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NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026

Seems good enough to handle three trailer cars. Now if they had built one with a cab at one end, they could put a two-car set on the Princeton Dinky, but no . . . (if anyone holds pipe dreams of seeing these on MARC with their MLVs, I am sympathetic, frankly)



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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Sat May 2 06:26:23 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

As I draw in lungs full of dreams, visions of these multilevel cars with Third Rail pick-up shoes fill my mind.


I'm at Ronkonkoma or is it Patchogue where third Rail power has been extended.

This pipe has some powerful shit.

Come along and dream with me!

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Sat May 2 06:46:26 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

It seems there are two (2) TEST Cars located between two NJT Cab cars.

So, I ask can LIRR's Multilevel Cab Cars be compatible with NJT Multilevel trailers or cabs cars?

Who made these TEST CARS?

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Sat May 2 11:48:42 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Sat May 2 06:26:23 2026.

They would not be able to go to GCM if built for the LIRR.

Even if they would be assigned to NYP runs, in case the railroad goes into the toilet, they could not be rerouted.

There are so few M3 consists that the above is not an issue.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Sun May 3 11:34:07 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

Gotta get down and ride those Arrow III's soon.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sun May 3 14:15:45 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Sat May 2 06:46:26 2026.

It seems there are two (2) TEST Cars located between two NJT Cab cars.

Yes. One is the power car, and one is a trailer car.

I ask can LIRR's Multilevel Cab Cars be compatible with NJT Multilevel trailers or cabs cars?

No.

Who made these Test Cars?

Alstom.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 4 05:19:40 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Sat May 2 06:26:23 2026.

visions of these multilevel cars with Third Rail pick-up shoes fill my mind

Why?

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Mon May 4 09:46:19 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 4 05:19:40 2026.

visions of these multilevel cars with Third Rail pick-up shoes fill my mind

Why?


On a count I'd like to see them on The Babylon Branch and Ronkonkoma Branch to NY Penn Station.


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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 4 10:22:45 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Mon May 4 09:46:19 2026.

LIRR is not going to buy Alstom anything. They are also not going to buy any EMUs that do not fit into the 13' 4" tunnel clearance to/from GCM mini-terminal.

Now Metro-North has been mulling something in the MLV vein on and off. But I suspect they will not go with Alstom either.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 5 07:02:32 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

The ML cars are too heavy for a specific bridge on the Princeton Branch. The solution is to lease a standing SL-V pair from NJT.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 07:12:25 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Mon May 4 10:22:45 2026.

What's the bias against Alstrom?
Is it from a past poor product?

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:30:39 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 07:12:25 2026.

I know of no bias. The MTA has been buying from Kawasaki instead; I don't know what their bidding process is, or if Alstom (not Alstrom) even sent in a bid. Either way, the only MUs that will be ordered for the LIRR are single-levels.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:40:26 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Jersey Mike on Tue May 5 07:02:32 2026.

Is that NJT's solution?

NJT has a million excuses for not upgrading the Princeton Branch. Meanwhile, they spend averages of $100 million per mile to upgrade the former CNJ in Bayonne for light rail; guess one extravagance is better than a simple upgrade. They are the same entity that canceled the Arrow III rebuild, to boot, and let ALP-44s get "destroyed" by a storm.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:46:24 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

Just looked at something Google AI threw at me: It claims that the power car generates 2.3 megawatts, which is 3,084 horsepower, about the same as the F40PH. That would mean that a single power car is enough to haul around six or seven trailer cars by itself; of course for "acceleration" purposes, the limit will be around three trailers as seen in the video.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 16:02:11 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:46:24 2026.

the power car generates 2.3 megawatts, which is 3,084 horsepower, about the same as the F40PH!



In the immortal words of George "Kingfish" Stevens,

Holt Maceral, Andy! Dat baby is humming'!




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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 16:02:52 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:46:24 2026.

the power car generates 2.3 megawatts, which is 3,084 horsepower, about the same as the F40PH!



In the immortal words of George "Kingfish" Stevens,

Holy Maceral, Andy! Dat baby is humming'!




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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 16:03:32 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:46:24 2026.

the power car generates 2.3 megawatts, which is 3,084 horsepower, about the same as the F40PH!



In the immortal words of George "Kingfish" Stevens,

Holy Maceral, Andy! Dat baby is humming'!




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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Tue May 5 16:04:03 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Tue May 5 15:46:24 2026.

the power car generates 2.3 megawatts, which is 3,084 horsepower, about the same as the F40PH!



In the immortal words of George "Kingfish" Stevens,

Holy Maceral, Andy! Dat baby is humming'!




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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 07:52:46 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and all my EMU axles powered. What is this sh¡t?

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 8 00:41:46 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 07:52:46 2026.

Good question. And sounds like a fun philosophy.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Avid reader on Fri May 8 07:06:02 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by terRAPIN station on Thu May 7 07:52:46 2026.

I like my beer cold, my TV loud, and all my EMU axles powered.
Okay with the beer cold and tv loud.
Hmmm, not so about EMU axles though.

The Lackawanna and Illinois Central had satisfactory service with a power car and trailer.

The NYCTA's 110/B had 2 power cars and 1 trailer too!


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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 8 14:01:21 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Fri May 8 07:06:02 2026.

The PRR's and LIRR's MP54s had T54s as well.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 8 17:04:54 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Avid reader on Fri May 8 07:06:02 2026.

I'll just say the old IC EMUs were the BEST commuter service I have experienced in 80+ years. (living in Oakland, NYC, Chicago, Philly, and visits to Boston, DC)

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 8 23:55:16 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri May 8 17:04:54 2026.

Do you miss the Key System at all?

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 9 02:49:39 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Fri May 8 23:55:16 2026.

it died when I was a teen in DC or in Chicago for summer, and yes I miss the streetcars in DC and Chicago. OTOH I did get to ride parts of the CTA that are gone as well as both the North and South Shore.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 9 05:43:08 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 9 02:49:39 2026.

It died? More like it was murdered. Same with East Bay Electric. Somehow BART does not have the same charm or perhaps utility.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Steve B-8AVEXP on Sat May 9 09:52:59 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

My sister used to live in Millburn. Her ex is still living there.

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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat May 9 15:41:27 2026, in response to Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 9 05:43:08 2026.

yes murdered. Southern Pacific spun off its electrics toInterurban Electric which gave up in 1941 with some trackage going to Key. Key and local streetcar East Bay Traction were bought out by National City Lines, so their demise/bustitution was no surprise.
as to the charm of BART, the routing is poorly laid out, and distance based fares i consider anathema along with refusal to run 24/7. That said , for some trips it works well.

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NJT MLV EMU testing at Morris Plains and Mount Tabor NJ, 05/27/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 28 14:54:10 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Millburn NJ, 04/29/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Sat May 2 00:30:57 2026.

Down to a three-car set now.



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Re: NJT MLV EMU testing at Morris Plains and Mount Tabor NJ, 05/27/26 (Fan Railer’s video)

Posted by Bill from Maspeth on Thu May 28 21:36:40 2026, in response to NJT MLV EMU testing at Morris Plains and Mount Tabor NJ, 05/27/26 (Fan Railer’s video), posted by Olog-hai on Thu May 28 14:54:10 2026.

I am impressed.

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