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[PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad
Posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025 Welcome Back ! This is part one of a two part photo essay of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad before PATH. Let's begin with an early map of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad. 1908 view of the completed tunnel with crossover near the 19th St. station. Undated view of the 9th St. station entrance. Class B car #269 posed in a tunnel showing signal apparatus. Class B cars were built in 1909 the Pressed Steel Car Co. Car #256 is preserved at the St. Louis of Museum of Transportation. Postcard of the 14th St. station with ticket choppers at the ready. Note the ornate light fixtures.William Gibbs MacAdoo spared no expense in furnishing his railtoad. Another postcard, this one hand colored of the Hoboken, NJ station.. The 33rd St. station entrance was closed for reconstruction in this photo. Does this have anything to do with relocating the original 33rd St. station for construction of the IND subway ? (undated photo) This should be the H&M Railroad's "Ladies only" Car. The following three scans are covers for the H&M Railroad timetables dated July 1955. A Pennsylvania Railroad MP-38 train is at Hudson Terminal awaiting the trip to Newark, NJ. The cars #1901-#1960 were built by the Pressed Steel Car Co. in 1911 for the extension to Newark, NJ The MP-38s were equipped with cab signaling as all H&M equipment did not. Jersey City, NJ just east of Journal Square with laid up MP-38s and a Pennsylvania Railroad electrified freight train. Are these PRR electric engines P-5s ? (undated photo) Another Jersey City view of laid up MP-38s. (undated photo) MP-38 train just west of Journal Square with the Merrion Ave. grade crossing shown. That grade crossing was closed years ago. (undated photo). MP-38s on the Hackensack River bridge. (undated photo) At the Harrison, NJ station. (undated photo) A color photo of MP-38s leaving Newark, NJ station. Since the MP-38s were PRR ,their signature Tuscan red livery and porthole cab windows are evident. (undated photo) For the last photo of the show is the H&M Henderson St. yard in 1947. This yard was closed when PATH relocated to the Jersey meadows. Next week, more H&M photos as part two. To be followed by a two part show of PATH after the H&M Railroad. Be prepared to be on both sides of the Hudson River for a few weeks. Thanks for viewing.
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Posted by terRAPIN station* on Sun Oct 19 12:19:49 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Excellent!!! So which were better, Class Bs or MP-38s?
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Posted by W.B.* on Sun Oct 19 13:02:08 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* As to the photo of the 33d Street station being "temporarily closed": That would have been taken some time in 1939, after the old 33d Street terminal was demolished and the new terminus (actually lasting between 30th and 32d Streets) was being built parallel and simultaneous to that of the IND Sixth Avenue subway. That, plus the total absence of the Sixth Avenue el. The logo of Bond Clothes then at 33d and Broadway is another key. Ah, and yes. When H&M indeed meant Hudson & Manhattan and NOT the clothing chain around today (which, ironically, has stores near to PATH termini: at 34th and Broadway, and along Church Street at the current World Trade Center complex).
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Posted by W.B.* on Sun Oct 19 13:02:08 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* As to the photo of the 33d Street station being "temporarily closed": That would have been taken some time in 1939, after the old 33d Street terminal was demolished and the new terminus (actually lasting between 30th and 32d Streets) was being built parallel and simultaneous to that of the IND Sixth Avenue subway. That, plus the total absence of the Sixth Avenue el. The logo of Bond Clothes then at 33d and Broadway is another key. Ah, and yes. When H&M indeed meant Hudson & Manhattan and NOT the clothing chain around today (which, ironically, has stores near to PATH termini: at 34th and Broadway, and along Church Street at the current World Trade Center complex).
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Oct 19 13:23:31 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Very nice!
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Posted by Q65A* on Sun Oct 19 14:45:30 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Awesome pix; thanks for sharing!
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Posted by Italianstallion* on Sun Oct 19 15:00:47 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Headways 3 minutes in rush hours and 5 minutes rest of the day. WOW!
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special* on Sun Oct 19 15:25:32 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* I love how in the ye olden times, they can just put in a non-descript entrance to an underground city and squeeze things wherever (before zoning ruined America). This is in such contrast to China for example where these things have to be a spectacle.
