numbers is stated here: http://www.dgmaestro.com/tram/OdessaT3/numberingHobby.htm HOwever, let me bring a live-example: I always paid attention to the sounds of pneumatic doors. Since 1985 most of the trams in my city (Odessa, Ukraine) were/are 100% electromechanic. SOme of the trolleybuses have pneumatic doors. ALl UMZ-1/2, and some ZIU-9. My attention to pneumatic doors strengthed my attention to number. I knew that all trolleybuses with numbers 686..699 and 855...867, 2001... and up are such! Buses: The door sounds of Ikarus, and LIAZ buses, running on CITY LINE was very usual for me. But on such buses as LAZ, Newer Ikarus, I traveled much rarely. THey were running along suburban lines, (where I spent my every summer) TIll now, I remember that the back door of a LAZ bus with 67-58oeg "plate number" sounded very unusual for me. The only time I rode it - was on Julne 21, 1990. While 54-23 sounded fine. LAZ buses came in two version. One with simply cushioned seats (they had pneumatic doors) Another: with reclinable seats, and MANUALLY operated door (right to driver) just one instead of two THeir faces were absolutely alike. So the number could the only clue. 25-30 was such. NO I was not afraid of Pneumatic doors. I just paid great attention to them. Another example: AC locos had pneumatic switches, DC locos did not. I came up with such a conclusions already in America, after seeng EuroRailFan.net.... (in 1998) WHY all the places where I heared pneumatic switch sounds, correspond to RRs electrified on AC. (Odessa, Kiev, .... ) where I did not hear such sound ... to DC (MOscow, St Petersburg, etc) |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:32:49 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Easy on Mon Dec 26 23:28:35 2005. Yes, those are also reasons. And the child could have been a threat - but the dog was a German Shepherd. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 23:33:11 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by R7 Torresdale Express on Mon Dec 26 23:29:53 2005. Oh God not this shit again!I don't see any faeces. Do you? In case you don't know what faeces are:  None of that in that post. AEM7AC |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:33:26 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 21:29:13 2005. You are correct. Only some are. 8-) |
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Posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Dec 27 00:06:58 2005, in response to Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Mon Dec 26 21:23:23 2005. The food behaviors sound more like OCD to me. About 0.5% of the American population has OCD. It's not really a bad thing and can usually be easily treated with medications such as Zoloft and Prozac. |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:10:17 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by ALSTOM R160A on Tue Dec 27 00:06:58 2005. can usually be easily treated with medications such as Zoloft and Prozac.As a psychologist (and not a psychiatrist), I don't believe in treatment of psychological conditions with medication, except in the cases where the patient's functioning is severely hampered by a condition, from which the patient seeks relief, and for which cognitive-behavioural therapies have not proved responsive. AEM7AC |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 27 00:28:13 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:10:17 2005. ADHD is one such example. Medication plus behavioral therapy helps a lot but if you yank the medicine you don't do so well... |
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Posted by tramrunner on Tue Dec 27 00:30:58 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:10:17 2005. but medications do not help here anyhow.What realy helped me, is a TRIP TO PRAGUE. Being in Odessa in 2002 I rode, just once on a screetcar of my childhood. And most untypical. It made made me very obsessive "hungry" of Tatra-T3. If someone could tell me "take medications" i'd EXPLICITLUY LAUGH on such a suggestion. FOOD: everyone has personal tastes and preferences. I also always prefer POtato Mesh, and Meed (mostly Chicken) served separately. Together - KASHA (i.e. Russia for food mix) When I was two years old, I was fed by some KASHA where Chicken/Beef (doesnt matter) was intermixed with potato mesh. Being two-year-old I was so obidient. Now- sorry ... such food causes .... "feedback" |
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Re: between 2002 and 2005 I was obsessive about Tatra-T3 Czech trams |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:34:46 2005, in response to between 2002 and 2005 I was obsessive about Tatra-T3 Czech trams, posted by tramrunner on Tue Dec 27 00:30:58 2005. ... such food causes .... "feedback"I love your sense of humour! Can't believe you are actually Russian, your English is good and it's (intentionally) funny. AEM7AC |
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Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic? |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:42:45 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 27 00:28:13 2005. ADHD is one such example. Medication plus behavioral therapy helps a lot but if you yank the medicine you don't do so well...ADHD is an interesting one. Notice I said earlier "the patient seeks relief"... since I am under the impression that ADHD mostly occur in children, it is hard to determine if the patient seeks relief or not. A schoolkid who has trouble focusing might just not be interested in maths or in literature; s/he might have trouble focusing only in maths and literature classes but never have any trouble focusing in "shop" class. Since the U.S. curriculum doesn't involve a shop class for elementary schoolkids, most school psychologists will probably mistake the kid for an ADHD child, and a psychiatrist who isn't paying attention might even