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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 3 19:53:56 2026 Big Boy is doing an excursion on the RBMN this summer. I'm so there!! |
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Posted by zac on Fri Apr 3 22:18:39 2026, in response to UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 3 19:53:56 2026. What/Where is RBMN?I saw 4014 going by at speed in Chamois, MO a few years ago. I was driving east with my daughter after flying out and meeting her in Albuquerque after she dropped off her boyfriend at the airport. I made a deal where we'd stop to watch at a point where we wouldn't have to wait too long since BigBoy was headed west. Chamois was the spot. (they pronounced it Chamoy, not Chamwah). In exchange we'd stop for BBQ in St. Louis. These are both of our videos.   |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 4 00:21:11 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by zac on Fri Apr 3 22:18:39 2026. Reading Blue Mountain Northern Railroad, based out of Port Clinton, Penna. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 4 08:30:30 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sat Apr 4 00:21:11 2026. Reading Blue Mountain Northern Railroad, based out of Port Clinton, Penna.Other location are also included:
Schedule and map of path can be found at www.up.com/about-us/history/steam/schedule John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 12:53:46 2026, in response to UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 3 19:53:56 2026. Even though UP converted it from coal-burning to oil-burning?Have fun. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 13:32:43 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 12:53:46 2026. Believe me, I'm no fan of that. To me, a REAL steamer is coal or wood fired, as getting the cinders and ashes on you is part of the experience! |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 14:04:13 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 13:32:43 2026. Nope. I already told you that the first steamers were fired with coke. Coal was a compromise choice. The point is to burn whatever fuel you have to make steam. The ATSF would never have crossed the desert if they could not have had oil-burning steamers.Are steamers fired with straw and sugar cane also not "real" steamers? How about steam cars that were all fired with (gasp) gasoline? |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 14:10:10 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 14:04:13 2026. I know that. I'm giving my OPINION |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Apr 5 14:20:50 2026, in response to UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 3 19:53:56 2026. 
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Apr 5 15:14:13 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 13:32:43 2026. Are those steamers at Strasburg coal or oil fired ?Its been awhile since I've been down there. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 18:20:09 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Apr 5 15:14:13 2026. Strasburg's #89, #90 and #475 are all coal fired. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Apr 5 21:06:56 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 18:20:09 2026. Thanks. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 6 00:42:01 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Apr 5 21:06:56 2026. Hand fired too IINM. #90 and #475 are pretty large locos to be hand fired versus stoker-fired, 2-10-0 and 4-8-0 respectively. |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 6 10:35:37 2026, in response to UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Fri Apr 3 19:53:56 2026. JFC this is going to be an absolute shitshow. 2102 has been running for years and the posse of train chasers is still insane. Consider that there will be a strong incentive to chase vs ride because so many people have ridden the route and one can get better photos chasing.I wonder if they'll round trip #4014 or have #2102 run the train back given that #4014 is going to hang out in Scranton for a bit. It might also start in Pittston and run to Mach Chunk or Nesquehoning. Major difference vs 2102 will be the oil fireing resulting in less/few cinders. |
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Posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Mon Apr 6 13:11:02 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Apr 5 12:53:46 2026. YES |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 6 15:03:15 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Jersey Mike on Mon Apr 6 10:35:37 2026. It's gonna be from Nesquehoning to Pittston. May 24, 2025 me and my son rode the open air car behind 2102. I've been on numerous excursions behind her and 425, and the railfans chasing are out of control. We doubt we're gonna get a seat on the train, so I'll go to a spot that no one knows about (at least I haven't seen anyone there before) and watch it pass |
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Posted by Dan on Mon Apr 6 17:29:33 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Sand Box John on Sat Apr 4 08:30:30 2026. Is this Philadelphia trip the closest that the Big Boy has ever gotten to NYC? |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Mon Apr 6 19:41:20 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 6 17:29:33 2026. Is this Philadelphia trip the closest that the Big Boy has ever gotten to NYC?Likely yes. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 6 20:47:09 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Dan on Mon Apr 6 17:29:33 2026. How many NYC-area railroads have clearance that would allow 4014 to fit, even with the articulated engine in front? |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 6 20:48:33 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 14:10:10 2026. Seems like an outlier opinion to me, with all due respect. Just doesn't match up with railroad practice. And they all sound alike no matter what fuel. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Tue Apr 7 05:24:26 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Mon Apr 6 20:48:33 2026. Like I said, it's only my opinion. I like the ashes, soot,cinders |
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Posted by Avid reader on Tue Apr 7 08:18:00 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by https://salaamallah.com/ on Sun Apr 5 14:20:50 2026. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 8 02:36:06 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Sun Apr 5 13:32:43 2026. Believe me, I'm no fan of that. To me, a REAL steamer is coal or wood fired, as getting the cinders and ashes on you is part of the experience!Do know why Union Pacific chose to convert Big Boy to be fired with oil? John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 8 04:18:33 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 8 02:36:06 2026. UP experimented with converting the 4000 class to oil burning when they were still in revenue service.All of the locos in the UP steam program are converted to oil firing to prevent hot cinders from igniting track fires, among other reasons. |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 8 05:54:46 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 8 02:36:06 2026. Yes I do. I understand why, doesn't mean I have to like it |
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Posted by BILLBKLYN on Wed Apr 8 05:55:41 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 8 04:18:33 2026. I know that as well |
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Posted by Jersey Mike on Wed Apr 8 06:56:52 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by BILLBKLYN on Mon Apr 6 15:03:15 2026. Unlike Amtrak. Andy will keep adding cars until he runs out so consider trying to buy some tickets if you want to go.I'll likely be trackside that day, but I will be unlikely to "chase" due to the traffic conditions. |
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Posted by Sand Box John on Wed Apr 8 08:32:14 2026, in response to Re: UP 4014, posted by Olog-hai on Wed Apr 8 04:18:33 2026. UP experimented with converting the 4000 class to oil burning when they were still in revenue service.All of the locos in the UP steam program are converted to oil firing to prevent hot cinders from igniting track fires, among other reasons. The most obvious other reason is the logistics needed to load coal in the tender and dumping of the ash from the grate in the fare box. None of the infrastructure to do that exists outside of historic / tourist operated railroads. Water can be loaded from trucks or fire hydrants, oil can loaded from trucks. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore. |
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