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Posted by murray1575* on Sun Oct 19 15:30:04 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* I wonder if anyone has a picture of the MP-38 which mounted the platform at Exchange Place after derailing some time in the 1940s. Apparently an H&M motorman was operating the train while under the influence of alcohol and proceeded through the sharp turnout entering the station going towards Hudson Terminal at a high speed. If I remember correctly from accounts of the wreck he was prosecuted and imprisoned.
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Posted by X-Astorian* on Sun Oct 19 15:56:43 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Sun Oct 19 15:30:04 2025.* Still haven't learned to do a hyperlink but here's an easy-to-find article on the 1942 crash. https://fansinaflashbulb.wordpress.com/2019/05/01/as-the-train-came-into-the-station-it-began-lurching-from-side-to-side-then-it-stopped-lights-went-out/
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Posted by W.B.* on Sun Oct 19 17:34:53 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by X-Astorian on Sun Oct 19 15:56:43 2025.* I think I may help . . . 1942 H&M Crash
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:27:29 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Sun Oct 19 15:30:04 2025.* I wonder if anyone has a picture of the MP-38 which mounted the platform at Exchange Place after derailing some time in the 1940s.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:33:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by terRAPIN station on Sun Oct 19 12:19:49 2025.* Excellent!!! So which were better, Class Bs or MP-38s? Thanks, I don't really know for sure. Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:34:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by W.B. on Sun Oct 19 13:02:08 2025.* As to the photo of the 33d Street station being "temporarily closed": That would have been taken some time in 1939, after the old 33d Street terminal was demolished and the new terminus (actually lasting between 30th and 32d Streets) was being built parallel and simultaneous to that of the IND Sixth Avenue subway. That, plus the total absence of the Sixth Avenue el. The logo of Bond Clothes then at 33d and Broadway is another key. Good detective works. Thank you. Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:36:00 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Italianstallion on Sun Oct 19 15:00:47 2025.* Headways 3 minutes in rush hours and 5 minutes rest of the day. WOW! That's called rapid transit. Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:36:37 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Oct 19 13:23:31 2025.* Very nice! Thank you. Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Oct 19 18:37:10 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Q65A on Sun Oct 19 14:45:30 2025.* Awesome pix; thanks for sharing! You're welcome. Bill M.
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Posted by Sand Box John* on Sun Oct 19 19:49:28 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Jersey City, NJ just east of Journal Square with laid up MP-38s and a Pennsylvania Railroad electrified freight train. Are these PRR electric engines P-5s ? (undated photo) Yes. John in the sand box of Maryland's eastern shore.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Sun Oct 19 20:31:26 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Thanks. BTW, Wikipedia says that the Harrison station on that map was on the corner of Fourth and NJRR Avenue, on an elevated RR above the Center Street Branch; never saw a photo of that station.
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Posted by Wallyhorse* on Mon Oct 20 01:20:41 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* I wonder what they while they were building the still-current high-rise above the 9th Street station since I believe that was and still is the only entrance to that stop.
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Posted by Wallyhorse* on Mon Oct 20 01:28:54 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 18:27:29 2025.* That was bad!
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Mon Oct 20 06:48:34 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Wallyhorse on Mon Oct 20 01:28:54 2025.* That was bad! I'd like to know how they removed those cars from a confined space. Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Mon Oct 20 06:49:39 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Sand Box John on Sun Oct 19 19:49:28 2025.* Thank you John. The P-5A resembled an early GG-1 if I'm correct. Bill M./
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Posted by BMT Standard* on Mon Oct 20 15:24:19 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 20 06:49:39 2025.* Of the 90 P5A's, only the last 28 had the steeple cab design that looked like the GG1. The earlier ones were box cabs.
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Oct 20 15:31:57 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Oct 20 15:24:19 2025.* The onaes with the pseudo GG-1 bodies were referred to as P-5A Modified.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Mon Oct 20 18:29:25 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by BMT Standard on Mon Oct 20 15:24:19 2025.* Thank you for clearing that up.
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Posted by Chris R16/R2730* on Tue Oct 21 08:34:58 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* Did H and M trains actually run on the same tracks as PRR trains to Exchange Place? Great shots.
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Tue Oct 21 13:55:05 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Chris R16/R2730 on Tue Oct 21 08:34:58 2025.* Yes. That included steam and diesel trains between Exchange Place and what is now the "Coast Line", not just MP54s. The overhead wires on the H&M tracks were indeed in heavy use at one time. If the PRR didn't close Exchange Place Terminal, it may have eventually transpired that Arrows would have stopped at Journal Square en route there.
