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Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 08:47:03 2025 link |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 09:13:07 2025, in response to Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 08:47:03 2025. Like many municipalities, NYC has found a simple solution for high crime rates. Simply downgrade reported crimes. Make felonies a misdemeanor and turn misdemeanors into civil violations. Suddenly you have crime statistics showing crime going down. For example, a homeless man throws a person onto the tracks. Instead of assault or attempted murder upu charge him with littering or delaying.public transit. Problem solved. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 11 13:42:12 2025, in response to Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 08:47:03 2025. More fake news, out of a fake governor. |
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Posted by Italianstallion on Thu Sep 11 14:54:33 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 11 13:42:12 2025. How is she fake? Duly elected by the people of New York. |
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Posted by Orange Blossom Special on Thu Sep 11 14:57:53 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 11 13:42:12 2025. She might be correct.It is hard to victimize a victim that does not exist. If people avoid something, it is not a statistic, and you don't get murdered. Put it this way, where do people think White Flight comes from? Move out of the high crime area, go into a walled community, then you cannot be robbed in that precint anymore. It takes a certain IQ to see where political stat's fail. |
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Posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 11 15:24:42 2025, in response to Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 08:47:03 2025. I'm sure certain people are not happy with this news. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Thu Sep 11 17:29:58 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Wallyhorse on Thu Sep 11 15:24:42 2025. What news? |
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Posted by Handbrake on Thu Sep 11 19:23:36 2025, in response to Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 08:47:03 2025. Kathy does have pretty blue eyes.... |
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Posted by LuchAAA on Thu Sep 11 19:46:37 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Handbrake on Thu Sep 11 19:23:36 2025. That's for the Off-Topic board. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 11 21:07:44 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 09:13:07 2025. While this smacks of schedule padding tofake on time performance goals, do you have any actual records showingthese maneuvers? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 23:59:09 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Thu Sep 11 21:07:44 2025. Certainly, just as you have proof of schedule padding. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 12 00:36:18 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 23:59:09 2025. I rely on commentary on this board from avowed employees of MTA. As to other scheduled rail services, I can state that Amtrak on most non NEC routes is much slower end to end than either the host RR when they operated trains or Amtrak 3 decades and more ago. You are presumably aware that the host RRs have final say on scheduling and can earn bonuses for OTP. |
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Posted by randyo on Fri Sep 12 03:26:39 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 23:59:09 2025. I wouldn’t call it “schedule padding.” Increasing the running time to more realistic values is merely allowing the proper amount of running time instead of publishing artificially fast running times and advertising how quickly you can get from one point to another. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 05:46:16 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 12 03:26:39 2025. What do you mean by "more realistic values"? Why is it "realistic" to slow down average speed from past average speeds?When I first moved to Elizabeth NJ in the early 1980s, the average speed of NJT trains on the NEC was 47 mph. Now it's 10 mph slower. Nothing "realistic" about that other than the fact that service has degraded under government control. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 05:47:45 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 12 00:36:18 2025. Host roads? Nope; that has to do with government regulations. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 05:48:27 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Handbrake on Thu Sep 11 19:23:36 2025. She's all yours, heh. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Sep 12 07:35:38 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 12 03:26:39 2025. "Schedule padding" was not my terminology. I just repeated it in my response to the prior poster. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Sep 12 07:36:43 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Handbrake on Thu Sep 11 19:23:36 2025. And the overbite of a hamster |
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Posted by Stephen Bauman on Fri Sep 12 07:37:05 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by randyo on Fri Sep 12 03:26:39 2025. I wouldn’t call it “schedule padding.” Increasing the running time to more realistic values is merely allowing the proper amount of running time instead of publishing artificially fast running times and advertising how quickly you can get from one point to another.There are numerous instances of schedule padding for the NYC subways. As to running time being more "realistic", check the end-to-end on time performance enjoyed by our grandfathers. These figures were placed in the annual reports. The figures for the 3 operating divisions for 1948 were: IRT - 86.30%; BMT - 98.77%; IND - 99.24%. The end-to-end running times were shorter and headways shorter. Many of the more realistic values are the result of switching conflicts built into the schedules. |
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Posted by italianguyinsi on Fri Sep 12 09:53:04 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by TRAIN DUDE on Thu Sep 11 09:13:07 2025. Spot on, Train Dude.Call a shooting a assault. Call an assault a minor infraction. We know the truth. |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Sep 12 09:55:41 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by italianguyinsi on Fri Sep 12 09:53:04 2025. Thank you |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 12 14:40:16 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Fri Sep 12 00:36:18 2025. Every mode of transportation engages in schedule padding, from the airlines, Greyhounds to local and long distance trains. When I was at Metro North, schedule padding was SOP when printing up the public timetables. A little example, from GCT to 125, the older schedules called for it to take 10 minutes. Today, with better signaling and track conditions, the timetable now calls for 11 minutes. If they get to 125 early they still have to wait for timetable departure time, so what's the point? |