prescribe medication. But the real solution might be to involve the child in activities that actually capture their attention, instead of artifical crap that is termed "elementary curriculum" these days. Is the patient seeking relief? For the child, s/he might not give a shit whether his behaviours are distracting for the rest of the class or not. As far as s/he is concerned, s/he is functioning perfectly adequately for his/her own purposes: that of seeking out mechanical objects to be fascinated with, and screw that math and literature BS. But from the perspective of the schoolteacher, the kid needs "treatment" with medication to calm him/her down. When I was in kindergarten, I was "diagnosed" with ADHD (recall this is in the 1980's in Asia, when this phenomenon was not well understood). We flatly refused medication (just as well we did, because those early medication was later shown to have unpleasent and long term side effects when administered on children), and today I am a functioning adult (by most people's standards) and don't have trouble focusing on transit planning, electrical engineering or psychology. I still get bored easily, but when I do, I just get up and wander around, does a cartwheel or two in the corridor, then go back to work. AEM7AC |
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Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic? |
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Posted by RonInBayside on Tue Dec 27 00:46:20 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:42:45 2005. There is some of that going on, but the fact remains that if you take a child diagnosed properly with ADHD, a stimulant such as an amphetamine salt will enable the chiuld to focus and perform better on tasks which suffer when they are distractable. C's become B's and B's become A's, or a task the child cannot sit still long enough to do at all are brought to completion. |
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If I could remember my first streetcar ride... |
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Posted by tramrunner on Tue Dec 27 00:48:58 2005, in response to Re: between 2002 and 2005 I was obsessive about Tatra-T3 Czech trams, posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 00:34:46 2005. It is just around the times when I ate that .... meet KASHA.Meet KASHA makes me feel, very sad. Such a useful food, prepared lovingly for children ... can be so ... unpleasant. USEFUL It is just about a time, when I started to ride streetcars. Here is a streetcar line, which I rode almost every day living in Odessa. I loved this line, I hated this line, I weeped over this line, I laughed over this line. Now I can ONLY LOVE THIS LINE. http://www.dgmaestro.com/OdessaVideo/PREOBRAZHENSKA/index.htm ... I have to add that my speciall attention to sound causes some MISINTERPRETATIONS and Illusions. There were some stupids, in a city, who threw firecrackers (or similar) on tracks. SOmetimes - i realized as APPARENT CASUALITY. But very often, when firecrackers popped under tram's wheels on Switches, Trolleybus crossings, etc. I THOUGHT --- IT IS A SOUND OF NORMAL WORK. Yet lately I userstood, that Its a same casuality. HOw is it "nice" to motorment, you can just pretend...... RIGHT ... as in food. Being selective with trams ... makes person slightly strange, but very precice railfan. |
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Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic? |
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Posted by Amanda on Tue Dec 27 01:06:59 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Terrapin Station on Mon Dec 26 23:02:46 2005. Brian, you're being immature. I've been pushed from the RFW because someone wanted to shoot a video from the front. It's happened. And I've seen kids pushed out of the way, also. I know Ron is at least referring to me when he said, "and so have my friends." |
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Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic? |
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Posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Dec 27 10:05:42 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by RonInBayside on Mon Dec 26 23:32:49 2005. He normally gets along with all the children in the nieghborhood, especially my immediate next door nieghbors youngest boy whose about 10. He doesn't even let other children hit him playing around of course and will attack them.As far as the autisitc 13 year old he wary of her since they don't see each other a lot, but when she see's him she seems to get happy or scared, don't know which one which causes her to run around and yell. He then get very upset barking and pulling towards her with his back hairs atanding up. I feel bad because I don't her parents to think he's a mean dog, but they understand and take her back in the house away from him. German Shepherds seem to be very suspicious of strangers and mine sometimes will even bark at them but his not vicious. I still never take any chances and always walk him with a leash. He very rarely gets along with other dogs in the nieghborhood but does like to go to Petsmart where he plays and gets along with all the dogs in the store. |
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Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic? |
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Posted by aem7ac on Tue Dec 27 10:07:52 2005, in response to Re: Are railbuffs generally autistic?, posted by Mr Mabstoa on Tue Dec 27 10:05:42 2005. German Shepherds seem to be very suspicious of strangers and mine sometimes will even bark at them but his not vicious.I guess German Shepherds are "autistic"... they don't like changes to their routine and don't read social cues very well. Ditto for the girl... (OK, that was supposed to be a joke.) |
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