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[PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad
Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Oct 19 10:03:00 2025.* This was to be posted last week, but I was sidetracked. Welcome to part two of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad. In this part I'll be showcasing images of the last years of the H&M Since the H&M was in bad straits financially, the purchase of fifty Class K / MP-52 cars would hopefully polish their image. Below is a scan of a notice placed throughout the system hopefully foretelling of better days ahead. On July 9, 1958 a ribbon cutting ceremony at the Newark P.R.R. station with hope for the future. The cars pictured are PRR MP-52's. They would be air conditioned but for some unknown reason opted for interior incandescent lighting. Interior view of a Class K / MP-52 car in the mid 1970's. The next three photos are at the Exchange Place station in 1959 Enroute to Newark, NJ is a three car consist of MP-52 cars with a Class K car in the middle. The Class K cars did not have PRR cab signaling, so this is the only way they could operate. Entering the Journal Square station are either Class K or MP-52 cars. I can't make out any PRR "keystone" symbol on the front storm door. (undated photo) Zooming across the Jersey Meadows on a high speed run till this day is a joy. (undated photo) Returning from Newark at the Merrion Ave grade crossing. (undated photo) Newark, NJ on September 5, 1959. I don't know why there wasn't an MP-52 on the operating end. Class B car #250 at the Henderson St. yard in February of 1958 Class G #475 entering Journal Square station. (undated photo) Hudson Terminal - New York City (undated photo) Class J car #503 survives today and on occasion runs out to Short Beach at the Shoreline Trolley Museum in East Haven, CT. A huge shout out to Alan Zelazo who saved this car and worked tirelessly restoring this gem. (Photo date - August 1980) And for the final photo of the show is a rather disheveled building that I was told was the entrance to the H&M Erie (now PATH Pavonia) station. The vast land behind the building was the old Erie Railroad terminal and yard. This scene has changed dramatically with high rise condos. Next week, Entering the era of P.A.T.H.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Nov 2 09:17:26 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* Nice! I dig the interior shot. When was the last photo taken?
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Nov 2 09:32:52 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* Bill: Thank you for this excellent collection of photos. I believe that if you enter the subway at 14th Street and Sixth Avenue you will still see a tiled sign for the H&M. The MP-51's where Pennsylvania Railroad cars equipped with cab signals. (1200-1229). The Class K's were H&M cars without cab signals. Both type were used in the service to Newark. However the MP-51's always had to be on the ends of the train. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Nov 2 11:30:20 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Catfish 44 on Sun Nov 2 09:17:26 2025.* Nice! I dig the interior shot. When was the last photo taken? April 1983 Bill M.
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train* on Sun Nov 2 14:30:06 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* Big thank you for the pix.
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Posted by Catfish 44* on Sun Nov 2 15:20:00 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 11:30:20 2025.* 👍
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Nov 2 16:05:12 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Nov 2 09:32:52 2025.* However the MP-51's always had to be on the ends of the train. Are they MP-51's or MP-52's ? The Wikipedia PATH article states they are MP-52's Another thing about the MP-38's. H&M had a Class D car type built in 1911 by Pressed steel Car Co and retired in 1958 when the Class K's came in. They were 36 cars numbered #701 - #736 but were painted red. I've never seen any photos of them. Did they look like the MP-38's ? They were made to run with the MP-38's much like the MP-51's and Class K car arrangement. All the H&M cars were painted black, hence the nickname "black cars". That makes the MP-38's and class D cars the red cars. Bill M.
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Posted by murray1575* on Sun Nov 2 17:09:22 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* If I remember correctly for some years the Pavonia station (now Newport) was not open on weekends and trains did not stop there. Today it serves a large shopping center as well as several office buildings and the area has been built up. It is now open 24/7.
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Posted by murray1575* on Sun Nov 2 17:21:43 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* Although the Class K/MP-52 cars were originally built to replace older cars on the Newark-Hudson Terminal run, in the 1970s they seemed to be used on the Hoboken-WTC run. I would frequently ride them to Exchange Place to reach job sites in that area. In those days there were only a couple of office buildings adjacent to that station but today it is a different story as the area has been fully developed.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Nov 2 18:11:33 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Sun Nov 2 17:09:22 2025.* If I remember correctly for some years the Pavonia station (now Newport) was not open on weekends and trains did not stop there. Is that after the Erie Railroad vacated and merged with the Lackawanna RR ? Bill M.