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Posted by TRAIN DUDE on Fri Sep 12 15:54:17 2025, in response to Re: Gov Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Fri Sep 12 14:40:16 2025. It was always axiomatic that scheduled were for the company so theybwould know wherevtheir crews and equipment are. |
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Posted by randyo on Sat Sep 13 03:41:17 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 05:46:16 2025. The so called “average” speeds were not the actual speeds that trains were going, but the speeds upper management wanted the public to believe they were. Years ago I did a speed check on the 2 and 3 between Nevins St and Franklin Ave. most of the trains took between 7 and 7 1/2 min between those points. One train happened to make it in 6 min due to what was actually improper operation by the train crew. The director of schedules at the time saw the one train that made it by operating recklessly and despite the fact that the higher speed was the correct one, insisted on making the published schedule speed the lower number. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 13 21:55:31 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Olog-hai on Fri Sep 12 05:47:45 2025. Wrong. When Amtrak or any of the public or private entities negotiate to operate a train on track owned by a private sector RR, the schedules are ultimately decided by the RR companies for their cinvenience. |
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Posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 03:55:37 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sat Sep 13 21:55:31 2025. That was because the Govt didn’t set up the tk sharing arrangements to give Amtrak priority. |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sun Sep 14 12:12:54 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 03:55:37 2025. Passenger rail is something of a luxury; anywhere the train goes, a bus can go and generally cheaper. Riding a bus it typically not great fun nor scenic, but you get there.Freight rail is a necessity; it's by far the most efficient over-land transport and it can haul 200 truckloads per train (more with the 2-mile mega-trains). I think we'd be better off it rail could handle medium-haul and even 2-300 mile trips with some sorta fast-intermode terminal at each end, but right now it's not set up for that and RRs don't want that business. Heck, I'd like to see rail spurs to anything that takes more than, say, 8 trailers per day, but we've been going in the opposite direction of that for 50 years and I don't think the world will stop and turn because I tell it to. Outside of commuter rail and the NEC, freight is what US rails work for. They do that job well, let's not break the cake to add a little frosting. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 14 12:54:20 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by steamdriven on Sun Sep 14 12:12:54 2025. What I don't understand is why haven't regional intermodal centers grown. So if you have a truckload from point A to point B, a truck would drive it typically an hour or two at most to an intermodal center, then rail would take it most of the rest of the way, with a truck then taking it the last hour or two. |
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Posted by Fisk Ave Jim on Sun Sep 14 13:04:58 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by AlM on Sun Sep 14 12:54:20 2025. Thats what they used to do with NY Times newsprint deliveries. CN cars would come down the West Side line to the 33d St west side platform, unload and trucks would take those huge spools to the printing plant.They also did that at the Hunts Point market. Reefer carloads would bring in produce from the west coast to the market then trucks would take the loads from there to wherever. I don't know what goes on at Hunts Pt now, but that's how it was done then. |
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Posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 14 13:43:14 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by randyo on Sun Sep 14 03:55:37 2025. Why does the government have to have its nose in everything with respect to passenger rail? |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 14 14:44:16 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by steamdriven on Sun Sep 14 12:12:54 2025. You may consider passenger rail a luxury, i consider it a preferable mode of travel. I will go from Oakland to San luis Obispo for Thanksgiving with the greater family as most years. Easy bus transit from home to a choice of Amtrak Stations. No airport stupidity, far more comfortable seats and far nicer than a bus getting stuck in rraffic. So my vote goes for federal subsidy for rail RRs were originally chartered for the 'public necessity and convenience'. |
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Posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 14 14:59:33 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Olog-hai on Sun Sep 14 13:43:14 2025. because NO stockholder driven enterprise can ever be trusted to operate in the public interest, or for that matter for the safety of of the actual workers or customers.Without "government meddling" we would still have tobacco marketed to children and denial of detrimental health effects and leaded gasoline and paint. Back to rivet countiong! |
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Posted by steamdriven on Sun Sep 14 17:38:50 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by Jackson Park B Train on Sun Sep 14 14:59:33 2025. "because NO stockholder driven enterprise can ever be trusted to operate in the public interest"Oddly enough, Adam Smith agrees with you. His free marketplace was constrained by moral written into laws, it wasn't a freestanding ideology and, a key bit, he didn't expect it to usher in a new age which created a new human nature. What he did grok is that exactly those private corporations, whether stockholder owned (and this with liability shuffled onto an abstract thing rather than a person) or real person directly owned were the engines that could pull an entire nation out of scarcity. Society has to provide the tracks, or the engine will simply go with no regard to anything but motion. Adam Smith was right for 17th century England, because they had a social contract, the concept and to some extent the practice of impartial laws, smallholder rights and so forth. Paste the same thing onto an amoral society and the results are probably going to be interesting. Interesting, but not pleasant. |
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Posted by AlM on Sun Sep 14 18:09:42 2025, in response to Re: “Gov.” Hochul announces NYC subway crime reaches record lows, posted by steamdriven on Sun Sep 14 17:38:50 2025. Adam Smith was right for 17th century England, because they had a social contract, the concept and to some extent the practice of impartial laws, smallholder rights and so forth. Yeah, sure. |
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