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Posted by Bill Newkirk* on Sun Nov 2 18:13:27 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Sun Nov 2 17:21:43 2025.* Although the Class K/MP-52 cars were originally built to replace older cars on the Newark-Hudson Terminal run, in the 1970s they seemed to be used on the Hoboken-WTC run. Did the Class K/MP-51's ever run to 33rd St ? Bill M.
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Posted by Bill from Maspeth* on Sun Nov 2 18:28:00 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* FABULOUS!
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Nov 2 18:49:54 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 16:05:12 2025.* Bill: There seems to be some discrepancy in the designation of the PRR cars. The following sources say MPR-51: Hudson & Manhattan RR, Morning Sun Books 2012, Railway Passenger Car Annual 1975, PATH Two Decades of Progress, ERA Bulletin 1982. The following source says MP-52: Electric Railroads Magazine 1959, Rail Under The Hudson 2002. Does anyone have access to a direct PRR source? Another thing about the MP-38's. H&M had a Class D car type built in 1911 by Pressed steel Car Co and retired in 1958 when the Class K's came in. They were 36 cars numbered #701 - #736 but were painted red. I've never seen any photos of them. Did they look like the MP-38's ? They were made to run with the MP-38's much like the MP-51's and Class K car arrangement. The Class D's were virtually identical to the MP-38's. They were painted red though in later years this was covered by steel dust so they looked almost black. There is a photo of them on page 24 of the Hudson & Manhattan Railroad Book I mentioned above. E-mail me. I can send you some information about the arly PATH cars. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Nov 2 18:55:39 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 18:11:33 2025.* Is that after the Erie Railroad vacated and merged with the Lackawanna RR ? It must have been. I have a 1966 PATH Timetable that list Pavonia Avenue station closed on nights and weekends. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by irtredbirdr33* on Sun Nov 2 18:58:40 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 18:13:27 2025.* Did the Class K/MP-51's ever run to 33rd St ? I rode those cars on the 33-JSQ Line in 1985 and 1986. Larry, RedbirdR33
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim* on Sun Nov 2 19:04:01 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Mon Oct 20 06:48:34 2025.* Probably cut them up & removed them piece by piece.
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Posted by Bill West* on Sun Nov 2 22:14:43 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by irtredbirdr33 on Sun Nov 2 18:49:54 2025.* Rob's Pennsy has official PRR diagrams. They only list MP51, the floorplans give the car numbers. Bill
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Posted by randyo* on Mon Nov 3 02:21:46 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Sun Nov 2 17:21:43 2025.* As i recall it when the Aldene plan was implemented in the mid 1960s (I’m not sure of the exact year), Cab signaling was no longer required on Newark trains, but it seems that after the last of the black cars were removed from service, Newark service was provided by PA-1s and the Ks and MP-51s were relegated to the Journal Sq and Hoboken services. In the mid 1960s, I used to ride the H & M and befriended some of the M/M (engineers) and trainmen and the Ks were referred to alternately as the “Grays” and the “Speed cars."
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Posted by Olog-hai* on Mon Nov 3 08:19:35 2025, in response to [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by Bill Newkirk on Sun Nov 2 08:56:30 2025.* Wow, no K-cars shown at Journal Square? Bull, ignorance, abuse, shame.
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Posted by murray1575* on Mon Nov 3 22:04:57 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by randyo on Mon Nov 3 02:21:46 2025.* If I remember correctly the K cars sounded a lot like contemporary IRT cars. They had working air conditioning predating its introduction in the New York City subway system by about eight years.
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Posted by randyo* on Tue Nov 4 03:18:09 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by murray1575 on Mon Nov 3 22:04:57 2025.* The Ks were contemporaries of the IRT R-22s so they were basically an R-22 with the amenities required to meet federal regulations.
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Posted by murray1575* on Tue Nov 4 05:38:43 2025, in response to Re: [PHOTOS] PART TWO: The Hudson & Manhattan Railroad, posted by randyo on Tue Nov 4 03:18:09 2025.* They also had inside braced trucks instead of the standard SMEE trucks used on New York subway cars.
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